Swopa wisely explains why the Baker Commission doesn’t matter. Go read it. Long story short, the Shiites are not alarmed at the prospect of an all-out civil war that they think they can win. They won’t compromise.
The situation in Iraq is “even worse than we thought,” with key Iraqi leaders showing no willingness to compromise to avoid increasing violence, said Leon Panetta, a member of the high-powered advisory group that will recommend new options for the war.
. . . Private assessments by government officials are much more grim than what is said in public, Panetta said, “and we left some of those sessions shaking our heads over how bad it is in Iraq.”
U.S. forces can’t control sectarian violence and powerful militias. One of the most disturbing findings, Panetta said, is that many Shiite religious leaders who are a big part of the government have no interest in deals or compromises with Sunnis and other groups, and are “playing for time because they say it’s their show.”
The reality that is Iraq is a bitter pill for everyone involved. The best argument for a continued American and British presence there has now become, ironically, a humanitarian argument. We’re there, essentially, to protect the Sunnis from a slaughter. It’s not a whole lot different from the reason why we intervened in Kosovo, and the same considerations lead people to criticize us for not getting involved in Rwanda or the Sudan.
Of course, it is a whole lot more complicated than that. The President recently pointed out that if we leave Iraq we could be leaving the oil in the hands of terrorists. That actually isn’t very likely. It’s more likely that we will leave it in the hands of Kurds and Arab Shi’ites, who may or may not agree to share the proceeds or divide them equitably. The Sunni Arabs will not accept this, and it’s quite possible the Turks will not either. As The Clash asked:
¿Me debo ir o quedarme?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
An’ if I stay it will be double
We really need to consider the difference between our national security and certain American businessmen’s interests in Iraq’s natural resources. These two issues have some relation to each other, but they are not synonymous. Depending on details, they may even be mutually exclusive. Our national security should not be a racket. Our boys and girls should not be fighting a war to keep China from developing some Middle Eastern oilwells. It’s not worth it. And that is really all that is left to fight for over there.
I’m interested to see what the Baker commission recommends. They met with the President today. Retreat with a happy face should be their goal. Maybe one day soon we’ll learn that Charlie Don’t Surf and start minding our manners. In the meantime, we can’t continue to arm and train a government that is only gathering strength so that they can commit genocide on the religious minorities in their country. It’s time to declare bankruptcy and put a ‘for sale’ sign on the Pottery Barn. Beijing will be calling.
Heckuva job.
Ok…I certainly agree with your analysis Booman but the big question still remains. How do we pull out completely? Over time or all at once?
Well, my friends, there you have it. It took daddy’s good friend to tell jr. that we are needing to go now. That is something we needed to do over a year ago. Actually, if jr had been listening to the American public and the world, we would not have stepped one boot in that country. But now that we have, it is now time to go..and to answer Lezzy’s question, I think we need to leave all at once. I contend that if we leave some troops there, they are sitting ducks. We will be sending in many body bags and a delegation to bring back the bodies of those troops.
what a disaster.
If Bush Cheney were CEO’s of a corporation, they would have been not only fired by the board, but would have been subject to criminal negligence, tried and prosecuted and and forced to pay restitution and serve a very long time in prison.
And yet there they are, sitting in the White House as though they are credible having to have some commision appointed by daddy to state the obvious: “you’re a failure, son, you fucked up big time”
what a disaster.
Our troops are little more than just another militia in Iraq. We created vast vacuums in Iraq by disbanding the military, purging Baathists, and making sure that any “reconstruction” (wink wink, nod nod) never really got started. We didn’t have enough troops and the puppet government we set up has no real power or infrastructure to govern, so the power vacuums were filled by militias. I’ve been reading how the Shiites are just biding their time to set up their Islamic government and they have absolutely no intent to form a secular inclusive government. Militias rule the streets, not American soldiers. Nothing in Iraq is cut and dry. They may as well send over self stick targets for our men and women to stick on their chests.
I’m not holding my breath for the Iraq Study Group to supply anything more than political cover for Dubya. There aren’t any Middle Eastern experts in that group. Oh, they’re using think tanks to fill in the blanks? Oh please. Excuse me, but what in hell do people like Sandra Day O’Connor know about Iraq? Smoke and mirrors.
I think you are right, BooMan. I sure don’t know how we could get out, but I do think that the McLieberman plan of sending MORE troops in is way too late. Speaking of McLieberman, have you ever seen two bigger clowns?
as soon as I saw the title, I thought to myself “wow, the Clash is having a reunion tour in Iraq” (joking).
Then I see the quote from their song and I got a chuckle…..