My husband wants to slip him a pardon, or a confession, or a bill to sign. Then when the signing went on and on he started telling him to get off the screen, the pineapple has been cut man.
Just listening (not watching, so I don’t know how those in the chamber reacted which is HUGE) but I give the speech itself a B.
That’s a B for effectiveness in political machination and propaganda. Not for content, obviously. And I don’t know if political machinations and fear/hate mongering are enough anymore.
from the live-blog and the spouse’s comments, I’d give it an I for Incomplete, solely for not mentioning the need to rebuild the Gulf Coast post-Katrina.
Tweety just asked Tom Brokaw if the speech means that Pelosi (and Reid, I would assume) would have to bend and meet the Dems halfway…asshole (Tweety, not Brokaw)…
Actually, I thought he was much better than he usually is. I could stand to listen to him. The news folks all are remarking on how somber the speech was. Hell, he should be somber. Look at how many people’s deaths he has on his conscience.
This is the Webb response. Just grabbed it from dKos. Tuesday, January 23, 2007 Democratic Response of Senator Jim Webb To the President’s State of the Union Address Good evening. I’m Senator Jim Webb, from Virginia, where this year we will celebrate the 400th anniversary of the settlement of Jamestown – an event that marked the first step in the long journey that has made us the greatest and most prosperous nation on earth. It would not be possible in this short amount of time to actually rebut the President’s… Read more »
Speaking of his family’s tradition of serving in the military. Talking about what the country’s leaders owe the country’s defenders, nailing Bush now for starting the Iraq War and nailing him really really hard.
Holy Shit! Either this President figures out how to end the Iraq War and they’ll agree with him and support him or they will show him the way. And that’s it and it’s all done. Whew!
by Senator Webb…I liked the reference to his father’s service, an oblique reference to the sacrifice being made by so many families as their fathers (and mothers) head off for their umpteenth tour of duty overseas…
Tonight we are calling on this President to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way.
I’d just like to suggest that he change that last word from “way” to “door.”
Am I the only one who is totally annoyed with Brian Williams?
If the man wrote a haiku, the syllabic patter would be like 2-3-2. He stretches words out WAY too long and tries to make incredibly mundane things sound exciting and urgent.
KO is sitting there thinking “oh my god, these windbags are full of themselves….how can I get out of here, fast!” I can he’s trying to look very serious….
Jackson vs. the Bank of the US! CEO salaries! TR, the GOP Trustbuster, warning against corporate influence! Eisenhower ending the Korean War! Laying the blame for Iraq right at Bush’s blood-stained feet! Do the right thing (for once) Mr. Prez and we will follow you. If not, we’ll do it ourselves. I don’t think I’ve used five exclamation points since I wrote my first love letter as a smitten seventh-grader. It’s a good day to be a Democrat. If a candidate doesn’t step up to Webb’s standard, I’m writing him in. Pick on the Southern boy, all you want folks.… Read more »
I’m really interested to see how ‘conservative’ the Conservative Democrat® Webb really is. He came out firing on all cylinders with a populist message after he was elected, and that surprised and pleased me.
He’s been mislabeled as a conservative. He has always been a old-line, anti-corporate power, populist. He understands the history of the country, especially the South, in a profound way. He knows about and identifies with the poor against the rich. “Conservative” once meant “anti-corporate.” Bush as ended that distinction, once and for all.
I completely agree. That’s why I put the ‘registered trademark’ next to that phrase 🙂
I think he’s taken a lot of flak for being Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, but at least so far, he’s hit the right points, and I think and hope he will continue to do so.
That’s a good point about the Reagan service. I wish people would realize that a military man serves when asked. I am not familiar with his service, but I doubt he shilled for Reagan.
In 1987, he served as Secretary of the Navy, becoming the first Naval Academy graduate to serve in the military before serving as the civilian head of the Navy. As Navy Secretary, Webb pushed the appointment of Alfred M. Gray, Jr. as Commandant of the Marine Corps, hoping that Gray could reshape the Corps into the elite unit it once was.[6] Webb resigned in 1988 after refusing to agree to reduce the size of the Navy.
I admit I was surprised he mentioned it. I wasn’t expecting it.
It is a big deal, in the same way that Herm Edwards and Lovie Smith being the 2 first African American coaches to make the Superbowl is a big deal : Great, but it will be a much more important milestone when it is no longer noteworthy.
I’ve been “writing a post” in my head all day, when Speaker Pelosi wore a subtle beige suit with cream blouse when she gaveled the House to order. Instead, she wore pale green tonight, which I love. I was hoping to see if Minnesota’s far-right Michele Bachmann was still in her “angelic” winter white, while Stephanie Tubb Jones was in dramatic black with large silver circles that outlined the front of her dress. Alas, I saw neither of the two latter ladies.
breathlessly reported that Nancy spilled chocolate on her earlier outfit, hence the change of clothes (this according to Think Progress; my channel changer won’t even stop on the FAUX News Channel)…
Aha, that’s a good reason! Makes her my kind of woman. Keith was breathless himself, when he showed a clip last night of Rep Bachmann clutching Bush, calling her the Katharine Harris of Minnesota. Bachmann was still in white; I suspect she meant to stand out in the crowd.
Maybe the MSM should worry more about stepford Laura’s dress bought by taxpayers…
Also, an idiotic scroll seen on MSNBC was something about Cheney looking “dapper.”
OMG. The whole thing was ridiculous. The best part of the evening was the loudest applause Pelosi received.
about Pelosi’s outfit (enough already with the fashionista crap on Nancy! Let her wear what she wants!) … the crawl that pissed me off the most was: “Dennis Kucinich, Democrat and Vegan of Ohio….” Why not: “Dick Cheney, man who shot friend in the face” or “Huckleberry Graham, carnivore … ” or “GWB, murderer of multitudes of Iraqis and sacrificer of young American troops?” Effin ridiculous… enough already with damning Dennis K for being a Vegan! The man has more integrity than a boatload of Rethugs could hope for in their rapturistic paradise! Disclosure: Though I worked hard for Dennis… Read more »
Webb totally ROCKED! I wasn’t sure about him at first, but I sure am a huge fan of his now (well, as of his WSJ op-ed a while back, that cinched it for me). Didn’t hurt at all that he knocked off Macaca Allen either! Very wise choice for the Dems to pick him for giving the response. Gone are the days of those snooze-a-thons by Byrd back in the bad old Reagan days… at least I Hope!
One Civil War Is Enough
I hope that’s a big part of the response.
a onehanded applause…he’s a helluva lot more charitable than I…
slip him a subpoena to sign and acknowledge while he’s out there gladhanding??? 😉
My husband wants to slip him a pardon, or a confession, or a bill to sign. Then when the signing went on and on he started telling him to get off the screen, the pineapple has been cut man.
Just listening (not watching, so I don’t know how those in the chamber reacted which is HUGE) but I give the speech itself a B.
That’s a B for effectiveness in political machination and propaganda. Not for content, obviously. And I don’t know if political machinations and fear/hate mongering are enough anymore.
from the live-blog and the spouse’s comments, I’d give it an I for Incomplete, solely for not mentioning the need to rebuild the Gulf Coast post-Katrina.
Tweety just asked Tom Brokaw if the speech means that Pelosi (and Reid, I would assume) would have to bend and meet the Dems halfway…asshole (Tweety, not Brokaw)…
Tweety is just so damn dumb.
Webb hits it right off the bat. Excellent.
Actually, I thought he was much better than he usually is. I could stand to listen to him. The news folks all are remarking on how somber the speech was. Hell, he should be somber. Look at how many people’s deaths he has on his conscience.
He only stammered a couple of times. I think despite all the re-writes, he practiced this one more.
This is the Webb response. Just grabbed it from dKos. Tuesday, January 23, 2007 Democratic Response of Senator Jim Webb To the President’s State of the Union Address Good evening. I’m Senator Jim Webb, from Virginia, where this year we will celebrate the 400th anniversary of the settlement of Jamestown – an event that marked the first step in the long journey that has made us the greatest and most prosperous nation on earth. It would not be possible in this short amount of time to actually rebut the President’s… Read more »
Sen Jim Webb’s Response
link:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/23/sen-webbs-democratic-response-to-the-sotu-the-wars-costs-to
-our-nation-have-been-staggering/
Webb mentioned New orleans!!!!!!
Two areas where the parties stand in contradiction, the health of our economy and our foreign policy.
posting the speech as he is giving it kills the moment in my opinion.
I wanted to post just a link, but couldn’t find one.
I apologize.
and he did add a few things — reference to “the great city of” New Orleans, for example…
Wage disparity. Losing our middle class! Measure the health of our society at our base and not its apex 😉
Speaking of his family’s tradition of serving in the military. Talking about what the country’s leaders owe the country’s defenders, nailing Bush now for starting the Iraq War and nailing him really really hard.
Jim Webb. Great rebuttal and from here in VA! HaHa who’d have dreamed it!
Ruh Roh, he just outlined a real plan for ending the Iraq War in about two sentences.
Holy Shit! Either this President figures out how to end the Iraq War and they’ll agree with him and support him or they will show him the way. And that’s it and it’s all done. Whew!
That ending kicked an awful, awful lot of ass.
I can’t even find my own ass after looking into Webbs eyes right then. I don’t even need to blow my nose, it cleared my sinuses too.
he might have a slip of the tongue, and instead of saying “show him the way”, he’d say “show him the door”… lol
Don’t you think he knew that we’d all be thinking that?
Matthews just said both Bush and Cheney ‘somewhat deliberately’ avoided military service.
by Senator Webb…I liked the reference to his father’s service, an oblique reference to the sacrifice being made by so many families as their fathers (and mothers) head off for their umpteenth tour of duty overseas…
I liked it, too. But I think it was direct hit. There’s not an oblique bone in Webb’s body.
and his name is Webb.
I have to stop talking while I write.
and now for platidude obama.
whatever happy thoughts you want it to mean.
Tonight we are calling on this President to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way.
I’d just like to suggest that he change that last word from “way” to “door.”
yet again… 🙂
Oooh, Edwards is on now on MSNBC!
he did a good job! He mentioned that boosto has deserted N.O.!
Brokaw looked bad, he also seemed to be slurring his speech very slightly… Maybe he had some bourbon during the SOTU also! LOL!
Maybe your ears are just slurring 😉
I’ll brb, I just hit bottom on thish bottle, gotter goo an git anuther wun.
I’m going to go get a refill too 🙂
Old folks usually crash by about 9 (my mom could barely make it past 8)…
John Edwards is disappointed that Bush didn’t talk about Katrina too.
That’s soooooo 2005, dahlink…
Lindsey Graham…they don’t even ask him about the President’s speech, they ask him about Webb’s.
That’s hilarious.
I’m a little surprised that Graham is still toeing the company line on Iraq, to be honest.
I’ve always thought of him as slimy and smart, but not evil. He is quickly dispelling me of that notion.
Timmeh’s HairPiece is slightly out of place…
Am I the only one who is totally annoyed with Brian Williams?
If the man wrote a haiku, the syllabic patter would be like 2-3-2. He stretches words out WAY too long and tries to make incredibly mundane things sound exciting and urgent.
Brian Williams is sending morse code to the trrists with his eyeblinks.
It’s the only way to contact them without a phone tap or opening their mail, I guess.
I think he’s got a bee sting on his left eyelid or something….
KO is sitting there thinking “oh my god, these windbags are full of themselves….how can I get out of here, fast!” I can he’s trying to look very serious….
Jackson vs. the Bank of the US! CEO salaries! TR, the GOP Trustbuster, warning against corporate influence! Eisenhower ending the Korean War! Laying the blame for Iraq right at Bush’s blood-stained feet! Do the right thing (for once) Mr. Prez and we will follow you. If not, we’ll do it ourselves. I don’t think I’ve used five exclamation points since I wrote my first love letter as a smitten seventh-grader. It’s a good day to be a Democrat. If a candidate doesn’t step up to Webb’s standard, I’m writing him in. Pick on the Southern boy, all you want folks.… Read more »
I’m really interested to see how ‘conservative’ the Conservative Democrat® Webb really is. He came out firing on all cylinders with a populist message after he was elected, and that surprised and pleased me.
He’s been mislabeled as a conservative. He has always been a old-line, anti-corporate power, populist. He understands the history of the country, especially the South, in a profound way. He knows about and identifies with the poor against the rich. “Conservative” once meant “anti-corporate.” Bush as ended that distinction, once and for all.
I completely agree. That’s why I put the ‘registered trademark’ next to that phrase 🙂
I think he’s taken a lot of flak for being Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, but at least so far, he’s hit the right points, and I think and hope he will continue to do so.
That’s a good point about the Reagan service. I wish people would realize that a military man serves when asked. I am not familiar with his service, but I doubt he shilled for Reagan.
Kidspeak tells me that Webb resigned in protest, although to what neither of us can remember. Maybe someone call help us out.
This is all I got. From wikipedia:
Thanks. ej.
WOW! ALL of teh Bush apologistas on MSNBC have their eyes blinking doubletime, it’s really weird….
Don’t worry, it’s just their brains rejecting the programming. They’ll get over it soon.
LOL! I hope you’re correct. Maybe the brainwashing is wearing off and the hangover is setting in….
Impressed by Bush’s “chivalrous” acknowledgement of Pelosi…why can’t he just acknowledge her like he’s acknowledge a male Democratic speaker?
Yeah, it’s a Big Deal…but the fact that she got there on her qualifications, not her gender, is what we need to focus on.
And I’d like to nominate Mike Barnicle for Wanker of the Night:
“You don’t have to be Stephen Hawking to figure out that Nancy Pelosi’s outfit cost more than the average American paid for their first home”
I admit I was surprised he mentioned it. I wasn’t expecting it.
It is a big deal, in the same way that Herm Edwards and Lovie Smith being the 2 first African American coaches to make the Superbowl is a big deal : Great, but it will be a much more important milestone when it is no longer noteworthy.
that women have indeed come a long way, but that we’ve still got a long road ahead…
Women are great. It’s the oppressive and chauvinistic sectors of society that have a long road ahead.
I’ve been “writing a post” in my head all day, when Speaker Pelosi wore a subtle beige suit with cream blouse when she gaveled the House to order. Instead, she wore pale green tonight, which I love. I was hoping to see if Minnesota’s far-right Michele Bachmann was still in her “angelic” winter white, while Stephanie Tubb Jones was in dramatic black with large silver circles that outlined the front of her dress. Alas, I saw neither of the two latter ladies.
breathlessly reported that Nancy spilled chocolate on her earlier outfit, hence the change of clothes (this according to Think Progress; my channel changer won’t even stop on the FAUX News Channel)…
Aha, that’s a good reason! Makes her my kind of woman. Keith was breathless himself, when he showed a clip last night of Rep Bachmann clutching Bush, calling her the Katharine Harris of Minnesota. Bachmann was still in white; I suspect she meant to stand out in the crowd.
You’re kidding!!! And how much did Bush’s suit cost??
His “Special” underwear is $15K alone.
on the White House enemies list.
David Shuster is tearing Bush’s speech apart now.
But his critique is based on facts, so don’t worry about it gaining any traction.
Maybe the MSM should worry more about stepford Laura’s dress bought by taxpayers…
Also, an idiotic scroll seen on MSNBC was something about Cheney looking “dapper.”
OMG. The whole thing was ridiculous. The best part of the evening was the loudest applause Pelosi received.
about Pelosi’s outfit (enough already with the fashionista crap on Nancy! Let her wear what she wants!) … the crawl that pissed me off the most was: “Dennis Kucinich, Democrat and Vegan of Ohio….” Why not: “Dick Cheney, man who shot friend in the face” or “Huckleberry Graham, carnivore … ” or “GWB, murderer of multitudes of Iraqis and sacrificer of young American troops?” Effin ridiculous… enough already with damning Dennis K for being a Vegan! The man has more integrity than a boatload of Rethugs could hope for in their rapturistic paradise! Disclosure: Though I worked hard for Dennis… Read more »
Webb totally ROCKED! I wasn’t sure about him at first, but I sure am a huge fan of his now (well, as of his WSJ op-ed a while back, that cinched it for me). Didn’t hurt at all that he knocked off Macaca Allen either! Very wise choice for the Dems to pick him for giving the response. Gone are the days of those snooze-a-thons by Byrd back in the bad old Reagan days… at least I Hope!