Ah, the sweet seduction of open source. The fantasy of a place where honest people meet and correct each others mistakes before you reach the page, sigh. Yes, I can see the appeal of Wikipedia. We all can. Many fewer, however, seem able to see the danger inherent in a centralized source for information.
I believe impassionedly the control of information is a goal to those who would subvert our independence, and Wikipedia enables, rather than impedes, that goal.
I agree with all those who recommend Wikipedia as a starting point. But I disagree strongly with anyone and everyone who suggests it’s okay to end with Wikipedia.
For support of my view, just search Google news:
Cornell Profs Slam Use of Wikipedia:
Prof. Aaron Sachs, history, said Wikipedia should be used with caution in research.
“I tell my students that Wikipedia is sometimes a decent option for a getting a basic overview,” he said. “But even then it takes a lot of practice to recognize when an entry might be more or less reliable.“
In UCLA’s Daily Bruin, we learn:
Many educators agree … that Wikipedia is a valuable place to start research, but should not be treated as an authoritative source.
The history department at Middlebury College in Vermont announced a policy last week forbidding students from citing Wikipedia articles in research papers, said Middlebury history Professor Neil Waters. The policy states that “Wikipedia is not an acceptable citation, even though it may lead one to a citable source.”
And what does Wikipedia’s OWN COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER SAY?
“Wikipedia is a great resource for students to get a good overview of a topic, but it should not be cited in papers or exams since it is not an authoritative source,” said Sandy Ordonez, communications manager for Wikipedia.
In answer to the question posed by Prospect Magazine in the UK, “Left and right defined the 20th century. What’s next?”, distinguished critic and novelist A S Byatt responded:
We will be governed by a kind of consensus populism-beliefs, ideas and policies that arise on blogs, websites, focus groups and so on. (Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton announced their candidacies on the web.) This has its appeal. It is also frightening, as Tocqueville found American democracy, because it leads to tyranny of the majority. It goes with vast quantities of not wholly accurate information- Wikipedia is splendid and maddening.
All the above is assuming a completely innocent world, where people want to share correct information and are just fallible. But that’s not even the right model for the world. Imagine the following scenario.
The same group that has controlled the print media and the publishing media in an effort to ensure secret history never reaches the public becomes ecstatic. I’m not talking about all of history. I’m talking about specific events that, if properly exposed, could cause a revolution in the way we think, act, and ultimately, in the kind of government we’d choose. Revolutionary history, such as who was really behind the Kennedy assassination, for example.
Now, to control history, they only need to control a single source: Wikipedia.
The group I’m referring to is the CIA, and this is not really an imagined scenario. Check out Carl Bernstein’s 16-page article in the October 1977 issue of Rolling Stone. Guess what? It’s not online. You miss a huge portion of history if you limit yourself to what’s online.
Separately, find a copy of the Pike Report. It’s not online either. It’s hard to find. Why? Because the CIA doesn’t want you to find it:
On 19th January, 1976, Pike sent the final draft of a 338 page report to the CIA. Mitchell Rogovin, the CIA’s Special Counsel for legal affairs, responded with a scalding attack on the report. He complained that the report was an “unrelenting indictment couched in biased, pejorative and factually erroneous terms.” He also told Searle Field, staff director of the House Select Committee: “Pike will pay for this, you wait and see….There will be a political retaliation.. We will destroy him for this.”
Rogovin’s threat proved true. Pike’s career was ended by his pursuit of the truth about intelligence activities, and especially activities involving the control of the media. And the CIA has never showed that any data in there was inaccurate. Just inconvenient.
I have a copy of the report. In there, you’ll find essentially the result of a constitutional crisis: When the Pike Committee, the House Select committee established to investigate the CIA’s domestic abuses, they ultimately came to the conclusion that the CIA was able to get away with so much because they controlled the press. When our elected officials, charged legally with oversight over the CIA, demanded the names of the CIA’s acknowledged 400 media assets (as opposed to the ones they’d never acknowledge), the CIA refused. They claimed their right to secrecy superceded Congress’s right to oversight. A compromise was brokered, but essentially, the CIA won.
In addition, a member of the CIA, now dead, told me the CIA employs groups of people to buy up books to take them out of circulation. They enlisted rooms of people to watch all channels on TV, with 24-hour coverage, to look for ‘objectionable’ material so they can counter it and dissuade that media outlet from continuing with such “attacks” as the Agency saw it.
The CIA has put its own people on the radio to persuade us. Several “former” employees have become noted radio hosts. (“Former” is a term one can’t use, because the secrecy oath is lifelong. Once you join the CIA, the only way to really leave it is by death.)
So regarding Wikipedia, we’re up against a formidable enemy. The CIA can afford to employ people fulltime to “watch” for changes to these articles. And there are multiple precedents as to why and how they’d do this. By centralizing history, we’ve made its modification by those who would control us easier, not harder.
For all these reasons, I am very much in favor of a ban on citing Wikipedia as a final authority on any subject anywhere. I personally will not recognize anything cited from Wikipedia alone as “fact,” and will continue to consider those who stop there lazy. It’s a starting place, NOT a destination. And if it becomes people’s destination on a widespread scale, God help us all.
Thank you Lisa.
Do you listen to Ian Masters on KPFK?
If so, do you have an opinion on any of the “former” CIA people that are his guests from time to time?
What time is his show? I so rarely listen to the radio anymore. I know his name and have heard him in the past, and had the great honor of being introduced by him at an evoting symposium a little over a year ago in – surprise, Venice, Calif! 😉
His show, Background Briefing, in on Sundays at eleven o’clock for one hour. At noon the name changes to Life from the Left Coast and covers a somewhat wider range of topics, occasionally with listener calls.
WARNING: KPFK is now in the middle of a fund drive, and it might be best to wait a week if you’re interested in listening to him, unless you’re adept at diving for the dial. 😉 (And I offer this advice as a listener-supporter!)
Sorry to have missed the panel discussion. We try to support events within walking distance of home!
heh. glad to see it’s catching on. i argued this a while back, just based on my own impressions of the usefulness of such a information source. i like the nuance you’ve added to that objection.
Thanks for your own efforts to raise awareness. And as I just argued in a companion post re this over at Progressive History, there’s also the issue of trying to cite a moving target. If you quote text that is always changing, it can backfire on you. People will look up what’s there and say that’s not what YOU said, even though you may have quoted accurately at that point in time. A newspaper article or a book, once published, has the same text over time. Wikipedia does not. So it can really harm the citers credibility.
I just quoted this section of your piece over at PH:
EXACTLY.
You are ignoring how easy it is to correct misinformation on Wikipedia. The gatekeepers of “real” encyclopedias are, for example, still struggling to incorporate the cultural and scientific contributions of women and minorities into their products, which is not surprising considering the extremely narrow socioeconomic background of print encyclopedia editorial boards. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn’t have that problem built into its very structure the way Britannica does.
Errors, omissions, and outright misinformation in print encyclopedias, by comparison, tend to be preserved and enshrined in the traditions of the inherently conservative academic community. Print encyclopedias have an additional incentive to avoid full and factual reporting because they must avoid at all costs alienating the institutions that are their primary customers.
It often seems that most of the complaints about Wikipedia come from intellectual elitists who are deeply annoyed by the intrusion of people they perceive as rabble into the hallowed grounds of encyclopedia making. Most of their complaints tend to be unfounded — more than one study has found the error rate in Wikipedia to be equal to or lower than the error rate in Britannica — or, as in this case, paranoid to the point of just being plain weird. How does being editable (and correctable) by anyone make Wikipedia a more likely tool of misinformation than Britannica, which is the private property of a Swiss billionaire?
No I’m not ignoring how easy it is to “correct.”
I corrected an article a few months ago. Not once, but a few times. Someone else kept “correcting” (I should spell that, more appropriately, “corrupting”) it back.
It became an issue of who had more time – the person wanting to insert disinformation, or the person wanting to correct it. Guess who won? Not me.
That’s the same complaint I’ve heard from the last several people I’ve seen denouncing Wikipedia. Please be the exception to the rule and provide details.
It was an article on the JFK assassination. I don’t remember the specific edits as this was some time last year. But it was very frustrating, because my edits were minor, factual, and essential.
according to whom?
Ah, Ed J, the guy who always shows up to remind us Oswald acted alone whenever the JFK assassinatoin is mentioned. Are you the resident babysitter for this issue?
As I’ve told you – I have no intention of getting into a JFK debate here or anywhere – I did my time in alt.jfk.conspiracy for years. You can go look for a fight elsewhere.
Btw – any comparison to EB is unwarranted. No reputable school allows students to cite from EB for papers anyway, so it doesn’t matter which is more accurate. The point is, should citations to Wikipedia be allowed? I argue strongly, from personal experience as well as the informed opinion of professors around the world, no.
The fact that this debate exists in the first place is only because people don’t understand what an encyclopedia is, and because a small number of people who either make money or derive prestige from selling “authoritative” information are deeply annoyed by what they perceive as an incursion upon their turf.
No kidding. But guess what? No encyclopedia is an authoritative source of anything. By definition, an encyclopedia is a collection of brief subject overviews, any of which might condense hundreds or thousands of actual authoritative sources into a handful of paragraphs.
Anyone who is using an encyclopedia as a cited source above the high school level desperately, desperately needs to learn some research skills. That applies equally to the error-prone Wikipedia and to the even more error-prone Britannica.
Honestly, if even a tenth of the people with irrationally strong aversions to Wikipedia contributed to the project by adding material or fixing problems with existing material, it would be even further ahead of the comparatively brief and erroneous for-profit encyclopedias it has largely supplanted.
See my above.
I’ve been able to contribute to Wikipedia articles data that stuck, and data that was constantly removed, no matter how many times I tried to fix it and put it back.
So that argument just doesn’t wash.
I’m wholly in agreement with your point that NO encyclopedia should ever be used as a single source.
In fact – I’ll go you one further. If someone only cites ANY single source and it isn’t primary, I remain skeptical re the information and its credibility. Try reading just one book on the Kennedy assassination. You will necessarily get an incomplete picture. But if you read several, you’ll get a very good idea of the range of possibilities, and can start to see patterns and which sources are more credible, and which are less.
So you’d like to see a medium that is as good at presenting controversy as Wikipedia is as presenting [apparent] consensus? I know that I would.
?? Er, no. I can see controversy on blogs daily.
I want good, reputable information, with a name attached (and preferably a publisher) in a source that isn’t changing daily. That is something I can use. Citing a moving target written by authors of unknow credibility? That’s a recipe for disaster.
If a blog met the criterion I have in mind, then you could visit it and expect to find an “article” on almost any significant controversy — except that it wouldn’t be an article, but two or more arguments, each subject to ongoing editing and improvement by its advocates, and placed in direct confrontation, point-by-point, with the opposition’s corresponding argument.
And it would be easy to find what each side considered to be the decisive weakness in the other. And why. And what the other side has to say in response.
Hardly at all like a blog. I think it would help get at something more like the truth than what we’ve been seeing.
—————–
What you want is valuable, too, but it’s not the same. We’ve had a lot of “reputable information” over the years, and it’s better than the other kind, but reputations sometimes provide a defense for utterly wrong information.
I like the idea in general. I wonder how that would work with something as complicated as the Kennedy assassination?
The other problem is that the side lying, and that might benefit financially or in terms of power from the lie, will be better funded and have more resources available than those who are struggling to tell the truth.
In the case of the Kennedy assassination, I don’t know a single honest researcher with the time, money, or support to run a forum. But I know several dishonest ones who do just that.
That’s where the idea would fall down, in my opinion. When it really mattered, the liars would have the advantage, sadly.
one, people should not trust encyclopedias.
Encyclopedias are for people that know nothing about that field in the first place, they are rarely authoratative beyond the fourth grade.
Wikipedia compares well to them, even on controversial topics, which have always been mishandled by encyclopedia’s and dictionaries.
The net is about research.
Wikipedia gives you enough questions to research it is a good thing.
That people want to just regurgitate what they hear is THEIR problem, and Wikipedia is a cure… a great source you can’t quote.
A starting point when you know nothing.
Right (note my subject change though).
I don’t like to see people quoting paragraphs from Wikipedia – it’s just lazy. At least quote paragraphs from something that has a name and a publisher of sorts attached.
and the content. I use Wikipedia all the time, but I use it for things like which pistol I should put in the hands of a British commando circa 1942 in an alternate history novel. Or for family relationships among the Greek gods for the WebMage series. Or details of the Globe for a Shakespearian theater fantasy novel. Do I cross check? Sometimes, depends on my assessment of the controversiality of the subject. Would I use it in an academic paper? Of course not. But for non-controversial fiction research it’s probably the single best resource available.