This diary originated from a discussion of real estate markets, so we will eventually get to financial matters of today. The sweeping bottom question is: how can an apparently steady growth or progress possibly be halted, or even voided? Do civilisations collapse often, and how? Do they just meet bad luck or barbaric invaders sooner or later, or do they always collapse once they fully employ a “no-brainer” affluence strategy, like greed or self-indulgence? Can gains of globalization and free markets increase forever, or will they abruptly end just “around a corner”?
Globalization must have the limits of the globe, or not? It works all fine while new markets open and expand, while masses of new individuals enter speculative markets, either directly or via inescapably more aggressive pension funds. Will the global economy continue to prosper when the stream of eager new buyers will dry out?
Deep down, it is not exceptionally remarkable that evaluation of the markets grows while their volume rapidly expands. You can run a pyramid scheme with the same effect!
While I was preparing this diary, I googled up an internet article with almost the same title. Interestingly, it was written in the year 2000. (Remember those times?) For the beginning, let’s follow the article.
Earth is full of dead cities. Civilizations, like individuals, are born, flourish and die. Except ours. Ours, we believe, is different, the beneficiary of all the rest. The sunny afternoon in which we thrive will stretch ahead forever. In this belief, we carry on our lives against the evidence of time.
Indeed. Egyptians and Maya had much more than their stone pyramids. Yet we know now well only the pyramids. How did it happen that everything else went gone?
Tikal, the greatest city, seems a Manhattan of art deco pyramids [presiding] over a conurbation of 120 square kilometres. It took 1,500 years to reach that size, yet all of Tikal’s skyscrapers were built in its final century, an extravagant flowering on the eve of collapse.
Jared Diamond has the same observation: civilisations tend to collapse after an imposing boom.
Civilizations rise because they find new ways to exploit natural and human resources, to tip the balance between culture and nature. They feed on their local ecology until it is degraded, thriving only while they grow. When they can no longer expand, they fall victim to their own success. Civilization is a pyramid scheme.
The cusp between rise and fall is a matter of scale, of demand outrunning natural limits.
Are we sure the modern civilisation was never warned?
[There] was a cost, a debt to nature accruing so gradually it was seldom observed, let alone understood. Woods dwindled and receded, denuded land became prone to drought and flood (including, perhaps, the Flood), irrigated fields turned sour. The cities of the plain turned their surroundings into a saltpan. The desert in which their ruins stand is a desert of their making.
Can we make better guesses, what can the greatest biblical human folly possibly be? What about blind confidence that growing wealth can grow forever? Or that things never go catastrophically badly to a prospering civilisation? That greed is an ultimate vehicle of progress?
In the past, these cycles were regional. As Rome fell in the Mediterranean, the Maya rose in Central America, and so on; the setbacks were local, the overall experiment kept going. But now the 10,000-year bets all rest on a single throw. We have one big civilization, feeding on the whole Earth at such a rate that we can observe the exhaustion of natural capital within our lifetimes, whether it be the loss of wildlife, water, coral reefs or rain forests. We are razing forests everywhere, we are irrigating everywhere, we are fishing everywhere […]
Couldn’t Darwinnian selection of civilisations be somewhat more effective up until this global moment?
During the 20th century alone, our population multiplied by four, while our consumption grew by 40. Yet the number in abject poverty today is as great as all mankind in 1900. Is this progress? Can the stock market be trusted to run the world? Or is our consumerist boom the illusory wealth of wastrels blowing an inheritance – by no means only their own? Is the promise of prosperity for six billion the Big Lie of our time?
Will we be very lucky if just a meek portion of humanity will survive a sweeping climate/geological change and self-inflicted chaos? Should we at worst hope for not much more but unambiguous preservation of a single big lesson for the next civilisation cycle?
Ok, I stop here with digging the apocalyptic spectrum. Please browse that great article by Ronald Wright on your own.
I am changing the subject with the words stock market. I may be dumb with putting this “demystification” in a heartlessly depressing way, but would it be really more considerate to wait?
The financial markets just had a bad day across the world, after a rocky week. Can we make more sense of this than the excuse a combination of factors?
The hypothesis is that the modern economy is dominated by ever increasing and ever expanding speculation in stock and real estate markets. These markets will grow just as long as the volume increases. The markets are vastly overvalued due to a pyramid-style growth of the number of players. The markets will fail when there won’t be any bottom to add to participants’ pyramid.
How did we got here? What is the more important effect of Bush’s tax cuts: blatant enrichment of already the most wealthy and most influential, or inducing millions of Americans into stock and real estate markets? Do we need now many thousands (a day) of Chinese entrants into financial markets to keep the world economy afloat?
An important factor for market’s fall last week was the anticipation that the Chinese government is going to control China’s speculative markets more seriously, or raise capital gain taxes making speculation less profitable. Even conservative pro-market gurus stress that. Isn’t this is a striking test of how important is the volume growth to the current economy?
What the world has been following now is perhaps precisely a recipe of a pyramid disaster – a moment without buyers is coming, and most of the players will never exercise the equity they nominally have at this moment. We should look closely to similarities with the First Great Depression. The pro-market leaders might have been following the same pattern inadvertently, believing they found perpetum mobile for the fulfillment in this world. But it is not so that governments were never building financial pyramids unknowingly. Does humanity has no better ambition than gambling for an eternally easy living?
Show me some rays of light.
The diary is crossposted from European Tribune. In 12 hours I will post it on Daily Kos.
I don’t know what the title has to do with your diary but the answer quite simply is “yes”.
We’ll follow the chain of logic. Civilization means those who dwell in cities (or towns or villages or any “fixed” spot). City dwellers are not mobile therefore they must practice domination agriculture.
Domination agriculture leads to cycles of surplus and famine. When the cycle is in surplus, this leads to a division of labor from those who “labor” and those who “manage” or “supervise” or “rule” the laborers. These eventually become the “nobility” or “rulers” or “leaders” or “priests” or whatever term you prefer.
Laborers vastly outnumber rulers and therefore the leaders give some benefits to a buffer class to be the overseers of the laborers.
Therefore the goal for any citizen in a civilization is to be on the “management” side rather than the “labor” side. If not, fall into a stupor with drugs or other mind-numbing activities such as television or the hope that your entire life is just a “test” to see if you will be rewarded with managerial status in the “next life”.
Pax
The diary is indeed a blend of two parts. You may say, I did not dare to write a diary titled “Is the stock market a pyramid scheme?”.
General civilisation matters are discussed along the citations of Ronald Wright. The introduction stresses more the financial part, which is later continued at the tail of the diary. Both parts are related by pyramid models, and the fact that the wealth of our modern civilisation hangs on the run of stock markets.
The “labour/management” game is by itself a pyramid scheme: a few big winners, many relative loosers. But joining a “rat race” does not have to be the only adoptation.
But joining a “rat race” does not have to be the only adoptation.
Of course it is. Those who practice totalitarian agriculture kill or assimilate anything or anyone who hinders it.
Pax
Why that process did not ended with a logical conclusion by now?
If you look at the nature, there aren’t many species who are living on grabbing, consuming everything they could their pots and mounths on. Bacteria, viruses, locusts,…. Homo Sapiens… what else?
Why did is it not finished yet? Wait some more time!
Is the most basic Darwin evolution. If X = all the living creatures and plants (biomass) on the Earth then humanity is a fraction of that which is always increasing. Let’s say humans in total are H. Well what is X/H? And what is X/H just 20 years ago?
People act like plants and animals are created poof like a videogame. There are the same number of atoms on this planet today as there were 1 million years ago.
I mean how can this be so complicated? All human beings have physical bodies. Those physical bodies are sustained by a lifetime of consuming other living organisms (biomass). The more humans alive simultaneously on the planet, the greater the percentage of the biomass will be humanity (and therefore less other species).
Or the more animals and plants are converted into food to create human bodies, the fewer animals and plants there are.
Clearly it is simple and evident that any population which expands continually will at some point be too large to survive in its environment.
Arminius below mentions the “Star Trek escape at the last minute” fantasy which is nice but just delays the problem for a few years. Assuming that star ships and habitable planets are around, eventually humanity will fill up those planets too.
Either way, one day soon, if nothing changes, the population of humanity is in for a radical reversal.
Pax
Does it happen often that a population expands “too large to survive in its environment”? What possibly happens then?
soj, I agree with most of your thinking, but your analysis here rests on a logical error. It is not true that there is a fixed amount of biomass into which the human fraction is steadily increasing. I say this as a regular reader of lots of scientific publications.
First, the total biomass varies over time. It is conceivable that the total could increase very significantly, at least for a time, if new energy sources (and ways to use them) are discovered. Thus, it is possible that the number of humans could steadily rise (at least for a time) while the fraction X/H also increases.
Second, humans make up such a small proportion of the total biomass that it would take exponential expansion of the human race for many centures to come before the humans started making up a big proportion of the total biomass. Most of the biomass is in microbes that live deep in the rocks of the planet, miles down, followed by vast masses of microbes in the oceans. I don’t have the numbers, but I don’t think the entire human population makes up even a ten-billionth of the total by weight or by volume. Moreover, human population is stabilizing and may well start declining within a century. We’re not going to see centuries more of the rapid increases that occurred over the last two hundred years.
These are some of the reasons why I think it’s much more likely that humans will kill themselves through nuclear winter or plague than that we will all die from consuming everything.
I don’t have much to add at the moment, but I think this is a very profound and rather well-constructed diary. The theme is well known these days. As soon as I saw the title, I knew the author would cite Jared Diamond. But the diary poses perhaps the ultimate question to so-called Western Civilization.
Personally, I think it’s mainly a race between off-world colonization and nuclear apocalypse. I don’t think we have any way to persuade great masses of people to deliberately and knowingly accept a quickly declining standard of living in order to Save The Future.
But I’m an optimist. I think off-world colonization will narrowly happen just in time, just like a Star Trek episode in which disaster is averted at the last split second.
You can also make an argument that the race is between developing ways of harnessing new energy sources / using energy more efficiently versus population growth, accumulation of wastes, and limits on resources.
A source of cheap renewable energy will provide us with the capacity to keep the game going a bit longer. Maybe even long enough to colonize space and buy a shot at looong-term survival. The way our species is crowding into dense cities and exploring space, an analogy to the behavior of slime molds comes to mind…
Of course, it’s also a race between education and ignorance, between disease, war, and economic collapse against their opposites, etc.
It takes an extended period (centuries) of “tending the garden” to allow a culture to take advantage of the “lucky break” of a period when technical know-how and economic prosperity allow a civilization to “flower.” Such times can never last; they depend on too many things going the right way into the indefinite future.
One of those things is a shared vision that thwarts the forces leading to decline or collapse. Your statement “I don’t think we have any way to persuade great masses of people to deliberately and knowingly accept a quickly declining standard of living in order to Save The Future.” touches on this point. When the predominant worldview cannot provide such hope, it will eventually collapse, and its god(s) will be judged powerless – to be replaced by a civilization whose god(s) [or whose interpretation of God, if you prefer] are found by the masses to be life-affirming and providing hope to endure a dark time.
Such a fate befell Rome, and may well have begun to befall us as well. There is quite probably some little cult percolating below the surface in some remote corner that will become the next major world religion; we just cannot see it yet. But in the grand scheme of things, it certainly looks more and more like the years from sometime in the 1970s to the present will mark the beginning of the irreversible decline for this civilization. Unless somebody pretty quick comes up with nuclear fusion, cheap solar power, or both…
The saddest scenario is perhaps the following. Just when we are making decisive breakthroughs in understanding the Universe, complex systems, the Earth, our own brains and societies, we are squandering all resources to do anything with the new outstanding knowledge. We overcome the climate change, fear of nuclear wars, technology breakdown and society collapses. Then we are stuck on Earth for many thousands years with plenty of machinery, fully knowing how it works, but unable to repair or use it. We would have great ideas how to build Artificially Intelligent robots, but we would not have materials to build them, or batteries to run them. We would know what we could get on other planets, but we would not be able to lift off from the Earth. On a bad day, survivors would curse this generation of consumers for having no better priorities but purposeless comfort. The most available excitement for them would be solving mathematical puzzles. For some time, they would thoroughly enjoy old video, audio and DVD recordings once a week, coming together to save electricity, while they are CD/DVD/video players functioning. They would have a lot of books though. They would investigate in miniscule detail what Milton Friedmans and Frederick Nietzes of our world meant, where they were wrong or intelectually lazy. Most importantly, they would make thoughtful plans for the next million years, how to grow efficient energy resources, what machines are most essential to build, and what first space collonization steps to take in the far future. They would be lucky if they would keep a few Mac computers running for a couple of centuries.
You bring up an interesting point about how the remnants of technology linger on, even after the civilization that created them is gone. The town in Italy that my great-grandparents left to come to America still has functioning Roman aqueducts delivering drinking water to the fountains in the town square – and my understanding is that this is not an uncommon occurrence across much of Europe.
On a bad day, survivors would curse this generation of consumers for having no better priorities but purposeless comfort.
On a good day they will curse us. On a bad day they’ll be dying of new plagues, fighting off hordes of Barbarians, or hiding from the latest variation on the theme of religious zealots practicing torture.
We have already earned their curses a thousand times over.
They would have a lot of books though. They would investigate in miniscule detail what Milton Friedmans and Frederick Nietzes of our world meant, where they were wrong or intelectually lazy.
Much like monks poring over Aristotle, no?
Most importantly, they would make thoughtful plans for the next million years, how to grow efficient energy resources, what machines are most essential to build, and what first space collonization steps to take in the far future.
And in that spirit of hope lies the seeds of the next Renaissance; the excesses of our times purged (for a while) from the human spirit…
Is not the collapse of civilization the very hand of the market? Is not it’s impending nature the very force that will, among the informed, justify policies such as the tax cuts and anything else that concentrates wealth among the informed?
My suggestion is to move somewhere near unspoilt or productive farmland, go off the grid and ride the crash out? Can’t afford that? Time to start stealing from the wealthy, who are, after all, stealing from you. This is the appropriate market-driven reaction and should be justified as such.
Or better yet, just don’t pay taxes.
Your comment reminds me that in graduate school I read Thoreau’s Walden, and left to live off the land.
25 years later, my son read Thoreau’s Civil Disobedience and is active in the antiwar movement and the Socialists.
What goes around, comes around, LOL.
Thoreau: the most subversive writer (and thus truest to “the American spirit”) in the American “canon.” Every teenager should be required to read him!
Does humanity has no better ambition than gambling for an eternally easy living?
I know many of us here have higher ambitions. But truly, most people do not, and it wasn’t until you said it that I thought about it that way. Now I’m really depressed.
I just thought, if the stock market collapses, everyone will join the World Poker Tour.
Does humanity has no better ambition than gambling for an eternally easy living?
Biologists could probably make a good case that this is “in the hard wiring” of our species – but then again, it’s also in the wiring for every other life form. It’s just another way of saying “getting the most done with the least effort, leaving the most time and energy to reproduce.” We’re no different – no holier and no more damned – than any other animal.
Without someone having an “easy living,” there’s no $$$ to pay for a Michaelangelo or Bach (or Arthur Gilroy), so it’s not something to be depressed about.
I think that animals and humans have many modes wired, for bad times and for good times. Greedy “no-brainer” behaviour has disadvatages as well: on a massive scale, it generates crises more often. There is evolutionary merit in being able to restrain from consuming everything in good times. It is pretty sure that most of living species have “restraint” genes, which were selected within a complicated tussle between short-term benefits versus long-term risks. Humans (and human cultures) must have restraint “genes” as well. But two factors weaken restraining behaviours:
In conclusion, the increasing predominance of primitively selfish impulses is a misguided selection of survival strategy. We are having the best possible times, for God’s sake; what is the necessity to be more and more competitive?! Since we have never been at this development stage, we do not know the right way to “survive good times”. On the other hand, whatever appropriate impulses we may have for sustainable development, these are overwhelmed by the frenzy of libertarian ideology.