There will be an interesting hearing at 2 PM eastern. The House International Relations’ Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight will be meeting with members of the European Parliament who investigated United States’ programs of ‘renditions, detentions and interrogations of terrorism suspects’. Here is their announcement. It is not listed on C-SPAN’s schedule, which is unfortunate because it is a very important topic. Today, Walter Pincus reported on DCI Michael Hayden’s recent complaints to European diplomats.
CIA Director Michael V. Hayden has taken the unusual step of complaining privately to European diplomats about officials in their countries criticizing U.S. intelligence programs that involve renditions, detentions and interrogations of terrorism suspects.
At a luncheon last month at the German Embassy in Washington, Hayden gave a frank report on the controversial counterterrorism programs and spoke of his concern about the inaccurate information surrounding them and the “unbounded criticism” directed at them, particularly from the European Parliament, according to Western diplomats and officials aware of his remarks. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the meeting was private.
Hayden complained about hypocrisy since (he claims) the European’s have benefited from torture-elicited information. Then he blamed the Pentagon for most of the renditions.
Hayden said that renditions — the transfers of CIA detainees to third countries — have totaled fewer than 100, fewer than the 1,254 CIA flights that were identified in the European report. The report acknowledged that “not all those flights have been used for extraordinary rendition.”
Hayden said the renditions were undertaken with the consent and often the assistance of the countries where the detainees were located. He attempted to differentiate the CIA’s small-scale detention and interrogation program, targeted at the most dangerous detainees, and the larger Defense Department prison system, which is focused around 400 or more terrorism suspects who have been held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
I suspect the big story that will eventually come out is that the Pentagon did a lot of (what shoud have been the CIA’s) dirty work to avoid reporting
requirements to Congress. Regardless, European investigators will be testifying to Congress about U.S. intelligence operations because we can’t get any good information from our own services. How sad it that?
The witness list for this hearing (chaired by Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts) is below the fold. Two PM. You might be able to webcast it once the meeting starts. Go here and look on the bottom right for a green ‘webcast’ box.
Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and OversightBill Delahunt (D-MA), ChairmanDate:Tuesday, April 17, 2007Time:2:00 PMSubject:Extraordinary Rendition in U.S. Counterterrorism Policy: The Impact on Transatlantic RelationsWitnesses:Mr. Jonathan Evans, Member, European Parliament
Chairman, European Parliament Delegation for Relations with the United StatesMr. Claudio Fava, Member, European Parliament
Author, Report on the Alleged Use of European Countries by the CIA for the Transportation and Illegal Detention of PrisonersBaroness Sarah Ludford, Member, European Parliament
Vice-Chair, Temporary Committee on the Alleged Use of European Countries by the CIA for the Transportation and Illegal Detention of Prisoners
WITNESSES:
Ms. Julianne Smith
Director and Senior Fellow, Europe Program
Center for Strategic and International Studies***Mr. Michael F. Scheuer
Former Chief, Bin Laden Unit
Central Intelligence Agency***Note: Witness has been added
Democrats
Bill Delahunt
Chair
Russ Carnahan
Missouri, 3rd District
Donald M. Payne
New Jersey, 10th District
Gregory W. Meeks
New York, 6th District
Joseph Crowley
New York, 7th District
REPUBLICANS
Dana Rohrabacher
Ranking Member
California, 46th District
Ron Paul
Texas, 14th District
Jeff Flake
Arizona, 6th District
yes, you can stream the conference. It is just getting started.
Delahunt is pissed off and he going off on Congress for allowing torture and doing nothing.
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Jonathan Evans, Member, European Parliament
Chairman, European Parliament Delegation for Relations with the United States
Claudio Fava, Member, European Parliament
Author, Report on the Alleged Use of European Countries by the CIA for the Transportation and Illegal Detention of Prisoners
Baroness Sarah Ludford, Member, European Parliament
Vice-Chair, Temporary Committee on the Alleged Use of European Countries by the CIA for the Transportation and Illegal Detention of Prisoners
WITNESSES:
Ms. Julianne Smith
Director and Senior Fellow, Europe Program
Center for Strategic and International Studies
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Dana Rorabacher appears to be arguing that it is impolite to refer to rendition as ‘torture by proxy’, that people have been renditioning people since at least, I think, 1589 or so, and that Europeans are whiny ass titty babies, and that patriotic Americans shouldn’t question torture by proxy.
People have also been gassing and bulldozing people since the 1940’s…so I don’t know what the big deal would be if we did it again now in, say, Iraq.
Mr. Jonathon Evans assures the committee that despite ranking member Rorabacher’s allegations he is not a vitriolic hater of all that is holy and American.
Mr. Evans thinks it would be kind of cool if, ya know, we didn’t lose sight of Democratic institutions and safeguards when fighting terrorism.
He also thinks Rorabacher is a dick for suggesting he doesn’t take terrorism threats seriously (paraphrasing).
Evans: opinion polling found 66% of Brits thought it likely rendition subjects had been tortured, and over 70% of Americans.
66% of Brits opposed to allowing CIA to use airspace. In Germany a majority, 48% in Poland.