Here’s my response to Matt Bennett of Third Way. It’s also a response to journalists like Joe Klein that call left-wing bloggers ‘extremists’. Bennett makes a fine case for moderation or centrism. But he doesn’t address the issue of combating radical Republicanism. How do we do that effectively?
If you want a $500/week raise, do you ask for $500, or $750? If a house is listed at $180,000 do you offer to pay $180,000 or $168,000? If you want to pull our troops out of Iraq, do you get bogged down in how to do it, or do you set the policy first and figure out the details later?
Let me be clear about this, because politics is the art of the possible. And after all the partisans get done foaming at the mouth, reasonable people have to sit down and work out a compromise. The problem, for a progressive, can be seen by an analogy about our $180,000 listed house.
If the Iraq War Supplemental bill is the house, then Bush was asking for $180,000, no strings attached…give him the money. Now, we had Dennis Kucinich over in one corner saying don’t even buy the house…offer nothing…walk away. And then we had people like Russ Feingold saying that the house wasn’t worth a dime over $150,000. And we had more ‘centrist’ Democrats offering $168,000. The problem came from people like Joe Lieberman that said we should pay the full price…hell, better even if we make it $200,000.
At the end of the day, we wound up buying that house at full listing price. And that’s what happens when moderates stake out the final goal as the negotiating stance. The goalposts move and progressives get screwed. We can take same way of looking at things and apply it to Bennett’s other talking points.
- We are pro-choice, but we also believe that progressives must acknowledge the moral complexity of abortion;
- We are strong advocates of sensible gun safety laws and policies, but we also believe that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to bear arms (a right that, like all rights, come with restrictions and responsibilities);
- We abhor the Bush tax cuts and economic policy, but we also believe that progressives must respond to middle class anxiety by offering not just an expanded safety net, but a ladder of opportunity for success;
- We believe this country must forcefully combat global warming, but we also believe that nuclear energy must be an important part of that mix; and
- We have always strongly opposed the Iraq War (from our founding in 2005 and, as individuals, from before the war began), but we also believe that progressives must have national security strategy that seeks to put us back on the offense against our nation’s real enemies: al Qaeda and its allies.
So, the Third Way is pro-choice but they insist that progressives must acknowledge the ‘moral complexity of abortion’. You know, Progessives are human beings. We are aware of the moral complexity of abortion. We don’t go around telling people that the personal decision to end a pregnancy has no freaking moral complexity. We tell people that it is none of their damn business whether someone else gets an abortion or not and that there is no law or series of laws that would outlaw abortion that could conceivably be enforced without immense privacy invasions that would essentially amount to state-sponsored terrorism. Okay? What purpose is served by constantly talking about how ‘icky’ abortion is? Answer: none. Less than none. Because you’ve just lost the moral high ground. You offered full list price. You want abortion safe, legal, and accessible? Talk about why you want that, not about how it troubles you.
Same goes for guns. The Second Amendment authorizes a militia. The Supreme Court doesn’t say it authorizes individual citizens to own a howitzer. That is why places like New York City have strict gun laws. When you say the Second Amendment ‘confers an individual right to bear arms’, you’re paying full list price. Either that, or you are just pandering. Personally, I am not a gun control guy, but I can tell you how to negotiate…and this ain’t it.
Same goes for the terrorists. Stop talking about them. Where are they? 19 guys, six years ago. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. You want a tough national security message? Here it is: I WON’T PISS MY PANTS. Okay? Tell people that. That’s a message. George W. Bush pissed his pants on 9/11. And he has been trying to get YOU to piss your pants ever since. Maybe he thinks if we’re all wet down there he won’t have to feel like such a girl. Who knows what goes on in that simian brain of his.
Here’s the deal. Let’s say you want something like universal single-payer health care or the end of the fricking hopeless clusterfuck in Iraq. Ask for it. Don’t ask for what is possible. Ask for what you fricking WANT. Here’s the reason why: you’ll get MORE that way. MORE of what you WANT. And sooner.
That is the problem with centrist media hogs and braindead thinktanks. They start out with a solution; they only think in terms of how it will all shake out. Do you see Republicans asking for compromise? No. They never do that. And they have been getting more than their fair share for a long time now. Bush’s 51% mandate got a hell of a lot, didn’t it? LEARN FROM IT.
I could never understand what happens to a person who gets elected to Congress and has a (D) next to their name. Do they lose all sense of what it takes to get what you want?
Maybe Democrats in Congress should contract out their negotiations with the opposition to people who go to flea markets. You’ll damn sure find some people there who can sweet talk the shirt off your back.
I’ve seen better negotiation skills at a yard sale than what we’ve seen so far this year.
Mike, the D is for Delirious.
I believe you’ve hit the nail on the head. Bravo.
maybe this enhances your posting Mr Boo. It appears the the Dems are going to not only support a bill supporting “ABSTINENCE ” but they will be asking for MORE funding than was available before! Now- I guess that if you want more you ask for more. Results don’t matter I guess and being voted into office for specific reasons don’t matter either.
Yup-??
Cuz this is crazy. Study after study shows that abstinence fails. The best it does is push the actual first time back six months or so. But they’re still doing it.
Every one of those points would be better if the “but” were replaced by an “and”. Pro-choice and moral complexity. Global warming and nuclear power.
I agree with your points on negotiating tactics. But I also think that the way these points are laid out is apologetic and negating. “We have this annoying unreasonable thing we want, but don’t hate us because we understand that the much more important point is this other, more ‘moderate’ thing.”
argument, see Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon. She’s calling it like it is and really pushing the envelope on taking back control of the debate from the sex is bad, women should be punished for having sex crowd.
Really good stuff. This post is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Wow, Koufax material. This and the Klein letter. You are on fire, Booman. Is this what you mean by “burned out”?
That same argument SHOULD have been applied to Supreme Court Justice nominations too. Because with each one, Bush pushed the envelope, and went further right…. because if Roberts could get approved with so little fuss, clearly he wasn’t demanding a high enough price for the house, so to speak.
Where as if the Democrats had put up serious RESISTANCE to Roberts, even if he eventually had been confirmed, then Bush would have never nominated someone as extreme as Alito. He’d have known where the line was.
As it is, Bush probably thinks Alito isn’t conservative enough. Heaven help us all if another seat becomes vacant before the next election, because even with a majority, I have no confidence in the Democratic Senate to know how to draw a real line. It’s not a question of keeping the powder dry, I think they forgot how to load the damned muskets.
So yes, absolutely. RIGHT ON, Booman. You do not enter into a negotiation — and that’s what politics is, constant ongoing negotiation — by letting the other side know up front what you’re willing to settle for… you go in expecting to have to give in on a few things, so you start high, let yourself be bargained down, and if you do it right, you get more or less what you want, and the other side thinks you’ve actually compromised.
“I won’t piss my pants”, that is the best anti-terror posture ever. I guess we could quote FDR instead, but promising not to piss our pants in the event of a terrorist attack, or hurricane…
We are so starved for Leadership in this country it makes that sound like a bold new policy.