Here is what I want to see in tonight’s Democratic debate from Nevada. Harry Reid is making a threat. If the Republicans filibuster the latest Iraq supplemental bill or the president refuses to sign it into law, Reid is going to make them pay for the war out of the regular Pentagon budget.
Democrats say that the Pentagon will be forced to fund the war through the $460 billion Defense Department spending bill that was signed into law this week if the White House and Republicans do not agree to a change in the course of the war. That has prompted strong concerns from the White House and the GOP, who say not providing either a portion or all of the $196 billion supplemental war funding request will make it increasingly difficult for the Pentagon to plan for and carry out the war.
“The days are over when the money is sent with no questions asked,” said Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the vice chairman of the Senate Democratic Conference.
The bill that the House passed has some useful things in it.
The strings included a requirement that troop withdrawals begin within 30 days, a narrowing of the mission to focus on counterterrorism and on training Iraqi security forces, and a goal of full withdrawal by mid-December 2008.
The bill would also require all American personnel, including C.I.A. operatives, to follow Army Field Manual rules on torture, among them a ban on waterboarding, an interrogation technique that simulates drowning without causing death.
Naturally, all or part of those strings can be stripped from the bill in conference but, for now, the legislation is fairly strong…particularly on ending torture.
When the candidates speak tonight, I want to see them back the leadership and commit to do everything in their power (if they are senators) to make sure they don’t turn Chuck Schumer into a liar.
I also want to have them all go on the record as opposing immunity for the telecommunications corporations. I want them to commit to lobbying Diane Feinstein on this issue. Lastly, I want them to take a stand on the enforcement of congressional subpoenas. Harriet Miers and John Bolton have been held in Contempt of Congress by the House Judiciary Committee. I want the candidates to commit to supporting whatever it takes to hold them accountable.
The candidate(s) that do all of the above will have my support, and the support of the vast majority of activists.
Not even going to bother. Talking points geared toward thirteen year olds interests me not.
there’s always the possibility of spontaneous combustion.
Now that I would watch.
I agree, nothing to see here but more empty posturing. Wait until summer to see if any of the gang is up to facing the chaos this country is descending into.
CNN needs to fire their camera operators. Oy
Obama is sticking to his guns on undocumented workers.
For drivers’ licenses:
Obama
Richardson
Kucinich
Against:
Clinton
Biden
Dodd
Edwards
Richardson wants to be the education president.
Didn’t Poppy say that twenty years ago?
Wolf Blitzer is a goddamn disservice to humanity.
Finally, a real issue. Pakistan.
Biden: I spoke to Musharraf and Bhutto before the president did.
Biden: will move to cut off F-16’s if Mushy doesn’t take off his uniform.
Wants to get away from a purely military relationship with Pakistan.
This seems somewhat contradictory.
Richardson: what happened with Pakistan policy is that we had our principles wrong. We told Mushy that security was more important than human rights.
Unless Mushy restores the constitution, the supreme court, allows Bhutto to run for office and fights terrorism, he would …. condition our support on those things.
Thinks a real election in Pakistan would only give jihadists 15% of the vote.
Edwards: control the frontier provinces, support Democratic reforms, keep eye on nuclear weapons.
Edwards will lead a long term effort to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
Obama: human rights and security are not incompatible. The more we see repression the worse we are going to be. And the more anti-Americanism we will see.
I’ll make sure that nuclear weapons don’t fall into the hands of extremists.
Dodd: National Security is number one issue. Be careful what you wish for, a lot of countries will have jihadists winning 85% of the vote.
DING DING DING
Correct answer.
more impressive all the time.
Clinton: agrees with Dodd. (Starts blaming Bush…yawn).
We have to say to Mushrarraf that this is not in your or our interest. Clinton asked for a high level envoy for Pakistan and Mushy agreed, but WH didn’t follow up.
New question on Iraq.
Richardson: surge is not working. Three of 18 benchmarks are met, 65% of Iraqis say it is okay to shoot Americans. Get the troops out in a year, no residual troops. We have a responsibility to help them achieve national reconciliation, with an Arab peace keeping force, with Arab nations helping to invest in rebuilding Iraq.
Kucinich: surge fuels the insurgency. I am the only one that voted against the war, and all funding for the war.
[Goes back to Pakistan] Our role of our aggression against Iraq contributed the problems in Pakistan.
Obama: Iraqis have made no progress. That’s why I will get our troops out. Highest casualty rate this year since the war started.
Kucinich asked a question about dangerous toys and full trade relations with China.
Uses question to blast Edwards for being a trial lawyer.
Kind of strange.
I think Kucinich was pointing out that Edwards was a products liability trial lawyer and therefore knows all about the issue of defective products.
Edwards just said that we will not fix the country if we replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats.
Hillary asked about NAFTA.
She thinks we need to ‘look at it’.
Hillary actually says NAFTA was a mistake ‘to the extent that it did not live up to what we hoped it would do.’
Dodd: nails Obama and Hillary for voting for the Peruvian free trade agreement.
Obama: supports Peru free trade but not CAFTA and Korea.
Biden: we can enforce this under WTO, what are all these people even talking about?
New question: what to do with nuclear waste?
Obama: doesn’t really answer the question…goes off on riff on energy policy.
Richardson: (no one is going to answer this question).
I think the ultimate blow off response at this point is to claim “worker and environmental standards”. Right now they are simply not enforceable so it’s a real straw man.
I also cannot believe Edwards did not condemn his vote on the China PNTR (trade deal).
If there was ever a horrific trade agreement, that is the one. We have almost 6% of GDP of trade deficits now and China basically can send this economy into a tailspin by simply dumping the dollars they hold. They hold our debt. It’s not a good place, economically or from a national security standpoint.
Campbell Brown: (to Hillary) why are you such a sissy?
Hillary: I’m not trying to play the gender card, I’m trying to play the winning card.
[She keeps saying this] I feel very comfortable in the kitchen [she has to stop saying that].
Hillary has a great moment in the debate talking about the meaning of running for president as a woman.
Clinton has a new solution to taking tough questions, she has her supporters boo loudly.
That line about her opponents using Republican attack lines just ticks me off.