You tell me which direction the shot came from.
Meanwhile, Gerald Ford, a member of the Warren Commission:
“confirms the role of the CIA in hiding and destroying information regarding the assassination and rebuts critics and conspiracy advocates but contends with interesting specificity that Oswald was the only shooter.” But his publisher, who argued with Ford over what should be included in this book and who worked minute-by-minute, the many drafts and final, published words along with the late president, disagrees.
“There was a conspiracy to kill John F. Kennedy,” says Tim Miller, CEO of FlatSigned.com. “There is no doubt that President Gerald Ford knew more about the JFK death. There is no doubt President Clinton knows more. Has he or any other US President since November 22, 1963 ever swore under oath that they know no more?”
And, let’s not forget:
And a transcript of a telephone call FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover made to President Johnson just six hours after the plane arrived in Dallas supports the belief that FBI agents listened to a tape that suggested an impersonation.
“We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy using Oswald’s name,” Hoover told Johnson, according to a transcript of that call released in 1993. “That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there.”
They covered that up pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Sweet Jeebus, it IS the Illuminati!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
If the Illuminati you are referring to is the light bulb in your head, it hasn’t gone on yet.
Go here:
http://southofheaven.typepad.com/south_of_heaven/2007/11/november-22-osw.html
and you can see pictures of three Lee Harvey Oswalds who existed before the assassination.
Unless you spell Illuminati with a “C,” “I,” and “A” you are a fool.
http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/147/
There are a lot of curious facts surrounding Oswald. It just screams spook to me. Interesting to hear what Ford has to say.
It’s been years since I’ve been familiar with these facts.
They second part of your post refers to someone impersonating Oswald in the Mexico City embassy of the Soviet Union? Right? Wasn’t there also some other corroborating evidence that Oswald was somewhere else at the time?
They other evidence linking Oswald to a Cuban-related socialist group (I think this was the group-its been years) was equally weird.
Means you’re involved in some weird shit when people are impersonating you and trying to tie you to certain groups. . . .
SFHawkguy, there’s a book, HARVEY AND LEE by John Armstrong, which tracks parallel L.H. Oswalds, apparently an intelligence okey doke to get a spy into the Soviet Union, from the mid-fifties on. It’s remarkable, one guy in this school, one guy working someplace else, one guy in New Orleans while the other is in Japan. There is even a third guy who looks nothing like the other two Oswalds (who had similar faces but one was bigger, with a bull neck, than the guy arrested) who was claimed by the CIA to have been visiting the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City two months before the assassination while another Oswald was in New Orleans and another was in Fort Worth.
In fact, the official story falls apart when examined. For one little piece, Oswald allegedly bought an Italian Mannlicher-Carcano mail order from Klein’s Sporting Goods. Except that the Mannlichers they were selling were the 36-inch model and a 40-inch model was recovered. The day that Oswald allegedly bought the mail order for the rifle he was working all morning. He would have had to have slipped out of his office without being seen, go to the main Dallas Post Office, buy the money order he used, walk miles across town to mail it in the district where it was postmarked, then walk back to his job. Then the envelope arrived allegedly arrived, by regular mail, from Dallas to Chicago the next day. That didn’t happen in the sixties. Then the money order itself was never endorsed. That is, no one ever cashed the money order.
Funny, ain’t it? Must be the Illuminati, eh?
Look at the geometry of the single bullet. A perfect line from the fifth floor of the Depository, through Kennedy’s neck through Connally’s back and into his wrist.
Your Zapruder film is very poor. Look at the enhanced versions and it’s as clear as it can be that there’s no visible damage to the back of Kennedy’s head. The right SIDE of his head exploded when the bullet exited there after entering the back of his head.
As to Hoover’s confusion – he also said that the President was shot at the corner of Elm and Commerce Streets, he advised the chief of the Secret Service that a Secret Service agent had been killed, and he said that Oswald ran into two police officers a block from the Depository and killed one of them.
These misstatements from Hoover don’t get attention from the conspiracy buffs because it doesn’t move the ball for them.
Just like GWB. Cherry-picking the evidence.
I’ll let the viewers be the judge.
Hoover got some facts wrong early on, that was to be expected. He didn’t get the tapes and photos wrong.
Gawd, you even speak like a spook. The use of the term “buff” is a sure sign of a spook, as is pretending to speak for the conspiracy side and what they believe.
Ed J believes in magic. Essentially he believes that an investigation can come out right even after it is fixed from the beginning. Katzenbach and LBJ can explain what the investigation will find within 48 hours, and they’ll find that because it is true.
I don’t suggest the sorcery of a shooting without a weapon or ammunition.
I don’t live in a world of witchcraft where killers do their dirty business amid thousands of people and then vanish into the ether like a puff of smoke.
What magic changed the 36-inch Mannlicher-Carcano Oswald allegedly bought into a 40-inch MC that was found in the Book Depository?
What magic stopped the magic bullet in midair for a couple of seconds, allowing Connally, who was waving at the crowd with his hat, to turn around, see JFK was shot, and then get hit?
What magic allowed Oswald to be in three places at once in September 1963?
You don’t believe in magic, Ed. You just believe what you’re told. That’s rather pathetic.
Oswald was watched by the FBI and the CIA for years before the JFK assassination. He wasn’t a loner. He was repeatedly meeting with people with CIA connections. There were files kept on him, including in the Counter Intelligence division of the CIA, the place where counterspies are monitored. He was participating in provocations that were part of CIA and FBI programs.
Is that the Oswald you believe in?
Ed J, first off, it’s not perfect geometry from the fifth floor. Second, Oswald was supposed to be on the SIXTH floor. Third, people in Dealey Plaza smelled cordite, meaning at least some of the shooting was done there. Fourth, lots of people in the Plaza thought that shots came from the Grassy Knoll. Fifth there was a second and a half between JFK’s wound and Connally’s, sixth, doctors at Parkland confirmed that the back of JFK’s head was blown off in an exit wound, seventh, shots occurred two close together to have been fired by the same bolt-action Mannlicher-Carcano. We can go from 8th to 8,000th some other time.
After George Washington, the Presidency has been all about power and money.
What kind of ego would allow a person to believe they have the right to lead others?
Do I believe that power and money would cause men to conspire and kill? Yes, I do!
Will we ever know the Truth? Doubtful…
meagert, you can know a lot more than what you know now. There is plenty of information out there.
I was just going to crosspost similar sentiments. Still will, I think. It’s important.
so BooMan – who do you think was involved in the conspiracy and cover up? i haven’t studied the matter for myself (thinking it would take too long to sort through the bs), but would be very interested in your speculations.
selise, it was the same people who assassinated world leaders and/or had coups throughout the world post-WWII: the CIA.
To understand the dynamics you have to understand what the CIA is. It is an organization, at its founding consisting of businessmen and rabid militarists whose purpose who to benefit their own interests, not necessarily anything “American.” It shouldn’t be a surprise to see that the CIA has involved itself in places where U.S. business needed an assist. Guatemala, for United Fruit. Iran, for oil. On and on.
So it’s no surprise that the assassination occurred in Texas. Even now, after running the U.S. all these years, when they are exposed for what they are, shown for their corruption, their repeated lawlessness and what their true intentions are, people are still making excuses for them.
impossible.
I SHOULD have known it at the time–as it was, I wondered vaguely about it.
Later I studied basic physics formally (you know: Newton and all that) as part of my education.
There is no doubt whatever: Three bullets from the book depository COULD NOT have done it.
The book depository theory violates the Law of Conservation of Momentum, for one thing.
This is basic. The official story is a LIE: A falsehood told deliberately and knowingly.
From the FACT that the official story is a LIE, you can deduce many other things with confidence.
“Conspiracy theorists” may get far off-base about the finer details of the conspiracy–for there are many false clues. About the existence of a conspiracy: Again, no doubt whatever.
Gaianne, there are many false clues, which suggests that there is someone leaving the false clues.
Actually, while it’s clear that the official story is untrue and impossible, counting cartridge cases is a pretty minor part of the importance of the assassination. When an assassination occurs the assassins make sure to place someone in power whom they can control, if not one of their own. LBJ could be controlled because of his corruption. Nixon was an ally of the CIA. Ford was known as the CIA’s friend in the House of Representatives. Reagan was a pitchman for a CIA program in the early fifties that imported Nazis and fascists into the US. George Bush is CIA. George Bush is son of CIA. Certainly, Carter was undercut by the CIA (read Robert Parry). There is some discussion that Bill Clinton had a relationship with the CIA going back to when he was a student who went to the Soviet Union.
Before Gloria Steinem was a feminist she was a CIA asset (go ahead and google it: “Steinem, CIA, Redstockings”). If you can own the leadership you can own the movement.
Assassins have a reason for the assassination, and they have goals for the country after the assassination. If you think of where America is now versus where we were pre-1963 you can get a better idea of the constituency behind the assassination.
Gaianne, there are many false clues, which suggests that there is someone leaving the false clues.
Yes.
And when you realize the range of people who had to be bought off (or otherwise persuaded)–the Kennedy family, the Chief Justice of the United States just to mention two–you realize the extend and power of a conspiracy that could muster that level of persuasion.
On the face of it the key players were the Air Force, the CIA, and the Mafia, with the CIA being crucial and central.
But as to trying to untangle the web of who actually did what, that is not my area.
In looking at the arc of American politics from the early 1960s to today, it is fairly clear what the coup was supposed to accomplish, and that it was essentially successful. I am sure that future historians will date the end of American democracy as 1963, not the year 2000 or 2001.