[Crossposted from Progressive Historians]
It’s the anniversary of the Kennedy assassination again. While I have much to be thankful for this year and all the years of my life, November 22 is a sad anniversary because not only was an intelligent, peace-minded leader killed, but more importantly, an important part of our history was almost permanently destroyed in the process.
Jefferson Morley, a newsman from the Washington Post, takes on, today, a number of myths those who wish to quash discussions of conspiracy like to use. This particular myth is especially salient to the folks who visit this blog:
Myth #3: No reputable historian believes in a JFK conspiracy
Wrong. I know of four tenured academic historians who have written directly on the JFK assassination in the past five years. Three of them (Gerald McKnight of Hood College, David Wrone of the University of Wisconsin-Steven Points, Michael Kurtz of Southeast Louisiana University) came to conspiratorial conclusions, while one (Robert Dallek of UCLA) vouched for the lone gunman theory. A forthcoming book by Naval War College historian David Kaiser on Kennedy’s Cuba policy and the assassination, to be published by Harvard University Press next year, is likely to demolish this myth once and for all. (Full disclosure: Kaiser is a friend and the book will cite my JFK reporting.)
One of the researchers I most respect because his data and sources always check out is Jim DiEugenio, with whom I collaborated on Probe magazine for a number of years. Jim’s been raving to me about historian Gerald McKnight’s book on the case, Breach of Trust. McKnight’s book is stunning in that it shows, through the Warren Commission’s own documents, instances of deliberate deception. We can now read their thought processes, thanks to Oliver Stone’s film JFK, which caused such a public outcry that the JFK act was passed, forcing the long overdue release of records from the Warren Commission’s investigation, among other documents.
One of the most interesting chapters is on the Warren Commission’s fear when evidence surfaced that Oswald was possibly an informant for the FBI, the CIA, with an emphasis on the latter. J. Lee Rankin, the Commission’s General Counsel and one of its strongest voices, penned in a memo that Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade “was aware of an allegation to the effect that Oswald was an informant for the CIA and carried Number 110669,” a number which was consistent with the CIA’s system of indentifying informants. The conversations the Commission held about the issue of Oswald being an agent or asset of the CIA’s were some of the most closely held documents of the investigation. Far from a group of honorable men seeking the truth, as Gerald McKnight’s study shows, you see men eagerly seeking ways to keep the lid on the evidence of conspiracy. Years later, Rankin swore falsely in relation to these records just to keep them from coming to the public, presumably for reasons he stated during his stint on the Commission:
…if that was true [that Oswald was working in some capacity as an intelligence asset] and it ever came out and could be established, then you would have people think that there was a conspiracy to accomplish this assassination that nothing the Commission did or anybody could dissipate.
For the evidence that Oswald was, in fact, of deep operational interest to the CIA, and likely employed by them, please see former intelligence officer and historian John Newman’s heavily documented book Oswald and the CIA. No wonder Rankin was frightened.
At any rate – read Morley’s full piece if you don’t want to repeat the same untruths about the case that so many blindly accept from ignorance.
Thanks Lisa,
I was 18 when JFK was murdered. My father worked behind the scenes for the Kennedy family so I got to know them personally. I look at this, but still have a tendency to “walk softly”. Ted Kennedy is my Senator, and he suffered a lot emotionally as his 3 older brothers were killed. (Joe Jr was skilled in WWII).
Many criticize Ted for “walking on the wild side for years”, but I always wondered how these “judges” would respond if that many deaths were prevalent within their own families.
Always enjoy your work – but this one is very special to me.
Thank you, Grandma M. And I share your compassion. I cannot speak ill of any Kennedys, seeing how much they have been made to suffer. Who among us would have chosen better?
Btw – Max Holland wrote a dumb op-ed in the New York Times on the anniversary, changing the facts to fit the scenario he desires. I link to his piece, and refute it, over at the Real History Archives. You can find that piece here.
Much that was odd a the time now seems routine.
For example, very quickly, in just a few days, Lee Harvey Oswald was not only fingered as the lone gun-man, but came complete with a very peculiar (official) backstory.
Specifically, that he denounced the US, moved to Russia, was welcomed with enthusiasm and a high paying job, married a Russian woman, got bored with the Soviet Union, moved back to the US, where he was received with enthusiasm and promptly forgotten about, while he began organizing “Fair Play for Cuba” committees.
Does any of this sound plausible? Does any of it even make sense? But it was what we were supposed to believe.
For those who do not know: In the late 1950s and early 1960s it may well have been possible for an American to defect to the USSR and be warmly welcomed, the problem comes with the de-defection BACK to the US, which, if possible at all, would have led to a long stay with the State Department while they pondered whether or not to press criminal charges (numerous legal categories) while wringing out every least scrap of information about what you were doing while in Russia. Beyond that, you would not be forgotten about, ever.
Reasonable explanations about Oswald include that he was a double agent, both sides, advancing a collusion of military interests, or contrary-wise, that he was always an American agent, who only pretended to defect, and was later extricated.
There seem to have been two plans for projecting blame: Firstly, on to the Soviets, and secondly (since that could lead to war and the main faction did not want that) to allow the Soviet smear but then undercut it with confusion so that a sentiment for war would not grow.
Why “odd at the time but now routine”? Because on the face of it, Oswald’s story made no sense, was actually impossible (because of international politics of the time), and yet for emotional reasons was what we were supposed to believe. The built-in absurdity made it unusual for a government pronouncement. Nowadays, government announcements are routinely absurd.
you’ve overstated your case somewhat. I don’t remember specifically, but after the assassination they put together a list of every American that defected to Russia and then undefected. It was a surprisingly high number. Something like 54. And that was just in the 1950’s.
Once I thought about it it made more sense. The Soviet Union was romanticized by a not insignificant number of idealists and romantics. But it totally sucked to live there. It was a completely rational reaction to want to undefect.
And it happened a lot more than you probably knew.
On the other hand, Oswald was closely watched. He had several run-ins with the FBI, the CIA had a SIG file on him (which meant that he either an agent or suspected of being an agent), and he was almost definitely watched by the KGB because he spent a lot of time with the Russian exile community in Dallas. He did not go unmonitored.
The Cubans were spying on him, he was spying on the Cubans.
And what we know for certain is that LBJ decided on his first full day as president that he did not want to know the truth, he wanted to make sure the Communists didn’t get blamed for it. Meanwhile, the Cuban-exiles, and elements in the government wanted to blame it on the commies. LBJ thought that would lead to nuclear war…so he told them what their investigation would find before they even started their investigation.
The rest flowed from that.
Here’s the best essay I’ve read about people’s need to conjure conspiracy theories. It’s written by Mel Ayton. I’ll extract a little here but the whole thing should be read by all conspiracy buffs:
And:
There is much more and you should really read the piece in it’s entirety, but here’s the last paragraph:
Daniel Pipes?
Looks like the poster Ed J has shot himself in the foot citing Daniel Pipes.
If one looks at all the assassinations that have traumatized us starting with JFK,two facts stand out:
1.The people who have been assassinated are all what can be described as left wing,peace loving individuals who stood in the way of the reactionaries in our society.
2. The assassins are almost,to a man or a woman, portrayed as disturbed loners.
Probability Theory will tell you that this sort of high correlation in disconnected events is not credible unless there was an external agency orchestrating the events.
Daniel Pipes or for that matter, Mel Ayton are advancing a notion, as Israeli sympathizers, of the US as being a benign power.That suits their current agenda well.Any different perception of the US as a predatory power in alliance with another Mideast power does not conform to their thinking.And, that thinking is on display in many articles by Pipes.He has also attacked Professors at many universities for being “anti-semitic”.Ayton’s appearance with David Horowitz is of a similar character.
John Kennedy may not have been a left winger in terms of economic policies but his intiative establishing the Peace Corps, Head Start and other programs for the poor endeared him to the poor.He solidified this support by pulling back from the brink of nuclear war and refused to mount military expeditions on Cuba after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. This is the kind of act that makes him a symbol for left leaning peace advocates.
Clear, Concise English.Correlation means that so called disconnected events can be shown to have a connection.Probability Theory shows that a pattern can be established using attributes common to such events.I listed two.There are more.The assasins may have had nothing in common except their characterization as psychopathic loners.When you have tow or more events carried out on targets identified by their political beliefs by these assassins,one can calculate the probability of such events being random or orchestrated events.Theb total number of such events and the fact that all the assassins wer described as “loners” makes it highly plausible to consider these events as interconnected and orchestrated.
Actually – it was precisely Kennedy’s liberal economic policies that made him clash with the ruling elite in this country.
Kennedy railed against the greedy steel industry executives.
Kennedy started the Alliance for Progress as a way to offer financial aid to third world Latin American countries via government to government loans, allowing them bypass the normal private bank to government loans they had been saddled with, loans that made them subject to the whims of Rockefeller, Morgan, and other financial interests. (The Alliance was grossly perverted from its original mission after Kennedy’s death. But that was the original, clearly stated intent.)
Kennedy was a leftist, indeed. See Donald Gibson’s excellent book “Battling Wall Street” for a study in how the president went against the establishment elite, sought to reduce war, seek rapproachment with the Soviet Union, sought to reach beyond bank to government loans in Latin America and offer government to government loans, which pissed off the right-wing banking establishment.
It’s a shame you won’t read excellent books like David Talbot’s “Brothers” or Gibson’s, or any of a number of others. Or is your reading guided by a third party?
Perfect.
Don’t comment on the contents of the article. Don’t try to point out where it’s factually or logically incorrect.
This is the very essence of conspiracy dogma. Ignore everything that hurts your case and cherry-pick anything you think helps.
Because you seem bent out of shape by my not commenting on your post, I will do so.
To see how correlation comes about from seemingly unconnected events, look at Mel Ayton’s paper.First, he is connected to David Horowitz, a rightwing reactionary of the worst kind, who goes about intimidating Professors on campus who are not overtly sympathetic to the Israeli version of events in the Middle East.Second, in his article, he approvingly quotes Daniel Pipes who is possessed of the same demons that David Horowitz is.
I would say that Mel Ayton is not too far off from these two.
It is my belief that any attck on the US motivations, the undermining of the US power structure’s benign nature does not suit these Israeli imperialists.So they go about rehabilitating the tattered US image.
Mel Ayton is in the same mold as Gerald Posner and others who have deliberately chosen to support the CIA’s version of history, rather than the accurate one.
Ask yourself why Ed J only shows up to discuss this particular topic. I believe it’s because he’s stationed here to do just that.
Lisa-
Ed makes other comments and it is not right to just accuse him of working for the Agency with no proof.
You should say, “with no evidence” because one can never prove anyone works for the agency unless the agency admits it. I have evidence. I can never have proof unless the CIA were to reveal its assets. And even a Congressional and Senate investigation of the CIA’s assets in the media failed to get the agency to give up the names of its assets.
So if you are making a rule that, without proof, such belief and speculation must be avoided, I will abide by that. But it is an impossible standard to ask for proof.
I believe, however, there is enough evidence to accuse him of agency involvement, because in my 15 years in the case, when I’ve seen people behaving as Ed has, I have been able to link them very directly to intelligence agencies.
Here’s the short list:
I could go on, but why bother? Until you’ve lived this for years like I have you will not be persuaded there’s a repeatable pattern. But Ed’s posts read to me as if they come right out of a plastic mold. I’ve heard these arguments before, and seen them rebutted years ago.
So let me know what your policy is. Can one not speculate? I believe he’s here to put out deliberate disinformation. That’s my 15-year informed opinion on the matter. It doesn’t make it a fact, but it does add balance and perspective to his comments, I strongly feel.
I don’t think you should accuse someone of being in the hire of an intelligence agency based on nothing more than pattern recognition and intuition.
Ed J has been a member here for a long time and has participated in many threads wholly unrelated to the Kennedy assassination. That’s enough for me to be skeptical that he has some hidden agenda.
I think he’s, at a minimum, willfully ignorant and trollish in his participation in Kennedy threads, but I’d stick to rebutting his comments, or dismissing them, as the situation warrants.
Trollish indeed. He hasn’t published a diary since 2005. And of course he’d have to participate in some threads to maintain cover if he is a spook.
I can’t prove he is. But he fits a pattern to a T.
For an intelligent person who seems well informed on many other topics, Booman, I would probably describe your take on the Kennedy assassination as “willfully ignorant”.
If it’s “trollish” for one to disagree with what seems to be the CW on your site, call me a troll. I hope you don’t want to be preaching to the choir all the time, but if you do, it’s your site.
I’ve never been one to be pigeon-holed. Most of my opinions would be categorized as far-left (I’d rather see a war-crime tribunal for Bush than impeachment) but on some issues I could be compared to what used to be called a “Rockefeller Republican” (excepting the drug laws, of course).
As to “Real History” Lisa, to be honest, I’ve never taken her seriously. She’s accused me of being in the CIA before and I’ve asked her to call them and find out what’s happening to my checks – they must be getting lost in the mail. She seems to see conspiracies everywhere. Please don’t ask her to stop making the irrational charges – just ask her to find me those checks.
Ed J, based on your prior unwillingness to engage in an honest open-minded debate, I hesitate to even respond to you. But you said I’m ‘willfully ignorant’, so let me explain why I do not believe Oswald acted alone, and that he may not have even have acted at all. I’m going to just use a cut and paste job here, for brevity’s sake.
Now, Ed…
That is just the starting point. We can argue about forensic details and many other matters, but the Warren Commission came to a conclusion that was foreordained. It would remarkable if that foreordained conclusion also happened to be the truth.
Lee Harvey Oswald never went to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City?
Actually, it was CIA officer David Atlee Phillips who said that first. In a debate with Mark Lane, Phillips said:
Pretty stunning admission, which a reporter caught on tape. π
to the Cuban embassy either. Right?
Have you read the latest version of the Lopez Report?
It’s uncertain, but the evidence is irrefutable at this point that an impostor DID go to the Cuban embassy as well as make phone calls both in spanish (which Oswald didn’t speak) and in broken Russian (which Oswald spoke fluently.
Also, since you are interested, read up on the quite independently interesting motion detector pulse photo and electronic surveillance that captured someone other than Oswald entering the embassies and then how they had to erase all evidence of that to satisfy Johnson’s main directive.
The evidence that Oswald was being set up?
“The thing I am most concerned about, and Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so that they can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.” (11/24/63)
There’s more, but it’ll do for now.
Oswald went to Mexico City for some reason two months before the assassination and while he was there there were people (at least one) impersonating him, making it look like he was in contact with a KGB assassination’s expert.
That is established know beyond any reasonable doubt. It’s also established that the government covered this up and made a decision to do so immediately.
Yet, you still insist that Oswald is the shooter, the lone shooter, and not the ‘patsy’ he claimed to be. I don’t know the answers, but you are quite smug to think you know either.
Silvia Duran, who processed Oswald’s visa request, positively identified him. She stapled a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald, the real and only one, to his application. Handwriting experts confirmed that the application contained Oswald’s signature. When he was told that he could not get a visa immediately he became agitated and angry…almost crying…never friendly…accused them of being bureaucrats. In short, he acted just like who he was, Lee Harvey Oswald. Think about it. Would an impostor have called attention to himself increasing the probability that people would remember him and know he wasn’t Oswald? Oswald told his wife about his visit to the “two embassies” and complained about the “bureaucrats” he had encountered. Silvia Duran’s name and the phone number of the consulate (11-28-47) were found in Oswald’s possessions at the time of his arrest. The same piece of paper had the phone number of the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City (15-61-55). How much fuckin’ evidence are you looking for?
And here’s the kicker. Oswald went to the Soviet Embassy directly from the Cuban embassy – it was two blocks away. If Oswald made the first stop, how was the impostor to know he was walking those two blocks at that precise time? And how the hell did he prevent the real Oswald from every getting to the Soviet embassy?
He couldn’t and he didn’t.
I know I’m wasting my time. You’ll say everyone lied and the evidence was planted.
Bullshit.
in the link I supplied you it addresses Duran’s physical description of Oswald and the fact that she swore the embassy was not open on Saturday.
If you want just a straight forward narrative on this, try this. It’s brief, succinct, factually accurate, and it doesn’t go beyond the known facts.
Unless you are willing to acknowledge these facts, it will do no good to explore other areas.
You gotta be kidding. There’s not a fact in sight.
You nitpick. That’s all you can do because you have no facts. I can’t give a good physical description of people I’ve known for years. You don’t want to go into the rest of Duran’s testimony, do you?
You’ve told me before that you don’t think I want to engage in honest debate. But now that I have addressed the “second Oswald” allegation:
Honest debate? See it my way or I don’t participate? Lincoln and Douglas would be proud.
point out a single fact that Newman has wrong in the article, or that is really even in dispute? The memos exist, the transcripts exist.
Or, if you don’t want to do that, address what I am saying and not what you’ve read someone else saying.
I am not claiming that Oswald didn’t go to Mexico City, nor that he didn’t ever visit the Cuban and/or Russian consulate. I am stating as a matter of fact that the FBI and Hoover in particular was of the opinion that the Oswald they had (now missing) audio tapes and photos of, was not the Oswald they took into custody.
I know that Katzenbach said that the job of the investigation was to convince the American people that the Oswald they had in custody not only was the gunman, but the lone gunman, and that he had no operational relationship with the Soviets or Cubans, and that they had a tight enough case that had he not been killed he would have been convicted at trial.
I know that LBJ said the same thing.
So, rather than try to figure out what the truth is about the crime scene, I take them at their word that they went about producing a case to fit the desired outcome without regard for the truth.
I don’t even dispute that they may have had only the best motives for doing so. But those are the facts. And if you can’t acknowledge them, then this isn’t a debate.
Now imagine five years of such resistance to fact. That’s what I faced in alt.conspiracy.jfk.
You’re doing great. Ed J has shown himself impervious to the bulk of the evidence. If I’m right about him, that’s deliberate, of course.
Let’s not forget too that the other guy at the Cuban Embassy, Eusebio Azcue, said the guy shot by Jack Ruby in Dallas was NOT the guy he saw in the Cuban embassy. What makes that all the more believable is the CIA’s response to that. AFTER the Warren Report had been published, BEFORE the conspiracy erupted in 1966 with the publication of the Zapruder film frames, i.e., at the quietest time in the CIA’s history, David Phillips and Angleton were concerned about Azcue. Someone in that circle even noted that since Azcue would be passing through their area, maybe they should get him drunk and talk about Oswald. Pretty interesting if they had nothing to hide, isn’t it?? π
Ed – you’ll have to deal with your employer yourself. π
You may want to remember this quote from the horse’s mouth:
“Senator, anyone who is anyone in the media is either directly or indirectly controlled by the CIA”— William H.Colby testifying under oath to the Church Committee.
That tells me that anyone who spins a tale favorable to the PTB has the burden of proof resting on his shoulders.He is not someone who can have the presumption of innocence that we accord to people who are accused by the powerful of commiting crimes.
Do you know who Pipes is and why he might be invested in fighting against conspiracy theories?
Never mind Pipes.
I’ve never seen you address anything anyone has raised with you on this subject, except to cite programs you have seen on television.
Your analysis seems to be focused entirely on Dealey Plaza, with no emphasis whatsoever on the issues surrounding Oswald prior to that day, or to the evidence that has been uncovered that the Warren Report came to a preordained conclusion.
Until you are willing to address people on the merits there isn’t much point discussing Daniel Pipes’ ambition to beat back conspiracy theories.
The fundamental issues are:
Those are just some of the major issues that need to be answered before we even get to the magic bullet theory.
I’d remind you that LBJ, RFK, Nixon, and Ford have all expressed the opinion that there was a conspiracy. Ford defends the theory that Oswald was the sole shooter, but maintains that the CIA destroyed evidence. Nixon threatened to expose CIA complicity as blackmail during the Watergate break in.
Is it crazy to think there was a conspiracy when the presidents of the time all agree that it was?
and has nothing to do with whatever he may be invested in.
Your reply to my comment addresses nothing in the article I cited. Your complaint seems to be that you wanted my original post to address what you wanted addressed. Isn’t this what YOUR posts are supposed to do?
As for what I’ve seen on TV – let me know when you’ve read Bugliosi’s 2,500 pages. I’ve read them. I’ve also read more than enough of the conspiracy theorists to recognize their common thread. They nitpick at small errors in the Warren Report and conclude from those that the whole thing must be bogus.
It’s a common human failing, but we should fight it as illogical and unscientific.
In the time I have had, I have roughly calculated the probability that all the assassinations could have had as their targets left leaning politicians and all the assassinations were carried out by psychopathuic loners. The probablity comes out to 1 in one trillion.
This says that these events were not isolated events at all but had some orchestration.
Now don’t go about telling me and Booman that science is OK but mathematics isn’t.
When you don’yt have any idea who you are quoiting as your source and want us to ignore it and to focus on the few words you present as your Potemkin charade of a post, you will invite ridicule from those of us who know these charalatans you so lovingly quote.
Can you let us in on the mathematical formulae you utilized to obtain these odds?
Any elementary statistics and probability theory text will teach you how.The fact you don’t know anything about these ideas is quite clear.When you read up on these concepts come back.
In fact, my calculations are very conservative and it is likely that the probability is even lower if my sample size was larger.As in if I had taken the populations of the US,Mexico and Canada together.
And having read Bugliosi’s book, I’m sure you can now comment accurately on John Newman’s excellent book “Oswald and the CIA,” right?
Wrong. Bugliosi didn’t even bother trying to refute it, because he couldn’t.
Ed,
Seeing as you decided to waste however months of your life reading Bugliosi’s anti-conspiracy screed, answer me one question, as simply as you can.
What is the evidence – cold, hard, provable evidence, that Oswald fired the shots that killed Kennedy that day?
Any one thing will suffice.
Mel Ayton is a cherry-picker! Yet you cite him. You aren’t opposed to cherry picking. You just want people to pick the rotten cherries!