Watching last night’s Republican YouTube debate was like experiencing a disturbance in the Force. It’s hard to put a finger on it, but everything seemed out of whack. Perhaps some of it emanated from the unusual format, but I don’t think that’s it. Something was wrong. Something was off kilter in the psychic universe.
The debate started with a question about immigration. It would soon become apparent that immigration is something of an obsession among rank and file Republicans…they really don’t like brown people. It isn’t that I didn’t already know this, but it isn’t something I am used to seeing displayed so flagrantly in an open forum…particularly one that is made up of people from one of the two American governing political parties. The last time I felt such a chill of National Socialism was during Patrick Buchanan’s Culture War Speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston.
It was clear that both Mike Huckabee and John McCain were pained to be a party to such a spectacle. Before it was his turn to respond, McCain was forced for some time to watch the other candidates vilify each other over their respective failures to deport enough brown people. It seemed like he had almost no energy left when he started to speak:
SEN. MCCAIN: You know, this whole debate saddens me a little bit because we do have a serious situation in America. In 1986, we passed a law that said we would enforce our borders and gave amnesty to a couple million people. We gave the amnesty, now we have 12 million people and still borders that are not enforced.
I came to the Senate not to do the easy things, but to do the hard things. Mel Martinez and I knew that this was going to be a tough issue, but we thought the status quo was unacceptable — broken borders, 12 million people here illegally, a need for a temporary worker program certainly in my state in the agricultural sector, certainly in the state of Florida. And we tried to get something done. We said we’d enforce the borders. The American people didn’t believe us. They don’t believe us because of our failure in Katrina, our failure in Iraq, our failures in — reining in corruption and out- of-control spending. So we tried and we failed.
It was a brief moment of reality in an otherwise sophomoric farce. But it was such a forlorn statement. It seemed almost desperation when he went over his time to try to infuse some humanity into a what was beginning to feel like a modern day Klan rally:
SEN. MCCAIN: But then you’ve still got two other aspects of this issue that have to be resolved as well. And we sit — we need to sit down —
MR. COOPER: Okay, time.
SEN. MCCAIN: — as Americans and recognize these are God’s children as well and they need some protections under the law and they need — (applause) — and they — they need some of our love and compassion.
MR. COOPER: Thank you, sir.
Perhaps realizing that compassion wasn’t the note to end on with with this crowd, McCain pressed on.
SEN. MCCAIN: And I want to ensure you that I’ll enforce the borders first, but as president of the United States, we’ll solve this immigration problem and we won’t demagogue it and we won’t —
MR. COOPER: Thank you.
SEN. MCCAIN: — have sanctuary cities and we won’t have all this other rhetoric that unfortunately —
MR. COOPER: Thank you.
SEN. MCCAIN: — contributes nothing to the national dialogue.
But that wasn’t the ‘have you no shame, sir’ moment that decent people were hoping for, because the immigrant bashing was far from finished. After McCain, it was Tom Tancredo’s turn and he was positively beaming at what he had observed.
REP. TANCREDO: Yeah, well, I tell you, this has been wonderful. I — and Senator McCain may not be happy with this — the spirit of this debate. As — for a guy who usually stands on the bookend — here — side and just listens all the time, that’s kind of frustrating, you know, in other debates. I have to tell you, so far it’s been wonderful — (laughter) — because — because all I’ve heard is — is — is people trying to out-Tancredo Tancredo. (Laughter.) It is great. I am so happy to hear it. (Applause.) It is a wonderful thing, and it’s a good message.
Somewhere another victim of the ovens was screaming out to make it stop. But it would not stop on this night. Eventually it was Mike Huckabee’s turn to explain why he supported a bill while he was the governor of Arkansas that allowed the children of illegal immigrants to qualify for merit scholarships to the state universities. Huckabee tried to explain common decency:
MR. HUCKABEE:…I supported a bill that would have allowed those children who had been in our schools their entire school life the opportunity to have the same scholarship that their peers had who had also gone to high school with them and sat in the same classrooms…
…Here’s what happened. This bill would have said that if you came here not because you made the choice but because your parents did, that we’re not going to punish a child because the parent committed a crime. That’s not what we typically do in this country. It said that if you’d sat in our schools from the time you’re 5 or 6 years old and you had become an A-plus student, you completed the core curriculum, you were an exceptional student, and you also had to be drug and alcohol free, and the other provision, you had to be applying for citizenship.
For a second brief moment, basic recognizable humanity ripped through the tapestry of hate…but it was not greeted well.
MR. ROMNEY: Well, you know, I like Mike, and I heard what he just said. But he basically said that he fought for giving scholarships to illegal aliens. And he had a great reason for doing so. It reminds me of what it’s like talking to liberals in Massachusetts. All right? They have great reasons for taking taxpayer money and using it for things they think are the right thing to do.
Mike, that’s not your money. That’s the taxpayers’ money. (Cheers, applause.)
Romney was disturbing all night. As he was a Massachusetts politician that had previously held semi-reasonable positions on many issues, I looked for any signs that Romney might have a shred of honor or good will towards men. It just wasn’t there. Romney has no inner grounding…his soul is an empty husk. He is worse than a wingnut. He an empty vessel…literally a haircut…acting like a wingnut.
The immigrant-bashing spectacle would finally end, but it was not a merciful end. And if you thought McCain could maintain a sense of honor…you were wrong. He gained a pulse on the subject of Iraq.
SEN. MCCAIN: I just want to also say that Congressman Paul, I’ve heard him now in many debates talking about bringing our troops home and about the war in Iraq and how it’s failed.
And I want to tell you that that kind of isolationism, sir, is what caused World War II. We allowed — we allowed — (cheers, applause, boos)
MR. COOPER: Allow him his answer. Allow him his answer, please. (Cheers, applause, boos.)
SEN. MCCAIN: We have — we allowed — we allowed Hitler to come to power with that kind of attitude of isolationism and appeasement. (Boos, cheers, applause.)
McCain wasn’t finished with the historical revisionism. He also blamed public opinion for the loss of the Vietnam War.
And so it went. The questions just kept coming in: do you support prosecuting woman that have abortions? Do you own a gun and can you describe it for us? Do you support the display of the confederate flag? Do you support gays in the military?
I turned to CabinGirl and said, “The next question is going to be about Jesus.” And I was right.
Q Hi. This is Tyler Overman from Memphis, Tennessee, and I have a quick question for those of you who would call yourselves Christian conservatives. The death penalty. What would Jesus do?
And that wasn’t enough.
Q I’m Joseph. I’m from Dallas, Texas. And how you answer this question will tell us everything we need to know about you. Do you believe every word of this book? (Shows a Bible.) And I mean specifically this book that I’m holding in my hand. Do you believe this book?
I felt like I was in Karbala, Iraq, watching a debate for the city council seats.
Rounding it all out was a question about waterboarding. Once again, John McCain displayed signs of full-blown homo sapienism. But it was hard to believe that I was witnessing an actual dispute over whether we should torture people.
Totally absent from this debate was any acknowledgment that Iraq is a failed state, or that Afghanistan is going to seed, or that we have environmental problems. Nothing was said about education or health care, and the mortgage meltdown, the value of the dollar, or the anything else that might be on the mind of a non-theocratic fascist fan of unending war, warrantless surveillance, and violations of human rights.
Bush was hardly mentioned, although his policies (excepting Ron Paul) were almost universally endorsed. It was the most impertinent debate I have ever witnessed, and yet its content was viewer driven. This was the crap that rank and file Republicans wanted to talk about. Or, at least, that is how CNN made it seem.
I couldn’t help thinking to myself that Republicans are from Mars and the rest of us are from Earth. Will the Republicans actually be able to make the presidential election about these side issues? Will the twenty-four percenters succeed in carving out fifty-percent of the debate?
The country is not healthy. It’s on the cusp of a major recovery…like a high 9/11 fever breaking. With the right luck, the people will see Guiliani for the 9ui11iani he really is…and the current incarnation of this dangerous party will meet its final end.
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”- Yoda
was sickening and scary at the same time…I just wanted to scream when they all tried to out-“pro-life” each other. And the fact that they were debating what constitutes torture, and whether we should follow the Geneva conventions just shows how far this country, the media, and the GOP have sunk – a subterrannean new low.
And I dread what might happen if it winds up being Hillary against Huckabee next November.
Nail meet hammer. My girlfriend and I sat through the whole morally decrepit spectacle and both thought the same thing : Huckabee frightens us the most as a candidate in the general because he comes across as the most reasonable and compassionate AND has the Christian conservative social credentials to woo that side.
I will say that Huckabee Presidency frightens me the least of all of them as a President (not that that is saying much). Believe me, I think he would be as bad as the rest of them on issues such as abortion and marriage equality, but I don’t think he has the straight up authoritarian tendencies that all of the others display (except Ron Paul, but he terrifies me for other reasons).
All the GOP candidates are running as Generic Dubya since the GOP home world still likes him. What is bothering you is a nagging sense of why the heck would anyone want to nominate another Dubya after all we’ve gone through.
Your mistake: assuming rationality from Republicans however perfectly reasonable the same sentiment is for the vast majority of Americans.
Put another way: they’re all running to become the next GOP sock puppet. That’s how Shrub did it.
Think of the campaign as the Miss Universe beauty pageant swimsuit competition run as a private boardroom party during the shareholders meeting.
In stag.
Hearing a bunch of privileged old white men telling me they know best what to do with my uterus was more than I could stomach.
I pretty much agree with everything you’ve written here. I note you didn’t mention Fred Thompson once which is a fairly accurate indicator of his performance.
I am going to stick by my prediction from an earlier posting. Mike Huckabee will be the Republican nominee. The fundamentalist, Christian wing of the GOP is going to rally around him. The media will continue to swoon over him and once the Christian cash cow starts dumping all the church-going dollars into his coffers, he will surge. His numbers in Iowa are improving daily. He will realize that he has to pull his punches a little on issues such as immigration in order to appeal to the nativist wing of the party and he will only be too happy to do it.
He is really the only one of the Republican candidates who can gather in all the disparate factions of the party to pull this off. No one else can energize the Dobson crowd. And for the Republicans to win in 08, they must have these people in the fold. Without them, the likelihood of success is remote.
I agree. On a personal level Huckabee is the only one that seems like a normal person. He is the type of candidates Iowans will like. I see him winning Iowa.
I’ve said all along that his appearance of “normalcy” is what makes him a potentially formidable foe. And that sense of normalcy will be all the pundits need to push his candidacy. The 08 election will again be framed within the media as the “faithful Republican” against the “faithless, fake Democrats” in order to try and make it about values. After Iowa there will be tremendous media-driven wave for Huckabee. The Dems will once again be forced to fight a defensive game around the faith issue. That is really the only thing the Republicans have to fight with at this point. And Huckabee is the only one that can pull that off. Everything else is an albatross around the GOP’s neck.
Well written and this captures my feelings as well.
One thing I was struck by is that all the Republicans are claiming to be the “real conservative” and are running to the right. Not one of them is explicitly or even implicitly making the argument that they will be more electable because they are more moderate.
This is the exact opposite of the Democrats. The Democratic candidates run away from their party’s liberal positions. I guess it shows the collective strength of each party.
The Republican candidates obviously have the courage to stand up for Republican values–even if those values are sinister, unpopular, and frightening(which BooMan describes well). The Democrats–well, at least they’re not as crazy as the Republicans.
Divide/conquer….Black/white….Alien/american….Good/evil….Us/them…..Profit/tax…..Private/p
ublic…..Domestic/foreign……Gay/straight….Christian/godless….Win/lose…..Liberal/conservati
ve. Simple thoughts for simple minds. BTW this stuff is tearing our nation apart.
I couldn’t watch it. Made me physically ill during the first few minutes so I turned off the tube and practiced my guitar.
I was thinking about you when they started their attack on immigrants, and wondered if you were watching, and how long you could possibly stand it.
The whole event was sickening.
I can appreciate that there are differences of opinion on the topic, but the way it gets discussed, especially among the hardline/nativist set, completely leeches out the humanity of the people that they are quick to roundup and deport.
It’s frustrating because I, and others, knew this was coming years ago and instead of fighting back against it forcefully, the Dems sort of carefully look at it from afar and let the right frame the debate in the most horrific of ways (and sometimes agreeing with/hardening those frames).
McCain and Huckabee seem sane, when really they are following the playbook that was given to them by Frank Luntz a couple of years ago. The quote from Tancredo last night is very telling as to how successful they’ve been.
Concern about illegal immigration is by no means limited to Republicans, racists and nativists. And it’s not always about hating brown people.
I’m a yellow dog democrat and African-American. America simply cannot absorb the endless flood from south of the border. The flood will never stop, at least not at the other end. I know they want a better life, but I can’t condone breaking the law to get it.
And make no mistake, illegal immigrants are taking jobs Americans want, like construction and in meat packing plants. I have watched as the traditionally African-American jobs in, for example, hotel housekeeping, have become overwhelmingly Latino jobs in many areas.
It might be different if we could create positive change by “regularizng” 10-12 million illegals. But nothing would change, more keep coming because for them, coming here is still the best deal in town.
We have to stop the flood. Legal immigrants are welcome. Illegal immigrants cannot be made welcome.
Yes, nuts have embraced this issue. And yes, I’m not comfortable with the company I’m keeping on this issue. That doesn’t make illegal immigration right.
When I start seeing the same levels of contempt, vilification and punishment for the corporations who are profiting off the desires of people for a better life as I do for the immigrants, then maybe we can begin to talk about this issue rationally.
What we are seeing right now, and especially among the majority of Republican candidates, is a straightforward and naked appeal to the racist vein which runs so deeply through the core of this country. Right now this is, first and foremost, about race and ethnicity.
It is not rational to act as though letting millions of illegal immigrants into the nation is going to solve anything. And I take a back seat to no one in my contempt for those who profit from this.
Trying to turn the debate into one on race and ethnicity is simply changing the subject, despite the fact that rascists have embraced the issue. America cannot absorb every impoverished person from Central and South America who wants to come here. It’s impossible. What makes you think we can?
My solution is actually border control and draconian employer sanctions. What’s your solution?
I am, like you, in full support of border control and the employer sanctions you cite. I don’t think we differ in that regard.
Where I have the most problem with the current discussion is how do we treat people who are already here, in the workforce, and with families they are supporting. There is more than a hint of the “round ’em all up and ship ’em back” mentality that is very prevalent in the discussion going on right now and that is just not a feasible option. And there is also this fallacious argument that is perpetrated by some that it just a simple matter for someone to “do it the legal way”. In this area the large influx of Hispanics has been met with an overarching suspicion and persecution based almost solely on the fact they are Hispanic. The propensity for a knee-jerk response to all things noncaucasian is rampant throughout the ranks of the Republican candidates and their discussions. That is what I fear most. That the mere presence of Hispanics, legal or not, stokes the racial fears of communities and is, more often than not, unjustified. There are rational ways to discuss and deal with this very complex problem but unfortunately most candidates want only to pander to the fear-mongers looking at every Hispanic as an illegal, lazy criminal. It is going to take some calm, cool and rational heads to keep this from slowly evolving into a racial and ethnic purging under the guise of “making our communities safer”.
And it is hard to deny that at its core there is a huge racial and ethnic component to this issue.
“And it is hard to deny that at its core there is a huge racial and ethnic component to this issue.”
I didn’t say race is not a factor; the issue has been embraced by racists of many stripes. But there is a lot more in play than race and ethnicity. Too often opposition to illegal immigration is being cast as racial bigotry, and the problems around allowing tens of thousands to enter the nation illegally every year are being ignored by those who shout “bigot”.
The fact that “most [Republican]candidates want only to pander to the fear-mongers” doesn’t change the truth. We can’t absorb everyone in Central and South America who wants a better life. It’s impossible. And that’s being left out of the debate.
From Weekly Standard
Ouch!!!