In my inbox, a misguided attempt to cheer me up:
Dear Martin,
Have you heard? We just won the Democratic caucuses in Nevada. You have done so much to make winning moments like this possible. Thank you!
People across the country are placing their faith in our campaign, especially those hardest hit by the recent downturn in the economy. We can’t let them down. We’re working together to bring about change, and America is responding to our efforts.
Thanks so much for sharing this remarkable journey with me!
All the best,
Hillary
Hillary Rodham Clinton
I think I signed a petition for her last year on some legislation. I’m gonna go hang out with Susie from Suburban Guerrilla. She’s funny.
count yourself lucky this time. She did not ask for money.
actually, she did. The Contribute button was right below the text.
just ignore.
In Nevada, last minute dirty tricks; someone did a good robo job on Obama. “Barack Hussein Obama”
Guess they’re writing off the Afro-American vote.
Bill is off the reservation: – Newsweek
“Half of likely voters nationwide said they would never vote for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, in a poll Zogby conducted Oct. 11-15, 2007, with a margin of error of +/- 1.0 percentage point.”
50 % will never vote for her. Great.
A the media and the commentariat will conclude that America has firmly rejected liberalism because they will not vote for Hillary.
hello? bloomberg…bloomberg…?
lTMF’sA
take this to the bank. That he’ll enter this race is now bankable.
GOP divided, desperate for a real candidate. Dems divided. In that scenario, Bloomberg-Hagel Wins. ….the Clintons will not return to the White House.
im getting a different idea out there
the 90 something jewish dad of a friend said he would be happy and astonished to see a woman become the president….he remembers when women got the vote….his daughter who is an edwards supporter said if hillary is the nomination she will vote for her….just to satisfy that feeling in her of having a woman elected.
so many women are pulling for hillary….they are willing to overlook a lot to get that satisfaction of having a woman elected….they feel comfortable with her….i read bitchphd and other womanist blogs and they all seem to be totally comfortable with a hillary vote.
one thing i will say about hillary…if the election is close and states are in play….she wont give up the way gore and kerry did….she actually does have a penis with teeth in it.
im getting tired of “the sky is falling” mentality on the so called progressive blogs about a hillary candidacy or presidency…to me senator casey is worse than president hillary.
You have a way with words.
and l don’t like senator salazar [dino-co]. but we’re dealing with ‘democratic’ voters, and in the primaries, dedicated ones at that.
the reality where l live is that the democrats, and especially the progressives…who btw are not all pleased with mark udall as the anointed candidate for allards’ vacating seat…are scared shitless about the lack of coattail a hillary led ticket will have. [yes, including the people running his campaign]
colorado, which was/is on the verge of turning blue, will not be a win in the d column in november if she heads the ticket; nor will most, if not all, of the mountain west.
ignore the electability caveat at your own risk…it’s very real, and she hasn’t got it here.
my 2¢ ymmv
lTMF’sA
how do we know who is electable?
polls?
the polls say edwards will beat all republican candidates but he is in the toilet in actual voting results.
if the democrats voting in primaries dont want him who does?
who is the more electable if we have a major terrorist attack? you think the rovians wouldnt pull that trick to get back on top?
i think people will go to the polls out of sheer disgust at what the republicans have wrought.
people dont usually vote for huge change…they like change….but they are more comfortable with small increments of change….i think that is what hillary represents in the macro view.
as for people being excited by obama and brought into the process by his charisma and message….they said the same about dean…but they VOTED for kerry.
you are underestimating the anti-Hillary vote. I have many progressive friends who have come around for Kerry, Gore, and Bill – but they are not budging on Hillary. I think many of us see a generational opportunity to elect a true progressive candidate.
The fraud that the Clinton campaign committed with the choice email in NH is going to come back to bite her. Some of the women who signed the misleading email are now protesting.
I think generally the country is tried of the Clinton scandals. I used to be a big Clinton fan. Hillary lost me on the war votes.
I m not sure a Clinton presidency wouldbe all that bad, either. The Clinton’s are not Rep. Lite, as people say they are. They’re pure pragmatists.
During the Gingrich uprising in congress they began to drift right as the prevailing political winds of the country began to force them in that direction.
That being said.. no, they aren’t as liberal as I would like them to be, but they also have a powerful grip on political acumen that this country needs very much after this Bush debacle. I also think that as the country begins to veer more to the left that their sense of pragmatism will pull them that way. also.
now, I just hope I’m right!
the biggest tax cut for billionaires ever. Bigger than the one Bush gave them – thats progressive?
The Third Clinton term – do you think this country will buy that?
I don’t think i called her progressive. I called her a pragmatist… which basically means that she’ll go where the wind takes her, as long as it gets her elected and she can get her own agenda (whatever that may be) moved forward a bit.
If you observe what happened with the Clintons in the 90s.. they gradually tilted more to the right as the country moved in that direction.
No, that’s not really progressive.
but I actually want to win the election. We need MORE than Democrats. We need independents. Will they vote for Clinton?
50 % of the electorate has already decided not to. Will they change their minds?
Raw Story via The Nation has a story up that Obama may have gotten more delegates in NV than Hillary because of the arcane way NV does they tally. 13 for Obama & 12 for Hillary. No official announcement yet.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=272881
kos is covering that over at Big Orange too.
What an election 🙂
Yeah, the diaries there from the NV bloggers on the ground are substantially scary. Not ready for another stolen election in my lifetime.
I just looked over at MyDD and there’s an attempt at a clarification on the delegate issue.
The Obama people need to move on. Whether the delegate count is tied or moves one way or the other, Clinton got the the momentum from today. That’s all that really matters at this moment. Time to move on to SC.
Delegate count is totally irrelevant. That’s inside baseball.
Unless no one gets a majority of the delegates – then it is all-important…
oh, I completely agree. You get the news cycle as the winner – you’re the winner.
I was clarifying for the person above me.
its irrelevant – the mixed message will slow her momentum.
It seemed like all the same Shrillbots, either straight up calling Obama a liar or trying to spin it like it was no big deal.
And the thing is, who cares? You’re average person isn’t going to worry about the delegate awarding system of each state and we still have Feb. 5th to think of. No one has a lock until Feb. 6th.
for saying the Obama people as though I know what they are saying in the blog comments. On many blog posts at other blogs I try not to read the comments — so I don’t even know what’s going on.
I actually was talking about the campaign people. They need to focus on South Carolina. He needs to win that state big to get some momentum going into Super Tuesday. I didn’t want to see a diversion of attention into a debate about who “won” Nevada.
Gotcha.
Just saw my first Super Tuesday TV commercial here (Missouri) during the local news. Obama. Health care. And so it starts …
Bill and Hillary are coming in tonight for a “forum” called “Solutions for America”. TV talking heads say they are expecting 4,000 people. It is being held at a high school that is in north county – a racially integrated but predominantly black district. Interesting choice of venue imo. Not going to attract people from the white suburbs unless they are die hard Hillary fans.
The TV news people read the Republican statement that Hillary is running on her record but once people find out that she is more liberal than John Kerry and they cannot trust her, they will reject her as they rejected Kerry.
Edwards was here this morning. Got some nice TV coverage tonight – after all the other political news.
In New Hampshire, the tight shots around Clinton’s head showed young, white faces. The TV tells you that old white ladies gave her New Hampshire. The papers are buzzing with Clinton hemorrhaging black voters. Quite possibly the first Democrat who has ever done that on purpose. So now she’s gotta play up being down.
St. Louis a natural before SC. If she went straight to SC it would look like pandering. Everyone knows St. Louis as A Black City. She’ll give a speech, right after her win, with guaranteed black faces surrounding her, and she can then roll into SC with a, “I wasn’t even worried about ya’ll” stance.
You’re probably right.
We’ll see what happens. That area is racially diverse. So there will be white people there. Just not her usual audience when she flies in here for $1,000 a plate fundraisers.
Now I’m interested to see how it turns out.
I’m watching the local news. The Clintons’ “forum” was scheduled to start at 8:00 and she’s 2 hours late. She hasn’t even arrived there yet, but they say she’s now “in Missouri” so her plane must have landed.
So far, they’ve interviewed 2 white women (who look like lower/middle income) and 1 white man who was a celebrity (the SLU basketball coach). The crowd looks fairly white. We’ll see who they put on the stage behind her.
btw the news people are describing Nevada as a “split victory”.
Oops – now we’re back to the Clintons’ and Bill is talking. Almost everyone behind them is white.
and I saw that rally on TV
Pretty well attended
We’ll see. IL is NOT a lock for Obama. He is based here, but Hillary grew up in Park Ridge (7 miles from where I grew up) and attended Maine South High School. My dad taught at Maine East High School, so I know that area well.
Well, if her strategy in coming here was to surround herself with black voters — it failed miserably. Everyone behind them looked white to me.
But they DID look like working class white Democratic voters – of the kind that Obama needs to start attracting if he wants to win.
My cousin said she was going to try to go, but decided at the last minute to watch Lord of the Rings instead. She said her boyfriend went and left after 20 minutes.
I live in the MetroEast.
In 2004, we attended a Kerry rally at the Union station. Woo, was that horrible. The lines were blocks long, everyone went through the metal screener, and the speeches were boring.
I won’t do that again.
But I’m originally from Kansas City.
If Hillary is the democratic nominee, she will need a three way race to win. A Republican, Bloomberg, and hillary, because she will not win a majority but only a plurality, if that.
it will be like 1980 with Anderson – Bloomberg will siphon votes from the Democrat.
kinda like H.R. Ross Perot, usually the people who benefit are the Democrats and not the Republicans by a 3rd party candidate.
is a social liberal – nothing like Ross Perot. He will hurt the Democrat more.
Bloomberg..a Republican hurting Democrats..how. Moderate Republicans take the moderate Republican vote, no? Hilllary needs a 3 party race, because in a two party race she is unelectable..
used to be a Democrat – I think is more complex than you are seeing.
Many Dems including myself will have a lot of trouble voting for Hillary. Many so called “Reagan Democrats” who are really independents with liberal social values who normally vote Dem will be attracted to Bloomberg.
Now because of the mess in the Republican party – many Rep might vote for Bloomberg.
I wouldn’t discount him so quick.
I believe that the HARD-CORE anti-Clinton feeling is between 50-52 %. Do they realize this?
This should cheer you up even less. How will this play in a general elecion? I’ll take my gal over this any day.
Sun-Times Exclusive: Obama surfaces in Rekzo’s federal corruption case
January 20, 2008
BY DAVE MCKINNEY, NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND TIM NOVAK Staff Reporters
For the first time, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama has surfaced in the federal corrupton case against his longtime campaign fund-raiser, Tony Rezko, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article
owned by Murdoch? Also “Obama is not accused of any wrong doing”. Demagoguery on the move.
many scandals under the covers – you haven’t heard anything yet. Can you say Hsu?