My patience is just lost with some people. Can we all agree that there is a difference between a New Democrat and a Progressive Democrat? We don’t have to nail down a precise definition of each to agree that there are differences, right? I know the DLC confused matters by creating the Progressive Policy Institute but, please, educate yourselves. Please. Here’s the DLC’s Hyde Park Declaration, created in 2000. Read it. Here’s some highlights:
We believe in shifting the focus of America’s anti-poverty and social insurance programs from transferring wealth to creating wealth.
What do you think that means?
We believe government should harness the forces of choice and competition to achieve public goals.
You do understand what this means, right?
We believe in enhancing the role that civic entrepreneurs, voluntary groups, and religious institutions play in tackling America’s social ills.
Is this beginning so sound like Bushism yet?
How’s this?
We believe in progressive internationalism — the bold exercise of U.S. leadership to foster peace, prosperity, and democracy.
Let’s review.
1) Focus on wealth creation over wealth distribution (i.e., cut taxes on dividends, capital gains, and corporations, so that there is more investment).
2) Rather than force people into Social Security or public schools, create private accounts and private-school alternatives.
3) Create faith-based programs to deal with social problems.
4) Make bold use of the American military to bring Democracy to the world.
None of this is progressive. All of it has been attempted by the Bush administration. And this organization, the DLC, was basically co-founded by Bill Clinton, who served as its first chairman. Today’s DLC’s “current chairman is former Representative Harold Ford, Jr. of Tennessee, and its vice chair is Senator Thomas R. Carper of Delaware. Its CEO is [founder] Al From and its president is Bruce Reed.”
Let’s look at who these individuals support in the primaries. First, there is president Bruce Reed.
Hillary Rodham Clinton has broad visions of foreign and domestic policy, backed by proposals that are at times too incremental or conservative for some Democrats’ taste. Bruce Reed, a Clinton adviser who is president of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, says Clinton does not fit a stereotype.
“She is both pragmatic and progressive, and she wants hard-headed solutions to problems,” he says.
Here’s DLC CEO Al From in November:
The Clinton-New Democrat formula is the only formula with a track record of winning both the nomination and the general election. The track record in recent elections shows that the populist formula doesn’t really deliver the very voters it’s aimed at – white male, working-class voters – probably because they are the most skeptical of government delivering on its promises.
Meanwhile, while Carper endorsed his fellow senator, Joe Biden, there’s no question that his sympathies now lie with Clinton, just as they lay with Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont. And Harold Ford, Jr. is just biding his time until President-elect Hillary Clinton appoints him as Howard Dean’s replacement at the DNC.
[For more on Hillary’s DLC connections, see Fmr. Rep. Major Owens recent piece at Huffington Post]
None of this stuff seems to matter to people like Kevin Drum, who can still complain about Obama’s lack of progressive framing while expressing a preference for Hillary Clinton.
OFF THE BUS….I haven’t been impressed with very much of the chatter about Barack Obama’s primary victory last night. Hillary didn’t give a concession speech? Give me a break. Who cares? Turnout was up? Yes, but it’s been an exciting and money-filled campaign and turnout has been up everywhere. Obama won the black vote and lost the white vote? Nothing new there. Obama won young people and Hillary won among the elderly? Again, no surprise.
What’s more, none of my views about this race have really changed. I think Hillary is still likely to win the nomination. Contrary to conventional wisdom, I suspect she’s also more electable than Obama. And Obama’s continued unwillingness to defend progressive policies on explicitly progressive grounds still bothers me.
More electable than Obama? I guess he attributes the record turnout in all the primaries to be a function of Hillary’s star power. And the youth turnout, too? But what really galls me is that he is bothered by Obama’s ‘unwillingness to defend progressive policies on explicitly progressive grounds’ as if Team Clinton isn’t violating every precept of progressive politics by calling Obama a Muslim, crack-dealing, Jesse Jackson loving ghetto negro. As if their voter suppression efforts in Nevada and their robocalls in South Carolina were just par for the course. How about those planted questions at town hall meetings? But I don’t need to get into a laundry list. Just like his soul brother Josh Marshall, Kevin is getting religion…and for the same reason.
UPDATE: My commenters seem to think this is a grumpy post. Sorry. That wasn’t my intent. For the most part I’m pissed, not grumpy, and I’ve changed the text of the post slightly to clean it up.
Really, I just wanted to make two points. First, I looked through all the exit polls last night and concluded that South Carolina just didn’t have a lot new to tell us. The things people are talking about ā turnout, youth vote, black vs. white vote, etc. ā are all things we’ve seen in the other primaries too.
Second, despite the fact that I still have some positive things to say about Hillary and some negative things to say about Obama, the dog whistle stuff is revolting and it’s pushed me over the edge. I’ve been slightly pro-Hillary in the past, but now I think I’m slightly pro-Obama.
It’s ugly watching these guys figure it out. You don’t judge candidates by their policy plans, you judge them by their backgrounds, their ethics, and the company they keep. We don’t elect a candidate, we elect a campaign…a gang. Do you want to elect Team Clinton? You think they’re progressive? What the fuck have you been smoking?
It’s this kind of post that seems to be the most thought provoking… The company they keep. Now if someone would educate us about the backgrounds of the various Obama advisers as well as those from the Clinton camp, we could do some real comparisons. The backgrounds of the advisers can be more telling than the position papers that they write.
The only one of Obama’s that I’ve read much about is his great foreign policy adviser, Samantha Power, who has some vastly different views than the neo-con dominated think-tank establishment where everyone else gets their foreign policy advice.
It would be nice to find out more about each of Obama’s advisers vs each of Clinton’s. This would tell us just what kind of economic policy, domestic policy, foreign policy, etc. plans they may actually intend to pursue.
Thanks Boo.
do not inspire confidence.
I have seen that post before and something seems really incomplete about it. For example, the guy who thought privatizing social security in 1980 was a good idea to increase the American savings rate and fuel economic growth until the SSA proved his base theories totally false… No mention of what his views have been since that time. Very selective stuff in that piece. I’m skeptical.
keeping being grumpy BooMan cuz we can’t afford a return of Clintonism.
Hate when I’ve to agree with Ralph NAder:
Ambition, Power and The Clinton years – a mini examination of the real record.
i just have one comment
on supporting faith based initiatives….normally i would recoil in horror from supporting anything having anything to do with religion/faith/pseudo christians especially…however i have lived in the poorest american city….in the poorest neighborhood in the poorest american city…and quite frankly it was the faith based services that got things done….provided needed housing assistance, food, a path to home ownership, job training, and just support in general to staying alive, much less rising up from abject poverty….if i won the lottery the first charity i would donate money to would be heart of camden in camden nj….and if i were president id put as much capital as i could into that church based non profit and any other program like it and run the same way…..i know that the faith based programs have some issues…and i have issues with many of them, mainly their homophobia…which is why i would never give money to the salvation army and i will educate people right in front of their bell ringing pots about their intolerant views….but there are plenty of faith based programs that do more than govt run programs with less resources….for 22 years i have watched virtually no progress made in camden nj as far as affordable housing and community redevelopment…things that actually benefit the people who live there..and thats after billions have been poured into that city by the state and federal govt…the city is run by greedy political and capitalist vampires who have sucked the life out of it…the only bright light and real progress has been what churches like sacred heart have provided…and its like that in poor cities across the country….so i really think we should, as progressives, rethink our adverse opinions of faith based initiatives….some of them deserve government support.
As much as I dislike organized religion in all forms, you do have a point. When I lived in San Francisco, the churches really did the best job of assisting the homeless and running food banks, soup kitchens, drug rehab, etc. I wouldn’t have any problem with government granting money to such organizations so long as they can show that they are not proselytizing the aid recipients.
government money corrupts churches and erodes faith.
I, too, have firsthand knowledge of the extreme effectiveness of church-based aid to the poor. They do quite nicely all on their own, and they have no intention of dropping the proselytizing, so let’s not pretend otherwise.
Thanks for the reminder. That’s how I always felt when these “government/faith based initiatives” have been proposed. And yes, the successful programs that I have seen were always privately funded.
via Ambinder
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS) plans to endorse Obama
one commenter: an Obama-Sebelius ticket.
It is difficult for me to see how anyone claiming to be a political commentator/pundit could claim that the outcome of the South Carolica primary was meaningless. The people of South Carolina sent a resounding message to Team Clinton: we reject your smears and racist s*t!! And make no mistake about this: the African-American community are not going to come crawling back to Bill and Hill. They essentially told them last night to f*k off. That was just part of the message from the SC primary that escaped Kevin Drum.
Especially since after New Hamshire it was “momentous” that The Clinton’s carried old, white females. You know, people like the Senator.
Andrew Sullivan quotes Weekly Standard’s Richelieu:
You’re on a roll here. Please keep it coming.
I found the quotes from the DLC very informative and helpful. Things I sort of knew or had read here and there, but you laid it out for all to see.
Well, here comes Kennedy’s endorsement.
Boston Globe
I didn’t see grumpy at all. I thought it was thought-provoking AND funny. I haven’t heard The Clinton’s expound on any progressive ideals either, beyond Sen. Clinton’s incredibly insulting AND stupid “I’m a Progressive Democrat” talking point of last summer. Still, we know that The Clinton’s are held to a different standard. Isn’t that what the right keeps telling us?
Thanks, BooMan.
Sadly, reasoned thought is not a panacea in my home this weekend. My house guests now are wearing Hillary pins they picked up when we were at the farmers market.
I suspect, being east-coast liberals, it has little to do with the content of Obama’s character. . . .argh.
They don’t support Obama, therefore they must be mindless racists.
Glad that’s clear.
No. Actually, they are educated racists, of the liberal, “as long as they don’t move next door” variety; motivated by fear and seeing the world through a prism of skin-color and cultural tradition. And their sudden conversion to out-spoken Hillary support came on after Obama’s big win in SC, with full knowledge of Team Clinton’s recent approach to Obama’s candidacy.
Does anyone know where Reed and From are registered to vote? Do they vote in Democratic primaries? Have either of them ever contributed a dime to any Democratic candidate? Have either of them ever hosted a fundraiser, worked a phone bank, joined their local committee or done anything to indicate that they actually are Democrats?
I don’t see why we should consider them Democrats.
…against most of the Republican field. I’m fairly sure it was something Jerome posted at MyDD but I can’t find it right now.
This is almost as painful as it must have been to coax those wanderers & gatherers to rub two sticks together.
NAFTA? Welfare reform? Dont Ask, Don’t Tell? The Communications Decency Act? Easing media ownership laws? Defense of Marriage Act?
This is some of the legislation Bill Clinton signed into law, mostly in an effort to save his presidency after the disastrous failure of Hillary’s healthcare reform bill lost congress to the Republicans.
Obama is right, Clinton didn’t shift the American debate to progressive values. The Clintons just triangulated their way through the decade backward doing their best to ameliorate the worst aspects of Republican legislation.
In the end the man who told us “if we worked hard and played by the rules” broke the rules, got caught and allowed the Republicans to stifle any gains he could have made for us. We lost congress and he couldn’t even help Al Gore become his successor. Mark Penn Hillary’s union busting pollster said the other day that Bill Clinton “changed the trajectory of American politics”. That trajectory gave us George W. Bush as president.
If we nominate Hillary and she gets elected you can expect more of the same small bore efforts and backpedaling.
The Clintons tried to suppress the vote in IA by suing to keep college kids from voting. They tried to suppress the vote in NV by suing to keep casino workers out, and when that didn’t work telling their supporters to show up early and slamming the doors at some casino caucuses at 11:30 when they should have stayed open until noon. They’re dividing and shrinking the party which is a recipe for disaster in November. These two won’t build the huge mandate we need for the great changes that have to be made. They’d alienate millions of black voters and a whole generation of young voters who may never come back. I’ve had it with them.
… doesn’t anybody get that the Republican party has never in its history taken the White House without carrying Ohio? And that the most recent Ohio General Election matchups{+}, right on or after Iowa, had:
How can anybody credibly make the argument that Hillary is the “electable” candidate, unless the Republicans tear each other up so badly that anybody is electable?
{+ real match-ups … anyone doing GE match-ups that include Guliani and exclude Edwards are not very serious about the work they are doing.}
Based on his postings generally, I concluded months ago that Kevin Drum was starting to lean toward DLC positions or attitudes. I certainly have long had the impression (despite his protestations) that Drum has been not so subtly pushing the Clinton cause.
I live in Illinois and have a somewhat stronger basis for trusting Obama than those that live far away since he has been a good and progressive senator for us. His vote on the energy bill has concerned some, but Illinois means acres of corn fields and there are worse votes than supporting corn growers. In any event, I think that all politicians have to be forgiven some votes based on representation of local interests and part of Obama’s support downstate (i.e., outside Chicago) is his willingness to listen to the concerns of rural and small town voters. (Incidentally, if you haven’t discovered Al Giordano’s commentary on Obama’s appeal to rural constituencies, be sure to check out http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/)
I admit it takes a bit of a leap of faith to trust that Obama will push progressive causes if and when he faces the reality of leading as POTUS. On the other hand, I can add to the anecdotal evidence that many of my family members have drifted toward the Republicans over the last two decades or so and are now really excited about Obama.
I think (and in the case of my friends and family, I know) that many moderate Republicans and Republican-leaning independents realize how disastrous Bush has been and regret they helped keep him in office. But, they don’t relish the thought of a quid pro quo and being the new “evil doers” attacked by a 51% or less Democratic leader. So, to them, Obama answers a need for alternatives to the abysmal Republican field (all currently promising one variation or another of Bush redux) by raising the promise of a leader who says he will to try to represent the interests that all Americans have in common and will also respect those who have differing views when it comes to the issues where we have fundamental disagreements.
If Obama succeeds in this effort to expand the field of supporters for a Democratic candidate and is elected, I personally have no real fear that he will desert the lower and middle classes. Rational or not, I also have a definite hope that Obama will be a true (and effective) transformational leader.
With Edwards fading as a candidate, I therefore strongly favor Obama’s candidacy and believe that a leap of faith is preferable to what seems to me to be the certain reality of a replay of the worst features of the Clinton years if Billary is re-elected(and don’t forget the aftermath of that!)
Thank you Booman. I too have been extremely disappointed in Kevin Drum’s foggy thinking on the Democratic nomination process. His blog was the first political blog I ever read (back when it was CalPundit). Kevin is a good writer and I always liked his rational and clear-headed approach to policy issues. I think of Jeralyn Merritt at TalkLeft in the same way. I was also an early fan of her blog.
But something happened when Hillary started running. These two people–Kevin Drum and Jeralyn Merritt–whom I once thought of as being very progressive on the issues–all of a sudden jumped on the Hillary bandwagon. I have no logical explanation why they did this. I can see no reason why Hillary appeals to these two writers.
All I can think of is that they were either personally wooed by the Clinton team–or they simply want a female president from their generation.
Actually, I think the simple explanation is the most valid. The boomers are fighting a fight the rest of us aren’t aware of. Hillary represents a way for the Jeralyns and Kevins to get back at George Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove and prove once and for all that the boomer legacy will be a “progressive” legacy. Progressive for them isn’t what we think of as progressive (or liberal) politics. Progressive is the way they think of themselves as changing America since they inherited it in the 60s. Sure, the boomers were initially known for the 60s and the liberalism of that time (anti-Vietnam war, feminist, etc.). But Bill and HIllary left their mark in the 90s by forever changing liberals (by moving them to the right–as your DLC quotes indicate). Hillary and the other reformed “hippies” were successful in the 90s at making liberals more “grown up” and more serious. And by extention, the boomer generation was seen as more “serious” and grown up now that they had tacked to the right–the boomers were no longer the “radical” hippies. Now lil’ George Bush and Karl Rove have threatened to forever replace the DLC version of the boomer generation with their right-wing variety. So Jeralyn and Kevin and Hillary see this election as the last chance for boomers to solidify their legacy. Hillary represents the boomer generation for most people over 50 and to the left of Bush, Cheney and Rove. Obama simply mucks up this picture. They see Obama as “not ready”–in other words, boomers are not yet willing to relinquish control and they want one last chance to define boomers–to them, a moderate left-ward movement from when they took over in the 60s is the desired goal–this is the “progressivism” Hillary is running on.
Anyway, that’s my working thesis right now. I have no other explanation how two normally smart people like Kevin Drum and Jeralyn Merritt have been so uncharacteristically . . . dumb . . . regarding the Democratic nominating process.