Buried at the end of a rather silly Washington Post story by Kevin Merida that compared the Democratic primary contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama first to boxing (it quoted Angelo Dundee, famous trainer of Muhammed Ali on what strategy and tactics each campaign is using or should use, for chrissakes) and then to a chess match, is a quote from former House Democratic Whip, David Bonior of Michigan. Bonior managed John Edwards campaign, and he was asked who should be the party’s nominee. He declined to pick either Clinton or Obama, possibly because Edwards himself has not yet endorsed either of them for the nomination. But he did have this to say about a possibile scenario where Obama maintains his lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote but is not selected as the party’s candidate at the convention in Denver:
“. . . I see that as a problem. A big problem, by the way.”
I have no idea if this mean Edwards is leaning toward Obama. Frankly I doubt it has any significance regarding any future endorsement. Edwards has been playing his cards close to his vest, so I suspect Bonior was simply talking for himself. But I also believe that Bonior is simply stating the truth. If Obama comes to the convention with more delegates and having won the popular vote, and Senator Clinton is “awarded” the nomination because she has created the perception among the super delegates that Obama is “damaged goods” (thanks to her own “kitchen sink” tactics), or is “unelectable” because he doesn’t pass some nebulous “experience” test, or for some other reason (whatever that may be), all hell will break loose.
Such a result will fracture the Democratic party far worse than in 1968 when Humphrey won the nomination at the convention alienating the antiwar and youth vote. And far worse than in 1980, when the battle royale between President Carter and Ted Kennedy during the primary season paved the way for Ronald Reagan’s election.
If Clinton is the nominee a large portion of African American electorate are likely to sit this election out, as will many of the young people Obama has attracted to his campaign in droves this year. Many progressives who comprise the activist base, will also be tempted to sit out this election seeing little difference between the likely policies of a President Clinton versus a President McCain, seeing as both have deep ties to corporate lobbyists and “special interests” and both are likely to keep substantial numbers of troops in Iraq for years to come. Even many activists who will vote for her would do so with an utter lack of enthusiasm, and would lend little other than their votes to her campaign. Certainly not their money or their volunteer efforts.
The Clinton nomination would also energize the conservative base of the Republican party. Voters who are not particularly fond of Senator McCain would be more than happy to cast a vote against “Hillary” if she becomes the Democratic nominee. The effect on down ticket races would be substantial, as increased turnout among Republican voters combined with a stagnant Democratic turnout would seriously undermine the chance to increase Democratic majorities in Congress.
This effect would be exacerbated by the likely manner in which Clinton would run her campaign, abandoning Howard Dean’s “50 state” strategy and emphasizing only those states which she believes she needs to win, essentially the Kerry states plus Ohio and/or Florida. A strategy, by the way that has failed in the last two Presidential elections (Gore and Kerry), and was only successful for Bill Clinton in 1992 because of the happy circumstance of Ross Perot’s third party bid, which drained Republican and moderate/independent votes from Bush Senior. Senator Clinton’s campaign would be a “top down” highly centralized affair, and would likely rely on the same negative ads and other rough tactics that she employed against Obama. Except Senator McCain would not be acting as her tag team partner this time, helping to assail Obama in order to keep Clinton’s campaign viable so as to weaken whomever he faces this Fall. And make no mistake, he and the Republican operatives would much prefer to run against Clinton. Indeed, it’s his best chance to occupy the oval office and he knows it.
Let us hope that saner heads prevail. If Obama comes to the convention with more pledged delegates and having won the popular vote, he should be the nominee. If he isn’t . . . ?
If they go by popular vote, then they damn well better include caucuses.
And then if they blow the white smoke for Clinton I shall go spend the summer in my garden, bicycling, and hiking in the cool of the mountains. When the convention comes to town I’ll pack up and leave, because it will have nothing to do with me.
I think that it is right on the money, and I further think that Angelo Dundee knows more about what is happening in the Democratic Party than any asshole political pundit on the scene.
So does the chess guy, Bill Hall.
Ad above, so below, Steven.
As above, so below.
The only real question here is whether the game of politics resides above or below boxing and chess in a cosmic sense.
My own take?
Below.
AG
Yes, Arthur it is silly to bring in a man with expertise in training fighters for boxing matches to comment on a political campaign. And silly also to bring in a chess master for the same damn reason. The most important quote in the piece was Bonior’s and it was buried at the end of the article. You can compare any competition to any other, if you like, but that doesn’t make the analogy a proper one, nor a particularly cogent and insightful explanation. Why not compare the campaign to a basketball game (all those swings in momentum, Hillary making a late run after Obama built up a big lead, blah, blah, blah)? Or football, baseball, a game of Monopoly or even log rolling? They are all competitive endeavors after all?
But I suppose since the Washington Post writer considered Angelo Dundee more qualified than a real politician, David Bonior, to speak on the ins and outs of the “horse race” between Clinton and Obama, he must be right. Because the Washington Post is such a serious newspaper.
Next time you come to Colorado can I buy you a drink?
Of course!
They must have made a mistake this time.
Dundee is in a real business.
No bullshit, no faking. Outside of fixed fights, of course, which are really quite rare throughout most of the sport because all but the cham,pionship level of it makes too little money to be worth fixing.
The way things work become crystal clear in the ring.
That’s why boxing is called “the sweet science”.
If you cannot see the truth of this, then it is you who is “silly”.
And as far as THIS piece of arrant bullshit is concerned:
Bonior is a “real politician”?
Sigh.
I suppose he is.
God save us from real politicians if that is the case.
From the referenced WaPo article:
He got involved in…managed…the woefully jive Edwards campaign?
Then obviously he does not have a CLUE about how national politics really operates, because as I repeatedly pointed here and elsewhere out from Edwards’ first bullshit, unused work shirt-wearing, New Orleans black kids used as a backdrop entrance into the fray, he was a total will-not-win.
But since I am only a musician, I guess I don’t know shit either.
Right?
How long did you and.or about 80% of the rest of the leftiness bloggers support Edwards, Steven?
Pundit, heal thyself.
Bonior functioned as a boss in the House of Representatives?
The same House that has given BushCo a go-ahead on both sides of the aisle to hamstring the Constitution and murder hundreds of thousands of innocents in the Middle East and has donm similar work with every right wing crypto-fascist administration of the last 50 years or so?
These are his credentials as a serious human being? Someone with wisdom to impart?
Get real.
I’ll take Angelo Dundee every time.
Lord, what fools the (leftiness) mortals be!!!
Wake the fuck up.
AG
Yes, thanks for confirming for me that your support of Hillary is for a fake politician.
They are all on a muddy playing field, all playing their muddy little games. She is no worse than most, and better than many. Demonizing her does no one any favors.
AG
I’m neither young, nor African American, and not an activist progressive, and I’ll be sitting it out if she’s the nominee. I don’t see that much daylight between what will happen under her administration compared to McCain, and I don’t want the behavior rewarded.
“If Clinton is the nominee a large portion of African American electorate are likely to sit this election out, as will many of the young people Obama has attracted to his campaign in droves this year. Many progressives who comprise the activist base, will also be tempted to sit out this election…”
The Clinton’s have worked their entire political careers to mass disenfranchise minority and poverty oppressed urban voting blocks so that the Clinton’s can campaign more comfortably to their core corporate white right-wing. Conservatives? No, the Jim Crow Dixie-crat right-wing is the Clinton core constituency.
I would wager that the Green Party and even the libertarians would not have the growing base of progressive activists that they have today but for the concerted efforts of the Clinton’s through the DLC to marginalize and neutralize the electoral and political viability of the progressive activist base within the Democratic Party.
So your predictions that a Clinton candidacy would drive Black and progressive blocks away from voting this fall would actually be a success for the Clinton’s. The only thing that they actually fear about this gambit is driving more of these folks to third party and Independent campaigns instead of simply disaffecting them and driving them out of the entire political process.
The Clinton’s drove me out of the Democratic Party in 1996 but they failed at driving me out of the democratic process. Don’t allow them to succeed by driving you out of the process. Remember, third party and independent voting blocks are the fastest growing constituencies in America today. Grow your politics.
If he and Edwards came out together for Obama, and campaigned for him there, the results would be strongly in Obama’s favor. Bonior can get the unions mobilized.
I have noticed a migration of Black activists to the Green Party this year. Cynthia McKinney the most recent and most notable is running for president as a Green this year.
In 1972 I supported Shirley Chisholm as the first Black and woman presidential candidate.
Cynthia McKinney
McKinney, like Chisholm, has a congressional resume and a certified pluralist and progressive.
IF THE DEMOCRATS DRIVE YOU OUT OF THE PARTY THIS ELECTION DON’Y ALLOW THEM TO DRIVE YOU OUT OF AMERICA’S DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!!!!
Can you imagine?
Yoiu think that she was rough with those rent-a-cops who challenged her entrance into a DC building?
Ooooo-WHEEE!!!
Imagine her and the Dem centrists in the House and Congress.
Imagine her and the CIA!!!
There’s a movie waiting to be made.
AG
If Billary and the super delegates screw the voters and Obama at the convention I think Cynthia McKinney could be a very viable alternative for many disgruntled pluralist Americans who will quickly and decisively become disaffected from the Democratic Party by the Clinton political machine.
All moderates, liberals and left-wingers who believe in Barack Obama can and should keep McKinney on the tip of their political tongues when talking with Clinton people just to let them know that they CANNOT EXPECT Obama votes they have not tried to WIN by reflecting the values that Obama supporters represent. Values more in line with McKinney than Clinton.