The House Democrats not only grew a spine yesterday, they went further and gave the president the big middle finger. In passing their version of a FISA bill the House denied retroactive immunity, which was bold enough. They went further, though, and called for accountability.
The House bill includes three key elements.
It would refuse retroactive immunity to the phone companies and would instead provide special authority for the courts to decide whether the companies should be held liable in some 40 lawsuits growing out of an N.S.A. eavesdropping program approved by President Bush after the Sept. 11 attacks. It would restore certain judicial checks on wiretapping powers while plugging loopholes that the administration has cited in coverage of foreign targets. And it would create a Congressional commission to investigate the past workings of the N.S.A. program.
A Congressional commission to investigate the NSA program (think Church Committee) might discover that the illegal warrantless surveillance began before 9/11 (as former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio has alleged). It would probably show that the Attorney General and the FISA Court were not consulted, as Republican talking points insist that they were.
According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest’s CEO at the time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA’s assertion that Qwest didn’t need a court order — or approval under FISA — to proceed. Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have access to its customers’ information and how that information might be used.
Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial.
The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI, CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said. As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information — known as “product” in intelligence circles — with other intelligence groups. Even so, Qwest’s lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of the NSA request, the sources said.
The NSA, which needed Qwest’s participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.
Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest’s patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest’s refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.
In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest’s foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.
Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest’s lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused.
The NSA’s explanation did little to satisfy Qwest’s lawyers. “They told (Qwest) they didn’t want to do that because FISA might not agree with them,” one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest’s suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general’s office. A second person confirmed this version of events.
So…no AG letter, no FISA court, just strict illegality. And the companies that went along want immunity. The Democrats more than refused, they promised to investigate. Of course, the bill the House passed will not become law under this president. But, then again, that’s half the battle. If Bush doesn’t get immunity before he leaves office, his crimes will still be on the books…unless, that is, he pardons himself.
I am not sure. Can a president pardon himself? I imagine he could pardon Cheney, where most of the illegal activity likely occurred. But how much was Bush actually involved and can it be proven that he did anything illegal? Big questions for the next congress and administration to sort through.
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But to pardon himself, there would actually have to be some acknowledgement < gasp > of criminal activity.
Bush probably needs to start reading aloud his list of presidential pardons today in order to get to the end of it before he leaves office next January. That’s how long it will end up being.
Funny, sad, true.
Idiotic: the president can pardon himself! That means he can walk away with all the gold in Fort Knox (if there is still any left) and bring it all home without any consequences. In many ways, this has already happened. So he let’s Cheney do it for him and pardons him If this is so, the country is theoretically a constitutional dictatorship with an absolute ruler, just as he and his friends interpret the constitution. Can anyone really believe that the intent was that the president could pardon himself? No matter what the word parsing of the document may conclude.
What do you think the current Supreme Court would say if Bush pardoned himself and the issue was litigated?
Just think about that for a while.
Yes, I know, never thought about it before. But I still call it idiotic and say it could hardly be the intention. I suppose that has something to do with the difference between the letter and the spirit of the law. Or with my lack of vision.
For the president to pardon someone, that someone has to be convicted of something in the first place right?
Maybe I am wrong about that, but if I am right, wouldn’t GWB be in deep legal trouble if the next congress decides to investigate GWB, and all his enablers / fellow criminals without a sympathetic, or republican president to pardon him / them of any convictions arising from that next congresses investigations?
No. Nixon was pardoned by Ford before he was ever charged or convicted of any crime.
You are right Steven D, and thank you for the reminder.
Americans have never come to terms with with slavery or the extermination of the native Americans, just as Germans have not come to terms with the Holocaust. It is psyhchologically too painful for most people to come to inner terms with events of such magnitude. Instead, they are conceived in religious terms — as ‘evil’ or something similar. The existential aspect is too devastating. Slavery and the estermination of the native Americans define the United States as a nation as much as the Constitution does. We have never seen this; the rest of the world does. We have fully revealed our dark side in Iraq.
No one can predict how this is going to pan out. I am hoping without much hope that Obama will win the nomination and the Presidency. If he wins the nomination, I think he can take the Presidency, and if he does, it will be a big step towards moving the American psyche towards some kind of self-understanding and sanity.
I’m lost on what the options are now. Next will be the Senate-House conference? Does this bill do anything to increase the likelihood that the final bill will not be essentially the Senate crap? If the House version somehow becomes the final version, what happens when Bush vetoes it? The old FISA becomes current law, so there’s no immunity, right? How possible is it that Congress could hold out and keep the status quo until Bush is gone?
Bush will be in Paraguay before anyone brings charges against him.