The 2012 strategy, for all to see:
ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf Reports: At a stop in rural Pennsylvania, over winding roads and through rolling hills in small Lewistown, PA, where people lined the streets to watch his motorcade approach, former President Bill Clinton had high praise for the man who has clinched the nomination for the other party.
Mr. Clinton said all three major candidates remaining in the race are talented and special people.
He did not go into detail on Sen. Barack Obama, the Illinois Senator still locked in political combat with Sen. Clinton’s wife for the Democratic nomination. Their next battle takes place next month in Pennsylvania.
But McCain, who Mr. Clinton said is a “moderate”, “has given about all you can give for this country without dyin’ for it.”
He said McCain was on the right side of issues like being against torture of enemy combatants and global warming, which “just about crosses the bridge for them (Republicans).”
Who wants to tolerate this?
So moderate that he even votes against funding to reduce teen pregnancy through education and contraception. LINK
Not a guy I want picking SC justices. Hell, I don’t even want him to pick his own nose.
I don’t remember if this was covered a couple weeks ago when it happened, but John McCain doesn’t even know that condoms help stop the spread of STDs:
Link
Coburn? That pretty much says it all.
The netherworld of deep, dark, dangerous ignorance.
We should all be comforted that he says “Yeah yeah, whatever the pres says is fine.” Apparently he can’t think without Papa Bush holding his hand.
On Hillary: yay for the Hillary Deathwatch.” I was so torn between Clinton and Obama before I voted.. now that have and I’ve seen what the Clintons have been doing these past few weeks i’m SO glad I went Obama
He has to ask an aide what his position on something as basic as contraception is?? Inconceivable!
(drum roll) Thank you, thank you, you’re a great audience.
Seriously, couldn’t he have just said something like, “Let me have Brian send it to you so we make sure you report it accurately?” I mean, how can you say you don’t know what your own position on an issue that basic is? Something abstruse like net neutrality, maybe, but . . .
I’d better stop here before I have a stroke and go all McCain on you guys.
You have to realize they didn’t really teach sex ed when he was in school š
Just to parse here, condoms help stop the spread of many STDs (especially life-threatening ones, like HIV), but not all. Condoms are not adequate protection for other STDs, like HPV, that can be spread through genital-area contact outside of the penis or vagina.
Hey, he’s in the same boat as Hillary. She votes for “religious rights” in the workplace, allowing pharmacists to refuse to dispense contraception to single women or police officers to refuse to guard abortion clinics. I guess they’re both moderate, right?
Oh, wait… That’s not moderate, it’s lunatic right wing! Silly me!
I like Bill better when he was nailing interns.
he really needs to STFU. They are CLEARLY trying to get a win for McCain and it is making me very angry.
…the Clintons will cluck about how he’s playing dirty against that nice, patriotic, moderate American McCain.
This is going to make me puke.
I hate them with the heat of a thousand supernovae.
Someone needs to remind the voters that Hillary was for torture before she was against it!
Clinton was arguing that she, too, could stomach torture under certain circumstances. Clinton told the Daily News in October 2006 that in a ticking-time-bomb scenario, she favored a legal loophole to allow the torture of a terror suspect. At the time, she argued for a “very, very narrow exception within very, very limited circumstances.”
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/02/hillary/index1.html
hey Cee, thanks for that link.
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OT: Awesomeo!
More on topic – IMHO, it appears the Clintons will take it any way they can get it. It’s ironic. Supporting Obama is positive & affirming. But recognizing the Clinton Strategy takes the machiavellian.
Andrew Sprung notes at age 28 Obama showed a heft of intelligence, smarts, knew where he was headed:
hoping this our first look at “A President’s Past”
Joe Lieberman party at this point.
the ingrate Clintons need to be invited to leave the party.
they’ll soon find out how much damage they’ve done to their future earnings.
Yep
I strongly suspect they are beginning to “Naderize” themselves at this point.
Wow.
Maybe we need to start considering the mental health of the Clintons. It might just be that they’ve become delusional. If they and their circle don’t close ranks with the Democratic Party after Obama’s nomination and he loses to McSame, they’ll deserve blame for the disastrous outcome and be thoroughly, deeply despised by a large section of the public and the party for their treachery (Mr. J. Carville will be the first to shout Judas!). Is Lieberman flashing his Howdy Dowdy grin right now? Mrs. Clinton ain’t going anywhere in 2012 except right out of the senate when she loses in New York State. That’s the cruel twist of fate that the campaign has become for the Clintons. I can understand how hard all this is for them to swallow.
The Clintons have been responsible for the destruction of the party before. What’s one more time to them?
The Clintons are totally delusional if they believe that they can sabotage the election of Barack Obama and hope to come back in 2012. If Barack loses in November, the party won’t give Hillary Clinton the time of day. She can forget about being the Majority Leader, too. The Senator from New York will always be regarded as the Bill Buckner of Democratic politics (although, to be fair, the Boston fans did manage to forgive Buckner.) John McCain’s Presidency will be Bill Clinton’s legacy (as George Bush’s Presidency is Ralph Nader’s.)
I think the party is already leaving them. Pelosi and Reid, et al, are all beginning to make “stop this already” noises at the Clintons.
Look, it is perfectly fine to say something good about someone and I admit the clintons have very little wiggle room here. But what on God’s green earth has mccain done that is been good for America..Oh sure he has served his country but so many of us out here have. That is not the issue here…the real issue is, if mrs clinton were to get the nomination, how would she tackle this with the way they have been going about this the way they have. I seriously think ppl can believe mr clinton any more they can believe her. They are all but a bag full of hot air and that bag needs busted for what it is. I detest mccain…he is not in my crowd of good ppl….PLEASE WILL SOMEBODY SHUT THE MAN UP AND TELL HIM TO SIT DOWN…..PLEASE, I AM BEGGING…..HE IS A NATIONAL EMBARRESSMENT!!!!!!
Sigh. Make them go away.
Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
Look, John McCain is better than Bush, but that’s like saying being hit in the face with a sledgehammer is better than being flayed alive and thrown in a vat of broken glass and saltwater.
What the hell is going on here, other than Scorched Earth?
not my analysis from MSNBC and paraphrasing..”Hillary is like a basketball team 15 points behind and there is only a minute left in the game..they are fouling and doing what ever they can to extend the game. Hillary needs 15 points in 1 minute and it won’t be accomplished.”
Personally, I think there is 10 seconds left in the game and Hillary should just accept the fact she can’t win. Watch some b-ball and you will see college players accept defeat with sportsmanship..and at that time and the winner graciously holds the ball.
By doing this, Bill Clinton is positioning himself as the only one who can put Humpty Dumpty back together again. I think they want, at a minimum, to get Hillary on the ticket, even in the #2 slot. If Obama doesn’t go along with the program, they’ll make sure the party splits and McCain wins. Then, after the fact, the Clintons can say that they offered a perfectly good plan for reconciliation at the convention and Barack wouldn’t sign on to it, so it’s his fault.
“Snake Eyes” Carville’s “30 pieces of Silver” smear is part of the same diabolical scheme. They are trying to back Obama into a corner; so that he will not be able to choose Richardson as his VP without having it look like that deal was made in exchange for the endorsement.
That might be Bill’s strategy. I don’t see how Hillary could credibly take #2 on the ticket after undermining Obama’s experience and judgment. I think the Clinton’s still think they can bump out Obama as an inexperienced youngun (with their “I say, I say, I say, boy” strategy) in the primaries before they switch to hammering McCain’s health (as an over-experienced old-timer with one foot in the grave) in the general.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=963
The Clinton’s just can’t seem to quit lying can they. I can’t remember anything like this, with one candidate and husband continually praising the opponent from the other party-it’s really jawdropping.
McCain may believe in global warming but it’s not likely he’ll do a damn thing about it as per his truly hideous environmental voting record or maybe I should say his non voting on any bill concerning environment including a clean energy bill. He has a zero rating I believe from environmental groups for his record.
A moderate my ass Billy-boy, who are you trying to con with that ignorant line? He’s no more a moderate than bush is plus I honestly do believe he is getting senile.(or maybe he’s always sounded this stupid or confused)
Just how many gdamn soundbites for ads in the general election are the Clinton’s going to give McCain anyway?
If this were anybody but the Clinton’s the party leaders would have pulled them out for the good of the party-I would hope anyway. So how long are they going to play cowards and do nothing I guess is the question. But as we’ve all found out too many dems excel apparently at being cowards.
Yer trippin’, Booman.
Trippin’.
Unbelievable.
Turn off the fucking TV.
Unbelievable.
AG
That was really good advice you gave Jeff over at Rigorous Intuition. Hopelessness is a symptom of ill health.
As for your comment here: The 2012 strategy concept oriented on the net, not tv. So I’m not sure how Boo could have avoided it. Embracing the idea is a bit daft tho. Exactly how would fluffing up McCain now set up the Clintons to run against him four years from now? I don’t see that in the realm of possibilities.
<gag> I can’t believe a agree with you about something.
And ill health is a symptom of hopelessness as well.
Avoid that meme?
Just look away from the bullshit.
It’s easier on the net.
Not as many rings and bangles.
AG
Against torture? Then why did he vote for it?
l don’t think there is a 2012 strategy.
how could there be with the slash and burn tactics that they’re embracing?
this is her one shot…all or nothing…the last opportunity to ascend to a position she has coveted and striven for, for who knows how long.
when, not if she finally concedes defeat, l would posit that they’ll recede to the background and she won’t even run for re-election in the senate.
opportunistic, crass and narcissistic they may well be, but stupid they’re not…they’re finished if she loses, which she will, and they know it.
there will be no hillary in ’12 campaign.
I tend to agree with you on this dada. I think she’ll leave the Senate and concentrate on making lots of money. Becoming Senator was just a stepping stone to running for president, building her own credentials instead of running on Bill’s accomplishments-which she is basically doing anyway no matter what she says.
Then again my trying to second guess what politicians might do is almost invariably wrong.
She and he are goners. They will need all their time to count their money.
If they have much money left after sinking it into this campaign. They’ve admitted to “loaning” $5 million to the campaign. They have left a trail of unpaid bills and campaign funds frittered away on lavish expenditures. Their major donors are tapped out for direct contributions to this phase of the campaign. Given this situation, is $5 million just the tip of the iceberg for the Clintons’ personal investment in Hillary’s campaign? Hillary just used her last setback in the campaign as the fodder for a fundraising letter. You have to wonder how much of her sticking this out is blind ambition and how much is an attempt for her fundraising to catch up to her expenditures.
Oh, you mean then that she and her husband in it just for he money. That could be. Anyway, after the campaign there will always be some hanger-on hanging around to pay the bills. She remains the junior senator from NY state for the next four years.
Well, I don’t think HRC is in this just for the money. I do wonder whether her refusal to throw in the towel (when any reasonable person would recognize that there is no honorable way to win at this point) is fueled in any measure by her campaign’s money troubles.