I like E.J. Dionne. But I think his perspective on the Clinton campaign points out the difference between the new progressives and the older more mainline Democrats.
For all Democrats, the worst thing that has happened since January is the tarnishing of the Clinton brand.
Dionne goes on to detail the well known offenses of the Clinton campaign that have so offended many Democrats that ‘when the word “Clinton” crosses their lips, many Democrats sound like Ken Starr, Bob Barr and the late Henry Hyde.’ And he concludes:
“Chill out” is good advice. Hillary Clinton has every right to keep fighting. But her campaign has suffered from a ricochet effect. Attacks aimed at her opponent and efforts to exaggerate her experience have weakened rather than strengthened her claim to the nomination.
This is obviously a problem for Hillary Clinton herself, but it is also very bad for a Democratic Party that cannot afford to see the entire Clinton legacy discredited.
To my way of thinking, the health and future of the Democratic Party (and, therefore, the nation) actually depends on the Clinton legacy being discredited and their brand tarnished. It’s nice, and valuable, for a party to have a president in the somewhat recent past that they can point to as a positive example. For the Republicans, the cult of Ronald Reagan is more than an example; it is a recruitment strength and an ideological rallying cry. But Ronald Reagan didn’t get impeached. Ronald Reagan didn’t preside over huge congressional losses for his party. Ronald Reagan’s presidency was validated by the election of his vice-president as a successor, not rejected in favor of a chimpanzee.
But more to the point, Obama keeps saying that he wants ‘to change the mindset that got us into the war’ in Iraq. A prerequisite for that, is that Democrats revise their opinion of Clinton’s foreign policy. The Clintons spent the 1990’s feeding us trumped up intelligence about the dangers of Saddam Hussein as a way to maintain domestic and international support for the sanctions, for an aborted coup attempt in 1996, for the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, and for the bombing of Iraq at various points throughout the decade. The Bushies then took that falsified intelligence and used it to justify the invasion and five-year occupation of Iraq. “Even the Clinton administration thought he had WMD.”
Domestic affairs are a more mixed bag. Clinton did cut through some ossified liberal dogma, but the overall effect of his New Democrat policies was to complete the destruction of the party in the South, badly weaken the party in the Plains states and Interior West, and freeze the Democratic momentum in the suburbs. The Clinton presidency was partly successful because of a booming economy and relative peace, but we should never forget that he squandered the peace dividend and kept the country on a permanent war-budget footing.
Much has also been written about how the Clintons ran the party as an organization. State parties atrophied, the grassroots were marginalized, and funding became dependent on corporate money. We’ve seen these same failings contribute mightily to the downfall of Hillary’s campaign.
The Democrats should never look back to the Clinton presidency as a positive example. Mostly, the Clinton presidency is a cautionary tale about what not to do.
That’s not to suggest that Bill Clinton did nothing right. He did many things right, including hiring competent and ethical people to run the federal bureaucracy. The Clintons should not be demonized, but their brand deserves some tarnish, and we can definitely afford to discredit their legacy…going forward.
What part of “Republican Lite” doesn’t Dionne get?
Anyone who cannot understand that the Clinton legacy has already been discredited and see that as a good thing does not understand what the Democratic Party is all about.
I’m an old Democrat and I think you are right about the way they think. Most of my Dem friends are old-fashioned policy wonks, and they like her for her policies. It’s also the case that our class was empowered under the Clinton administration. His appointments by and large were top-flight, especially in the economics area. He was a first-rate CEO. People like Dionne see that and think they will get more of the same from his wife. Another element is respect for his and her guts. When even members of his candidate were predicting his resignation in August 1998, and that Judas Lieberman was stabbing him in the front and the back, they both hung tough and saved the United States from a terrible constitutional precedent.
So there are a lot of reasons why people support her. What that class doesn’t understand with the same depth of feeling that those of further to the left do is the cost of her and his support for the misadventure in Iraq, and the sense of danger we all feel with respect to the survival of the United States as a Constitutional Republic under rule of law.
Clinton was a great CEO and a seducer. He was not in any substantial way a leader. We are looking for leaders now, and that requires rhetorical skills and instincts that Mrs. Clinton unfortunately does not possess. As has been noted innumerable times, her sense of politics is demographic: it is poll-based. She doesn’t have the ‘feel’. People sense this. She woulds be a horrible failure as president, despite her many fine qualities. The older Dems don’t see this.
I agree with what you’ve shared here. I don’t think we had a choice BUT to defend him, given the DeLay power grab and the truly awful precedent that would set.
But knowing what we know about the Clinton enterprise, why would anyone willingly go back again? I swear, I just want to slap some of these people who talk so longingly about the 90s. I had some great times, too, and I think at least a few things that I did were meaningful. But guess what? They need to stop living in the past. We are NEVER going back. Our problems run too deep, and Clinton actually helped some of them along. And I have no idea why they think an Obama administration would not respect and promote intelligence and innovation.
I’ve met and/or worked with those appointments and staff. While a few of of them are truly insufferable (they’ve been reminded of their brilliance too many times) most of them are really good at what they do. The reality, however, is this: The political and policy prescriptions of yesteryear that were “kinda sorta OK” if you were in the right class to reap all those benefits just won’t do this time.
add another notch to the tarnishing of the Clinton brand.
Clinton’s embrace of Scaife paying dividends. BIG.
last Tuesday Clinton sat down with Scaife, her bosom enemy no:1. Many wondered why the embrace? The answer:
This week the pay off.
Scaife’s Pittsburgh Tribune-Review gives Obama a lynching. Digging out a 3 year old DOJ stat to make a hit piece.
murder is the only thing going in the black community so a vote for Obama is nothing less than a vote for murder.
unadulterated hate. just the kinda thing we’ve come to expect of Scaife.
Shame on Hillary Clinton.
NAFTA, school uniforms and Monica?
Please. I like Dionne, but he really missed the mark.
The Clinton “legacy” is one of political timidity, triangulation and prevarication. In short, it is mainly a lesson in how to not have a progressive vision for the country. Things are wrong on a structural level, and Billy boy, as one of the best Republican presidents ever, shares blame on that score.
Even some of the good things he did, he would later run from, e.g., the budget that was passed (not one single rethug voted for it, not even Connie Morella, who was THE most liberal rethug they had at the time) that ended up costing a lot of Dems their seats in ’94–and then he had the absolute gall to say “I think I raised your taxes too much, too” before an audience of the really rich.
The Clinton legacy was tarnished the minute he decided not to toss Monica Lewinsky out of the WH on her ass–for showing her ass–and thinking he’d never get caught.
From impeachment to cozying up to dictators, the tarnish just gets worse.
Howard Dean on BloombergTV (live broadcast) just now saying the only thing that will keep us from victory in November is disunity in the party. Dean hopes super- delegates will make their preferences known before July 1.
MI and FL: we’ll seat MI and Fl, question is how. The candidate with most votes, delegates, will determine that.
DNC needs to raise money..longer the race between the two candidates, it impedes what DNC has to do…in Ohio, Fl and other states.
I think you’re being unrealistic, Boo. Everything you say about Clinton is true, but Dems will need a narrative about the difference between the parties. They can’t just talk about FDR and JFK and even Carter and leave a frightened silence in the air when they get to the 1990s. They can’t just rush him out of the party if they want to remain viable. That’s just politics. How do you sell the current candidate while you’re trashing the last Dem? It can’t be done. On the other side, this is the main reason McCain will lose — he’s in an impossible situation. There’s no reason for us to do the same thing to ourselves.
The only way we’ll get past the Clinton legacy is to have a new Dem president whose achievements eclipse the previous administrations into near-oblivion. Attacking Clinton now from our side would be both useless and self-destructive. Let history judge. Believe me, I’m no Clinton fan, but he’s no Bush, and we’ve already seen what encouraging a “no difference” narrative can do to us.
Sorry to harp on.
500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died as a result of the Clinton-supported Sanctions on Iraq.
That for me will always be the Clinton Legacy, and you can’t tarnish a brand more easily than by genocide.
Those children will be with me for the rest of my life.
Malcolm
that’s ridiculous. Saddam Hussein made executive decisions that resulted in the deaths of most of those 500,000 people. If he had spent every dime he spent on palaces on baby formula he wouldn’t have seen infant mortality go through the roof. He shoulders by far the lion’s share of the blame for those statistics.
Fucking nonsense. No sanctions no deaths!!!
how about no palaces?
At the risk of joining the “roosting chicken” crowd, I don’t like “Saddam caused” v. “we caused” bifurcation. There’s a complex history behind the sanctions. There’s also a history behind Saddam’s ascension to power, one that’s been omitted in the media’s portrayal of the situation in Iraq.
I wanted to use this opportunity to revisit the issue of how Saddam rose to power. The Ba’ath party and Saddam were instruments of the CIA, which was concerned with the pro-Soviet direction of Iraq under Qassim.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/2003/0410saddam.htm
“Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party ‘as its instrument’.” – Richard Sale, UPI
“According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qassim.” – ibid.
Qassim was assassinated with the CIA’s help, and this was part of the story of how Saddam eventually assumed power. And the CIA’s involvement goes much further than passive support, since it appears that Saddam was on the CIA’s payroll.
We, or the US government that is, don’t seem to mind supporting despots when it serves our interests, and we didn’t mind supporting Saddam, especially later on in the Iran-Iraq war.
It’s also should be noted that Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait followed a rather curious diplomatic exchange.
“But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late ’60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi [Chadli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League ] or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly.” – transcript of US ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie’s conversation with Saddam Hussein
My point is simply that we have “dirty hands.” The dirty hands argument is from a political ethics course; it’s not saying that we caused the deaths under sanctions, but we do share some of the blame because we were complicit in Saddam’s rise to power.
yeah, because Reagan needed the legacy of Nixon to help him get elected. Seriously…that’s a lame argument.
I think that a large part of the reason that Hillary is hanging on so tenaciously is that this race isn’t just about Obama vs/ Clinton– It’s a watershed moment where people-powered politics are on the verge of defeating the old DLC model. A lot of people besides Hillary have a great deal at stake in this election; thousands of campaign consultants, and push-pollsters, and pundits, and all the others who make up the infrastructure of traditional political campaigns. Their world is about to get turned upside-down by the Obama movement (it almost happened with Howard Dean), and they are freaked out. Also, there is great concern among the big money types and the special interests who have always been the beneficiaries of the old top-down political culture. They see barbarians at the gates (that’s us) and they worry that their insider status is about to be challenged by a politics that they don’t understand and can’t control.
Notice the same thing is happening on the GOP side. McCain doesn’t have many fans here, but traditional social and fiscal conservatives in the GOP are not pleased with McCain and never have been.
And folks such as Rush are quick to distance themselves from the GOP. Conservatives are not changing they say, just the GOP.
Well the same is true for the Dem. The old guard, not necessarily as ideologically strident as conservatives, are being pushed aside by younger and less entrenched thinkers with a different idea about how the party should be run and politics played.
If the Democrats and the Clinton’s are worried about the Clinton legacy then they should have done what other former Presidents do. Good works, autobiographies, speeches, golf and fishing.
Why is everyone so concerned about legacies? Why aren’t they concerned about what they’ve accomplished and let others decide about their legacies later. The times are so nasty we need to be concerned with the here and now. Mrs. Clinton wants to be part of the present and part of a legacy which is the past. She is the past and has nothing to do with the present. I wish that one of these newspapers gasbags would tell me specifically what the so-called Clinton legacy actually is. What is it, damn it. I see nothing. Clinton had the luck that his presidency coincided with the emergence of the internet and all the financial hype surrounding it, including the idiotic end-days millennialism of the millennium. Do you remember that? Looking back I get the impression he may have actually liked the attention and sympathy the Monica Lewinsky scandal gave him. In fact, Mrs. Clinton’s running for a good part on the ‘I stand by my guy Bill’ theme which somehow works inspirationally, evidently. Okay, she and Bill are smart. Right. So are Mr. and Mrs. Obama and a hell of a lot of other people who are miles smarter than the Clintons who, if you look carefully, are not all that special. What is this LEGACY crap. Even George I goes on and on about his legacy. Don’t give me a legacy, give me a chance.
I meant Georgie 2. Georgie 1 seems to be more reticent. Did any president talk about their own legacy years ago. Not that I remember.