Take a look at this?
Fourteen months into a campaign that has the feel of a movement, Sen. Barack Obama has collided with the gritty political traditions of Philadelphia, where ward bosses love their candidates, but also expect them to pay up.
The dispute centers on the dispensing of “street money,” a long-standing Philadelphia ritual in which candidates deliver cash to the city’s Democratic operatives in return for getting out the vote.
Flush with payments from well-funded campaigns, the ward leaders and Democratic Party bosses typically spread out the cash in the days before the election, handing $10, $20 and $50 bills to the foot soldiers and loyalists who make up the party’s workforce.
It is all legal — but Obama’s people are telling the local bosses he won’t pay.
That sets up a culture clash, pitting a candidate who promises to transform American politics against the realities of a local political system important to his presidential hopes. Pennsylvania holds its primary April 22.
Obama’s posture confounds neighborhood political leaders sympathetic to his cause. They caution that if the senator from Illinois withholds money that gubernatorial, mayoral and presidential candidates have willingly paid out for decades, there could be defections to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. And the Clinton campaign, in contrast, will oblige in forking over the money, these ward leaders predict.
[h/t to jpol]
In Philadelphia, we have perhaps the most active and successful progressive movement in the country and we have been working to reform Philly politics through organizations like the Committee of Seventy and Philly for Change, and by electing candidates like Mayor Michael Nutter, councilwoman Maria Quiñones-Sánchez, state Senator Tony Payton, and (hopefully) state Senator Anne Dicker. It’s all about cleaning up after the old machine. And Obama’s decision to eschew machine pay-offs fits right in with our reforming spirit. It shows that he will not do anything to win. He knows he can win the right way.
Very noble, but probably not very smart. “Obama’s posture confounds neighborhood political leaders sympathetic to his cause. ” The middle of a campaign is probably not the best time to start trying to clean up the machine. When in Rome, etc. You’re gonna need these people later, Obama. Reminds me of John Lindsay, not exactly the best mayor NYC ever had.
he might win more votes doing it this way than he’ll lose. The machine is tired and ineffective. It can’t compete at all with Facebook or Obama’s organizers. Actually, he’d be better off paying the machine not to get the vote out, because they are best at getting out the types of voters that would vote for Clinton. Fattah’s people might not work as hard on election day because of this, but on balance this is great press.
It’s also the right thing to do. We’re used to street money around here, and it isn’t illegal. But it sets an ethical tone that he’s not going to pay for votes. And the machine should not expect to get paid.
The only loss is for a lot of people that really need the money.
Opportunity for dhange never comes at convenient times.
Having grown up in the Chicago area, I can say it used to be this way in Chicago. Perhaps Obama understands this system all to well.
…he might win more votes doing it this way than he’ll lose…
That’s my concern. Will he? As an ex-Philadelphian my thought when I heard this was “Noble, but a hell of a time to pick this fight…”
The only way I can see this being an upside is if he follows up on the howls coming out of the Philly machine with the reply that we need to move beyond political payoffs – And then listing in ads or for the media all the favors HRC has done for her big-name supporters. I hear she got Rendell’s wife a judgeship? Es verdad? THAT would pick him up more votes than he loses out of this.
why should Obama pay when he has multi thousands of unpaid volunteers pouring in to GOTV. ..the emotive transcends money.
What if he ran ads over the heads of ward bosses… who are likely crawling under the rocks as a result of this national coverage?
Obama’s refusal underscores his message. We need to change the Old politics that pays out to win at all cost
And really, it’s not even about the folks who could use $50. It’s about the ward leaders themselves. That threatens THEIR power. And the stupid ass crabs in a bucket mentality…give me a few thousand dollars, because you’re giving local affiliates millions in ad revenue? And if you don’t, I’ll go work HRC, who has basically showed you the back of her hand?
Damn. A goddamned chicken dinner. It’s shit like this that I cannot stand.
but – but – but – If you get rid of the committeemen and ward leaders who will fix the G#% D#$% traffic tickets! You’re threatening the entire Philadelphia social order here! </snark>
Amen
As much as I like the way it looks for Obama not to pay for votes, I don’t think it’s the smartest move either.
Philadelphia’s disgusting political culture is changing, but it’s changing VERY slowly. The race is tightening in PA, and Obama is going to need all the support he can get.
jaded motherfucker that you are, you can’t even give him due credit for taking a stand. 😉
Easy there cowboy. It has nothing to do with being jaded this time. I think it’s great in theory that he’s taking a stand on this. And in just about any other city, I’d applaud the move.
But this is Philly, and even someone like Nutter needed walking around money.
But hey, maybe you’ll be vindicated. So far your record is pretty damn good.
“Can’t even give him due credit”??
What part of “As much as I like the way it looks for Obama not to pay for votes,” did you miss? 🙂
I didn’t miss it, but then I saw you thought he was unintelligent to take a stand.
I give him credit for it, I just don’t think it’s the wisest course of action.
If you jumped in front of a speeding car to save a puppy, I’d give you credit for that, but I wouldn’t think that was the wisest course of action either.
It might cost him a few votes…maybe.
But who cares? It’s much more important to maintain distinctions and be authentic about a new style of politics. In the long run, this is all win-win.
well, my fingers are certainly crossed for him and I’ve put a sign up in my window.
This sounds very familiar; it used to be the norm here too. In fact, I had a family member lose an election back in the 70’s after he refused to pay the ward organization and they affirmatively told people not to vote for him. (It was also the first year for punch card voting and we became very familiar with the concept of chads long before the Florida debacle.)
I think they still try to hit candidates up for $$$ but it’s a tired old machine now and I don’t know how successful they are.
Obama is doing the right thing but I hope it doesn’t hurt him.
you know what I love?
Certain people that will go unnamed are calling him stupid for doing this after spending a year saying he is just another Chicago machine politician.
If he was really just another Daley man he would pay out by reflex.
Good point.
I was so about to go there.
Oh, he’s just another politician. But when he shows how different he is, he gets a lot of shit for it.
I’m speaking very broadly in terms of the type of society we have. I do not suggest that anyone here is downing him. I happen to agree that it is a risk, because passing out street money is an old, bad–but effective–habit. And some people really do need it. I just think he’s no stranger to the concept and will be smart enough to have another plan.
In general, it’s just a damned trip to hear people bitch and moan about how corrupt politics is, and in the very next breath, turn right around and cling to the corruption.
When my husband the committeeman heard that in Philly people are PAID to stand outside the polling place for 14 hours, recruit people to sit inside to tick off who voted and other people to call those who hadn’t yet voted, and sort out voters’ problems, he said he’d moved to the wrong part of Pennsylvania!
“he said he’d moved to the wrong part of Pennsylvania!”
All of Pennsylvania is the wrong part of Pennsylvania.
Some parts are just marginally less hellish than others.
Or just hellish in their own peculiar way…
our corner just got a little less hellish.
we kegged last night!
Nah, he loves Pennsylvania. He was just amazed; he thought politics was volunteer work, like church stuff, and put in many hours of it.
Well, it is volunteer work out here in the boonies.
whatever. hypocrisy and politics go side by side.
What I want to know is who spilled the beans on this? This can’t be the first city where the Obama campaign didn’t play the pay game. So why is it hitting the LA Times this time? Who gains? Clinton? Why?
An outsider playing Chicago politics against the machine would refuse to pay the machine and then leak that to the press. Cuz most average voters hate the machine even as they perpetuate it. 😉
I don’t know, but in reading about this over at Big Orange I found this very interesting video clip.
Pennsylvania is apparently not the first state where Obama has done an end-run around the street money, politics-as-usual machine. Now granted the political climate in South Carolina was a lot more favorable for him than it is in Philadelphia, but it gives me hope that maybe he can do it again.
Hey, Omir, very worthwhile video. Thanks a bunch.
I can’t wait to find out how many people and votes Hillary has to buy.
I will be rubbing it in too.
Perhaps its the confirmation that Bush’s inner circle directed torture while under the roof of the WH, but today the argument that Obama might be smart to use the status quo because he’s going to need all the help he can get, just doesn’t work for me. Too Cheneyesque.
Machine politics is kind of alien to me, having only lived a very short time in a big city. And it seems to be more of a northern thing. So I guess I don’t follow what the implications of this are from a practical perspective. If it’s the case that it could seriously damage him in Philly, I’d say, “Well, just give’em the damned money so they’ll shut up and do the work.”
“He’s doing the right thing.” Well, that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald’s. He needs to do what he can to win this thing.
His greatest fault.
The stuff of Greek tragedy, I fear.
Watch.
AG
Are you suggesting that Mrs. Clinton has failed to corner the market on hubris?
Cornered the market?? Her campaign runs on it like an RV runs on diesel.
Watch.
If Obama tanks, that will be the reason.
Watch.
That bit about not playing ball with the Philly ward heelers?
Hubris.
Watch.
AG
I keep reading that PA is Clinton’s to lose.
The other day Booman describes the demographics of the high school Obama spoke at (note he was the only candidate to respond to a student invite). Chester County, Pennsylvania is an almost embarrassingly affluent place, and the Great Valley School District is even more so. Sometimes it seems like everyone lives in a massive house and drives a massive car, although that’s not really true. But, it’s wealthy.
Think some of those wealthy folks will be pleased that Obama is not going to play the political game in the same way? Maybe pleased enough to send some money Obama’s way? Maybe increase the number of supporters – volunteers – voters?
Again, Obama has challenged the status quo – ahead of the Clinton campaign. So how will her campaign react? Notice, too, they are so often having to react rather than set the pace or tone.
This is a win-win for Obama, if you ask me. If he wins in PA it will be because he did a Rendell on Philadelphia (and maybe a couple other areas like Pittsburgh and State College) which proves he didn’t need to pay out the street money. And if he loses PA, well nobody thought he could win anyway, and he still has his integrity.
I think these folks will be pleased too.
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like falling in love after a very long time of being alone. I was an Edwards supporter to start and was with John all the way. When he dropped out I started paying closer attention to Barak, He has turned out to be the friend one thinks one will never date. He has shown me in each passing day why he is so worthy of my love/support. Either he is a conman(and I have met a few in my life)or the real deal. I have waited for 40 years to really be this excited about a candidate. Keep it real Barak.
One can be shrewd politically and make a morally good decision. Ward politics have been trumped in a lot of places over the years. Certainly, Obama’s campaign seems to have bypassed much of it because, well, the machine was generally with Hillary. It was by necessity that his team has created their own parallel network of operatives in each state.
The recent book about the Kennedys, BROTHERS, was a good look into how they operated in a mine field created by political opponents, and I see a similar mastery of politics with Obama. (Warning: the execrable, slanderous, false chapter about Jim Garrison ruins an otherwise good book.) He is more politically savvy than Clinton ever will be, as demonstrated by her campaign versus his.
You’re right Boo Man, it is another reason to vote for Obama. It’s called integrity. I admire him intensely for it and hope that you are corrrect in your estimate that he can win the right way. Could a new movement, in fact, be forming? One based on honesty and respect. I sure hope so.
To reach your destination, you must go in the right direction.
What I’m trying (and failing) to remember is where I saw a contrast made explaining why HRC’s campaign had such high bills for sandwich & coffee providers… (the contrast was that BHO’s campaign offices needed schedulers to coordinate which volunteer cook was bringing food on which day…)
Wish I could swing a trip to PA!
That sounds like it tells me a lot about the differences between the two candidates and their campaigns. Clinton has to pay people to do things that people are lining up to do for Obama for free.
And the volunteer-prepared food in South Carolina was better than ANYTHING you could buy or order. Trust me on that. 🙂
Closer to home…I didn’t have time to cook anything, so several people pitched in for a caterer on election day, who, IIRC, didn’t charge full price for the services. When I say “caterer” I don’t mean tablecloth, flowers and ice sculpture–just burners with plenty of baked and fried chicken, gumbo, rice, veggies…that type of thing. But real food prepared well, along w/ the standard pizza and sandwiches. Vegetarians were also well taken of.
But we just went into our office would just “get in where we fit in.” Mr. AP networked the office, for example. We made sure there was plenty of water. Just all kinds of stuff of the big and little variety.
In my city they got so much food prepared by volunteers that they’ve been able to share with the local homeless shelter.