Asked whether he was aware that his National Security Council Principals Committee discussed and approved torturing human beings that we’re being held at the U.S. government’s mercy, our President responded:
“Well, we started to connect the dots in order to protect the American people.” Bush told ABC News White House correspondent Martha Raddatz. “And yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved.”
To be more specific about what Bush knew about and approved:
As first reported by ABC News Wednesday, the most senior Bush administration officials repeatedly discussed and approved specific details of exactly how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the CIA.
The high-level discussions about these “enhanced interrogation techniques” were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed — down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.
These top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects — whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding, sources told ABC news.
No one with any credibility on human rights thinks that waterboarding is legal under U.S. or international law. And waterboarding is not the only violation of law committed by our government and approved by the president. A look at the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention Against Torture clearly demonstrates that our country is guilty of numerous violations.
As recently as March, the president vetoed a bill banning torture. And the international press is covering the news that torture was authorized at the highest levels, even if our domestic press is more concerned with meaningless back and forth arguments in the Democratic primary.
The reputation of our nation has been seriously damaged, and ignoring the damage will only exacerbate the problem. Unfortunately, neither the media nor the Congress appear capable of coming to terms with what was done in our name and doing anything about it. The ACLU is calling for a Special Prosecutor, but it is very unlikely that the Bush administration will willingly authorize someone to investigate them for serious felonies that they have already confessed. Any talk of impeachment must account for the seriously depressing prospect that the Republican Party will act collectively as official apologists for torture and thereby, by failing to convict, establish the unhealthy precedent that the most serious violations of human rights are not worthy of removal from office. Compounding the problem is that a failure to attempt to impeach will establish the same precedent.
It is hard to believe that just ten years ago this nation impeached a president for lying about his sex life in a civil deposition in a case that was eventually tossed for lack of merit. Ten years ago the media could not grant enough coverage to the crimes of the president, but now even confessed felonies are covered over in favor of silly campaign coverage.
Meanwhile, the world sees us for what we are.
The senior advisers who were known to be present at the meetings at one time or another, where such details were discussed, include Vice-President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (chair), Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft. A more motley or duplicitous gathering is difficult to imagine.
Despite the often repeated claims of these senior personnel that they were not fully abreast of the techniques used by the CIA in questioning alleged Al Qaida operatives, it is now very clear that not only were they aware, but they also went into specific detail as to what should be done to whom, and how.
Apparently, after one meeting, Ashcroft said, “History will not judge this kindly.” Forget history, the treatment is merciless at any time.
We, as a nation, need to do something about this. It is a most difficult thing to come to terms with. There is a strong impulse to set this aside and write it off as an overreaction to the national trauma of 9/11. We see the same instinct in how so many want to grant retroactive immunity to telecommunications carriers that were ‘only doing their patriotic duty’ when they allowed the government to violate our 4th Amendment rights and spy on us without judicial warrants. In this case, government officials were ‘only trying to keep us safe’. That’s their defense, but it is not an adequate defense. And it does nothing to justify Bush’s recent veto of a bill banning torture.
Bush and Cheney will be leaving office in nine months, and the easiest thing to do is to just run out the clock. But that isn’t the right thing to do. And it will not absolve us of our responsibility to punish injustice and vindicate our nation’s commitment to human rights and the rule of law. Just look at how the world views us. Are we to let this stand?
And, yet, what can we do? With Clinton and Obama distracted by the primaries and the domestic press in the bag and with Republican complicity and administration obstruction, there seems to be no leadership and no path to a solution.
That leaves the responsibility on citizen activists…people like you and me. If the media won’t cover it, we will. And we will hope that shame compels the media to recognize our shame and agony, and our commitment to our country and its reputation in the world.
First, we have to work to insure Democratic supermajorities in both houses of Congress next year. We work to elect President Obama. Simultaneously, in the background, we construct a proposal for a Congressional investigation into war crimes, conducted in full cooperation with the World Court. I believe we should issue our own indictments, arrest the defendants, and extradite them immediately to The Hague for further prosecution under interational law. Let those trials play out first, then bring them back to finish the process by trying them here under American law.
I’d expect to see a lot of life sentences out of this. The right wing noise machine will squeal like never before, but as the depravity of the abuses sinks in to the public consciousness, the effectiveness of the Wurlitzer will diminish to nothing. This can be done, but it will take patience and determination to pull it off.
the 21st century belongs to others, not the Anglo-Saxons.
So if we won’t or don’t indict, there are others who will. Either we clean up our shame, ourselves now, or be shamed by the international community later.
Count on it.
Geopolitical power has shifted.
Omen: former AGAbu Gonzales has tough time landing a job.
Wonder why? See the Update in the link.
I applaud you for your post. What do you suggest. Just check out the media. Where are the stories.Then, how about the punditry. Anything happening there? Not a god damned thing. What’s curent term? Oh, right- the latest news cycle. Zip! How about print copy devoted to this impeachable admission? Nope!
Might I suggest an investment in Teflon!
Or maybe we, as a country have moved passed the “Constitutional Period”. Maybe what is happening now is the reintroduction of the robber baron period. Or possibly a return to a Monarchial rule. Wrong?
I defy anyone to point out venture into the dep water of discoures on this subject.
Sen. Obama speaks to truths that deserve to be talked about everywhere in this country. Those that attend his gatherings cheer with all there hearts when he expresses their anger and frustration at what this country has done to them. And yes, -What this country has DONE to them! Yet look at what is being done to him!
So, what is the answer. With his own party unwilling to stop a runaway president. With a media refusing to honestly report the FACTS. With a citizenry unable to understand that their jobs, pensions, healthcare and privacy are being methodically stripped away as they slowly lemming like march to the strains of of a Bushian funereal dirge.
You want to know what we can do?
The only thing left is simple.THE STREETS! That is all we have left. March — and continue to MARCH. The workers. The colleges. The High Schools. The Housewives. The Husbands. EVERYONE. That is what we can do.
“The easiest thing to do is just run out the clock. But that isn’t the right thing to do.” I’m glad I read that here, and hope I will read/see/hear that in the MSM. I hope I will, but I know I won’t. Thanks for saying what needs to be said, Boo.
“With Clinton and Obama distracted by the primaries…”
Um, actually, I think they could stand to be distracted by this. I would like to see people ask all three of them–yes, maybe especially St. John, too– whether they’ve seen the ABC information, if not, why not, and what they plan to do about it. I am not foolish enough to think that any of the Village Media will ask them. It will have to be either at a townhall, or via guerilla journalism.
These are, after all, the matters of the very utmost importance in this election. Our government has been gutted by thieves, and we are feared and loathed by the rest of the world. How do we change this, Senators? Oh, and “moving forward as a nation” (a la letting Nixon off the hook, forgetting the Iran/Contra crimes) is not an option.
According to a 2004 ABC poll on torture, many Americans approve of torture, and a majority accept at least some forms of it. Further,
By a large margin, people approved of practices that can break a person — blinding with a hood, sleep deprivation, and relentless, deafening noise. They just don’t see this as “torture”. About 25% of men approved of methods such as holding under water, threatening relatives, and electric shock.
More:
2005 MSNBC poll: “In America, 61 percent of those surveyed agreed torture is justified at least on rare occasions.”
2005 Harris poll: “Majorities of Public Believe that Torture, ‘Rendition’ and the Use of Secret Prison Camps Outside U.S. are Sometimes Justified”
“Sometimes” and “rare” are far too elastic, and “often” begins to seem like mere over-enthusiasm not crime.
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The ugly question: What fraction those who “disapprove of (some) torture” would actively support prosecution? — After more years of numbing? After generational change has moved another notch? After our highest elected officials (not rogue agents) have given their blessing, and Congress has tacitly approved, and the noise machine has worked hard to shift even more forms of torture into the acceptable or not-so-bad category?
Truth and Reconciliation
This situation argues for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with a broad mandate and based on normal — not rigidly legal — standards of evidence, and of right and wrong. Josh Marshall has called for one.
Prosecution, no matter how just and desirable, would be a narrow, difficult, protracted, and (sadly) divisive remedy. (An open, non-prosecutorial inquiry, however, might afterward make prosecution more practical, and might even be a shortcut to conviction. I hope so.)
The Bush inner circle may have directly authorized forms of torture that horrify enough people that prosecution would work, and the evidence may be clear enough for this to go forward with reasonable speed. We need to find out.
That’s what I’ve been thinking also. That after 8 years of the bush cabal our public mindset has been beaten down to accept anything including torture by I’m afraid far too many people in this country. The ‘good german’ syndrome is definately in effect and affecting way too much of the general public.(fostered of course by the msm-and the true stumbling block to informing the citizens of what is really happening to their country)
That is what is truly scary-the point in this country where people can argue FOR torture.
As for Booman’s suggestion that we have to do something, I agree but I don’t know exactly what yet it is we can do that will start to make a difference and keep or get this into the public consciousness. Some good suggestions so far and I think we have to keep talking about this until we can come up with some sort of coordinated plan.
… people do evolve beyond answers to polarizing questionnaires fed by propagandizing pollsters (controlled by the GOP) back in 2004 and ’05. (Although, I’ll admit that republicans still control America’s media oligopoly — otherwise we would have a free and independent press — that we don’t.)
This is well done, Booman. I regretted my aggressive response to your question, but managed to forgive myself for it. People want to be proud of themselves and will go through all kinds of mental contortions to avoid shame.
I think your civilty shames most of us extremists here in the pond and we are better for it. We need to do the same for our fellow citizens, because our ruling cabal has no shame. They are proud of titles and lapel pins.
The blogswarm has already begun. I’d love to see flash-mobs of people dressed in orange jumpsuits everywhere. No need to carry a sign – it’s a perfect statement, just avoid congregating. I’m going to contact Amnesy International to outfit me for that next public event.
Johnny Cash gave us a good explanation for always wearing orange.
This is why I read you. 🙂
One good thing about this election is that people who did not previously get their news from blog posts and youtube are starting to get it that way. I don’t mean young people – I mean older people. Parents and older co-workers get into the loop as we pass along youtubes of the candidates etc and at first they thought it was a bit strange but now they are getting into it. I have a few older people at my office who are big fans of JedReport these days.
So it’s more possible than ever to write things that will reach a lot of people. And get more people talking. And get more people demanding action.
This reminded me of Lord Mansfield‘s Fiat justitia ruat caelum (let justice be done, though the heavens fall) during Somersett’s Case. Mansfield wanted to avoid making a decision because of possible economic repercussions. Prior to hearing the case he said,
Mansfield’s judgment,
Though the Heavens May Fall: The Landmark Trial That Led to the End of Human Slavery
David Greenberg covered Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus here & here (may provide some clues on next steps?). Looking for links about the response to 9/11 found “people-to-people diplomacy” — The Peaceful Response to 9/11 & September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows.
The nation’s honor is at stake in this matter of torture sanctioned by the highest officials of the land. They have disgraced us all and imposed upon the national image a stain of almost ineradicable nature. Of what worth now our sacred documents like the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Of what use our practical principles of federalism and separatioon of powers, of habeas corpus, of trial by jury? Of what value our sacred ideas of innocence until proven guilty, of legal counsel, of confronting hostile witnesses, of being safe in the privacy of our homes?
A dark cloud of oppression is descending upon us all. Upon our nation. Upon our civilization. Let us demonstrate, let us agitate, let us march and boycott, let us participate actively in the political process, let us so conduct ourselves that should our culture last a thousand years, future generations will say “this was our finest hour.”
My powers of healing are soaring off scale, and angels rejoice at my side. Is this why so many people touch me?
The ACLU has a petition via crooks and liars (sorry, I am computer illiterate and don’t know how to provide a link) that your readers can sign after a president of the US confessed last Friday that he (Bush) had given his seal of approval to torture people.