Are you a party activist?
There’s a firestorm. Friday night fire: The Net is on Fire.
Call in The Firefighters.
Hillary Clinton at a small fundraiser, attacks MoveOn.org (Democratic Activists). It’s all their fault that she’s losing.
They intimidate. Huffpost has the scoop with audio
“Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] — which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down,” Clinton said to a meeting of donors. “We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn’t even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that’s what we’re dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It’s primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don’t agree with them. They know I don’t agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.”
Senator Clinton’s remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party’s success — regardless of who is the eventual nominee — in the general election showdown.”
MoveOn.org member, Jane Hamsher at Firedoglake is pissed, plenty pissed.
Asks, “does she want my vote?”
Go read, thank me later. Then tell who’s the bitter whinny one.
from readers at FDL;
As we all know MoveOn.org endorsed Obama.
Sadly we’ll need six months to heal before any convention can held in a unified atmosphere.
Shades of 1968.
In 1968 there were people ready to put their bodies ON THE LINE against this ongoing shit.
Now?
PFFFFFT!!!!
Nada.
The convention will go on; the hustle will win out one way or another and the so-called “protesters” will have either been bought off with massive overdoses of WimpyBurgers or confined to a steel cage somewhere under a highway blocks away just as they were in Boston in ’04.
Bullshit.
The convention will be as whited-out as were the so-called debates.
ABCCBSNBCCNNFOX will see to that.
That’s their job.
ABCCBSNBCCNNFOX and you fools who watch them.
I surfed the Evening News last night oh boy.
How can a “news system” that is almost totally sponsored by Big Pharma and Big Credit, a news system that gives you three minutes of so-called truth…truth that is produced at a relatively inexpensive level… interspersed with a minute of incredibly well-produced, glossy lies (Take PharmaCol!!! It’ll cure everything that ails you!!! can’t afford it? Invest in BankAmer!!!”)…how can something like that be ANYTHING but part of an ongoing scam?
Unbelievable.
The “convention”?
No matter WHO wins, it will be just another drug to be administered intra(TV)enously to the hysterical American public.
What utter BULLSHIT!!!
AG
Oh my AG.
thanks for dropping by.
you’re too heavily invested in your own cynicism.
I’d almost say that you are bitter.
For someone that spent the last year arguing that Clinton knows the game is played and is therefore the best available option, I have trouble seeing where you get the high moral ground to look down your nose at the system.
You have trouble seeing where I am coming from?
Well Booman, I’ll try to lay it out for you yet again.
1-This system in its basic form is now impregnable to anything but complete destruction. It cannot be substantially changed, only managed. It is simply too big. The rich are too rich and the powerful are too powerful.
2-I do not want to see it destroyed. I live here; my loved ones and friends live here; I have invested my entire life in an art form that is peculiarly American, and counting both sides of my family using the geometric progression approach to genealogy and a 20 year generation quotient, I have roughly 66,000 direct blood ancestors who have lived and died on this soil…all but a very few of them working people, people who worked with their hands. Farmers and fishermen and pioneers. As far as I have been able to see on my extensive world travels through every strata of society from the world of very rich (Where I function as a sort of servant so that I get to see what’s going on behind the stairs…”The artist is the elite of the servant class.”-George Bernard Shaw) right on through the scuffling poor both here and in the Third World not as a tourist but as a welcome guest who brings something of value…as fucked up as this place has become it is still one of only a few places on earth where one can have some semblance of personal freedom and a chance to make an honest living.
The people who have been managing this system for the last 8 years (and for a total of about 50 years out of the last 60) are in the process of mismanaging it right into the ground and then it will become just another militarily-run oligarchy until the rot runs its course and it falls just as has every other military dictatorship of any sort over the history of the world.
In my opinion both Hillary Clinton AND her husband understand all of the above and decided many years ago to try to be “good managers” as best as they could. I believe the same thing of Barack Obama, and further I believe that he is at least as intelligent as are they and quite possibly even more qualified to be a good manager because he came up dealing with America’s original sin of racism from the shitty side of the stick as did his even tougher spouse. They form a team that resembles the Clintons in SO many ways. He’s a charmer; she is as tough as nails.
BUT…Senator Obama does not know what the Clintons know. The day the intel people walk into his office as President of the U.S. and lay out what is really up…at least as much as they wish to tell him…will be his first day really in the know. The Clintons have him by nearly 20 years in this regard, plus they have for 20 years studied and learned how to manipulate the levers of this gargantuan, creaky construct we laughingly call “The United States of America” quite well.
Had Bill not allowed himself to be honeytrapped…everyone has a weakness and the intel people just keep probing until they find it when they have a job to do…everything would be different.
But he did and it isn’t. This is what we’ve got, and what I see is a better chance for Clinton to be able to successfully manage this place than does Obama. What I REALLY wanted to see was an Obama Vice-Presidency under special conditions…a Vice-Presidency that had substance to its duties…where for 4 or 8 years he could have studied and learned what is really going on behind the curtain. I truly believe that this is what we would have gotten had the so-called “activist left”…the soft, moody, self-absorbed American leftiness shmoon…not combined its knee-jerk hatreds of the Clintons with other knee-jerk racial (“liberal”) and sexual (unfuckingconscious) attitudes and gone off on ITS high horse to persecute Hillary Clinton for not being radical enough…as if Barack Obama is “radical”… not being man enough, being too MUCH “man”, being too calculating, too cold, too crooked, too whatever the fuck you think she is.
But you insatiable leftinesses did…I fucking GUARANTEE that should Obama manage to be nominated many of you will turn against him for being too “centrist” and if he wins and succeeds he will inherit the mantle of the Clintons as the turncoat enemy… and now this is what we have got. A split and injured Democratic Party and a renascent Republican Party.
Good work.
Later…
AG
The GOP is about the furthest thing from renascent.
They don’t even like their nominee. Imagine if we had Bob Casey running for president. That’s what they have. A low energy guy, whose policies in important areas are anathema to the party activists.
Clinton’s loss should teach you something about the dangers of an uphappy base.
McCain HAS a base.
The anti-Dem base.
It’s big, Booman.
And the campaign that they run against Obama will make it bigger.
Watch.
People will be coming out of the WOODWORK to vote Ratpub.
Meanwhile Obama will try to stay above the fray.
C’mon Booman.
YOU know the drill by now.
McCain? No base?
Please.
SO many Omerticans buy by brand name.
Don’t listen to Keith O. Compare the actual ratings of Olbermann and O’Reilly for all you need to know about “bases”.
That’s 36% for KO, 64% for O’Reailly. That’s 2 to 1 in the “base”, and THAT does not cover the plain fact that most of the Ratpub faithful are in an age group and demographic that’s not all that big on the cable scene.
Is KO “catching up”?
I suppose.
In another five years…
In another five years we will all be fucking dead if we do not take care of business now.
So it goes.
See ya in Hell, Booman.
Or wherever…
AG
He looks like Grandpa Munster, he has the energy of a couch potato, and he’s selling people dogshit.
Not only that, but he isn’t good at selling fear. ‘Straight Talk’, no matter how stilted, doesn’t get it done. He hasn’t a clue how to sell dogshit.
That look superficially like he knows how to get it done, but that’s a dog that won’t hunt. The guy is like Fred Flintsone in a Jetsons world.
Well enough so’s they could hustle out a crooked victory, anyway.
They sold the decrepit Reagan.
They can sell McCain.
He has more balls and more intelligence than both of them.
Watch.
Sorry Booman…just calling it like I see it.
Clicking your ruby slippers together three times and wishing for home ain’t gonna cut it.
Never has.
The United Staes of Ozmerica?
Only on the leftiness blogs.
Sorry…you’re headed for a dark Fitzmas, just like the ones we’ve had before.
Only bigger.
Watch.
AG
I’ll match my predictive powers against you anytime. What are you know, like 0-30?
Oh my AG, thanks for your second helpings.
For amusement, I do some surfing on shortwave radio. It’s a smorgasbord of conspiracies: “End Times” pastors; The Right Point of View – sounds innocent enough – what is served are views of racists and soft rednecks who watch Fox News; – those who profess system will be destroyed; one world order from H.W.Bush and former senator Gary Hart; the Bilderburgers are coming….sprinkled with bits and pieces of economic speculations and smears.
I’ve heard the following:
Obama is a Marxist! don’t listen to him
Obama is a Muslim, but…also
His black pastor at Trinity Church is unpatriotic all over TV.
Obama is Cain.
Obama is a terrorist, the monkey
Obama is anti-Christ, he’ll ban the Bible that has passages against perverts.
He is anti the Constitution, will bring us mark of the beast.
ObamaNation will be an abomination.
Can one man be seen so differently by so many? Is this America, the world’s most intelligent, literate, God worshiping society?
Obama has spent enough time in Washington to know what it’s all about. You do not think the PTB brief ALL senators? Obama sees what Eisenhower warned us about…if that’s your concern…it’s been guns and butter…and chickens are hometo roost.
We’re not naive as you think we are AG. You miss the whole point of the people revolution. Listen very carefully. We will take back this country.
I must say your view of the Clintons is a tad short b/c Clinton represents pure sleaze, personal wealth – Clintons for Clintons…crass pursuit of waelth.
Review again the Clinton administration so called prosperous years…must have taken place in la la land. It went bust. Did you miss that?
I don’t know if I can say this coherently, but (your post is kinda inspiring me). It isn’t what President Obama does or does not do that’s important (well, it is) — imho, it’s what Progressive Democrats can accomplish riding those coattails. What am I trying to say here? We’re just not voters, we’re not demographics or focus groups. We’re not just consumers. We’re Citizens. What does it mean to be an American Citizen in the 21st Century? I would like Progressives to define this. Especially for this generation of young voters.
Jane isn’t the only one pissed off. Hillary just lost what little remaining respect I had for any of her previous work. This whiny &^^^ she has become not only needs to lose this election but be primaried and lose her seat in the Senate. Time for Hillary to GO!!!
Democratic Activist for Obama
Lets continue a read of the fire pups’ comments at FDL
In a word, Clinton again has reconfirmed to me no: 1001 time – she’s an ingrate.
…at Huffington Post
I just made another donation to MoveOn, in Hillary’s honor, of course.
this episode is one more example.
we’ve been Clintonshafted.
Under the guise of public service the Clintons used the Democratic Party for their own crass pursuit of power…. because it would open the doors to personal wealth, the millions of dollars they envied. Ever so well calculated and executed.
The Clintons lost my respect when they sucked up to Poppy Bush; gave cover to the other dim-witted Bush on the Iraq war. ..all on their climb to be accepted by business titans.
A most unprincipled couple.
They hold in contempt the very people who rallied to their side during the dark days of the “they killed Vince Foster” smear and Monica Lewinsky-impeachment saga.
Gawd, unprincipled does not describe them.
this comment stood out as l was reading through the thread this am; a rather well put and heartfelt description of the difference between clinton and obama…the oligarchy vs. the people, as it were:
well said.
Where’s Hillary? I ask b/c she started in PA with a 20-point lead.
Last night, (Friday, April 18, 2008) mark this date –
AP: Obama was greeted by the largest crowd of his campaign
Some 35,000 people jammed into Independence Park
yes, 200 years ago today’s activists would’ve been called patriots.
I couldn’t have put it better myself.
Good of you.
It’s not going well for Clinton so she needs to be on the attack, not satisfied with the low road.
it’s the gutter.
That circular by inference/association will also slime Mayor Daley.
Every other day, the Drudge also has her back. Not a mention of the Newsweek poll yesterday showing Obama with a 20-point lead over Clinton…same time frame as Gallup:
*Shock Poll. Gallup Daily: Clinton Passes Obama.
Link to Gallup shows a 2-point gain for Clinton
Obama 45%
Clinton 46%
previously a 3-point difference for Obama. And there’s that margin of error. Only poll at this point is April 22.
The Hatman also reports : NYT Sunday Clinton in cash crunch; Donors Maxed Out, Tired… DEVELOPING…
NYT SUNDAY: Disloyality of Once-Clinton Supporters….
Should be interesting.
Hope uncommitted Super-Ds are reading.
I’ve really got to slow down and read things twice – I was about to ask, “Who’s the angry hamster?”