…the U.S. alliances with Japan and South Korea have been among the most successful in this nation’s history. While building a similar bond with Iraq may prove impossible, it’s hard to understand why Democrats would oppose it in principle.
There isn’t any separation here between what’s impossible and ‘principle’. The United States of America did not invade Iraq to protect it from communist domination or to defeat an empire that had carried out a sneak attack on our Pacific Naval fleet. There is no legitimacy whatsoever to our occupation of Iraq. The only consideration that favors the continuing occupation of Iraq is a variation of Colin Powell’s Pottery Barn rule, which is that since we broke Iraq we have some obligation to pay for fixing Iraq. Or, to put it in Fred Hiatt’s terms:
But [Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki] pointedly told a press briefing that negotiations on the strategic partnership would continue. He repeated that commitment on Friday, even after warning that the talks had “reached a dead end.” In effect, the Iraqi prime minister was saying that his country does not want to become an Iranian satellite but an independent Arab state that would look to the United States to ensure its security.
America can ‘ensure’ Iraq’s security without occupying their country with 58 military bases. Iran has no history of invading its neighbors and they would find it just as impossible to rule Iraq as we have found it to be. They will not invade Iraq. And even if they lost their minds and did invade Iraq, we would be perfectly capable of doing what we did when Kuwait was invaded, and expelling the invaders. If there is an argument for a permanent occupation of Iraq it not to deter Iranian aggression but to prevent an implosion of Iraqi society. Look at this nonsense:
There are claims that the Bush administration is seeking to establish scores of permanent U.S. bases. In fact, Iraq has merely asked that the agreement list the bases from which American forces would be permitted to operate. It is claimed that the deals would perpetuate the U.S. “occupation.” In fact, they would be a major step in the opposite direction, by placing American troops under the sovereignty of the Iraqi government rather than the United Nations.
Even if we take Hiatt seriously here, what possible difference is there between establishing 58 permanent military bases in Iraq and listing the 58 permanent military bases in Iraq from which we will be permitted to operate? How is formalizing 58 permanent military bases in Iraq in any way not a move to perpetuate the U.S. occupation?
If the United States were to make a formal commitment to defend Iraq from external aggression, congressional consideration and approval of the pact would be appropriate. For now, the biggest risk is that Tehran and its allies will pressure Mr. Maliki into backing away from a partnership with Washington. In that case, Iran would hasten to substitute itself as Iraq’s defender and strategic ally, with momentous implications for the rest of the Middle East. Surely this is not what the Democrats want.
First of all, Congress is not being consulted at all in this process. Secondly, creating 58 permanent military bases in Iraq is not a necessary ingredient in any commitment to protect Iraq from foreign aggression. The only country currently invading Iraqi sovereignty is Turkey, which bombs Kurdistan on a semi-regular basis. I have long said that it might be advisable to keep a military presence in Kurdistan to protect Iraq from Turkey and to protect Turkey from Kurdish nationalists. But I see no reason that we need 58 permanent military bases in Iraq to prevent Iraq from looking to Iran to protect their security from Turkish invasion. Moreover, isn’t it a little absurd to think that Iraq would look to Iran to protect them from invasion if Iran is the country most likely to invade them?
This isn’t a situation like Poland faced with Germany, where one country will consider vassalage preferable to outright invasion. Iraq is weak internally but, other than Kurdish-Turkish relations, they do not face the threat of invasion. We can make it quite clear to Iran that we will destroy any heavy military equipment they move across the border into Iraq. We can do that from bases in Kuwait and Qatar.
It’s quite illuminating to see just how imperialistic the Washington Post editorial page is. They’ve supported this neo-con fantasy all the way down to the point of defending Scooter Libby’s perjury and obstruction of justice. It’s a disgrace that they so willingly spread misinformation and pimp false dichotomies. We need to get out of Iraq, not engage in fantasies about how nice it would be to occupy the country if only they would act like good Koreans. Jesus.
i cannot even see the legitimacy of this consideration, as long as we refuse to place the consideration of whether the majority of iraqis want our troops to remain first above all other considerations. as long as iraqis consider americans legitimate targets of their grievance, occupation for any reason remains untenable.
even now al sadr — directing from behind the borders of iran — is gearing up for more systematic armed assaults against us.
hiatt, of course, cares nothing for any of this.
wanker.
A life time of failing upward.
Robert Woodward, working in the Pentagon with top-secret clearance in the Office of Naval Intelligence before he got that job as a reporter at WaPo.
When the rest of the world was asking who “Deep Throat” was, how come his Editor, Ben Bradlee, didn’t look at Woodward’s employment application for a clue? Maybe because Bradlee himself, when he worked for Radio Free Europe (or one of the other post-war U.S. propaganda units) worked out of the CIA’s Paris office while spreading anti-Rosenberg propaganda.
Hell, look at Katharine Graham and her family connections to the military-industrial industry, propaganda division.
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Seoul agreed in April to allow imports of U.S. beef from all ages of cattle, banning only specified risk materials — such as tongues, brains, part of the intestines and vertebrae marrow that are known to have the greatest risk of transmitting mad cow disease to humans — from cattle older than 30 months.
President Lee has repeatedly stated that South Korea will only import U.S. beef from cattle younger than 30 months old. He asked for Washington’s cooperation in his first-ever telephone talk with U.S. President George W. Bush over the weekend.
Critics say the beef pact cannot protect South Koreans from the disease. Civic groups have suggested that Seoul impose stricter guidelines to ban meat from cattle older than 20 months, as Japan does. Younger cattle are generally less prone to contracting the brain-wasting illness.
U.S. legislators have warned they will not ratify the free trade agreement unless Seoul first opens its beef market.
Dutch Agriculture Ministry Wants to Ease Tough Preventive Measures for BSE
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
I am watching Fareed Zakaria’s CNN show right now and it is making me ill. Michael O’Hanlon, Ken Pollock, NyTimes Dexter Phillkins and CNN man in Iraq Michael Ware.
Ware is the only one speaking in reality of what is going in the ground and he is currently in Iraq. O’Hanlon, Pollock like Hiatt want to stay in Iraq forever until they can say it was a success to save their personal credibility/egos.
Yeah, I saw this one earlier today, and managed to get through the first couple of paragraphs before the nausea got too unbearable to read on.
Interestingly, this one was positioned in the newsfeed I get right along with two editorials, one in the Boston Globe, calling the misnamed SOFA (if that is a SOFA then shock and awe is strokes and caresses) for what it is – colonialism.
“good koreans” eh…guess he forgot about the pesky northern variety. another pending dismal failure for the the neoCON, pnac-ites as they watch their dreams of ME hegemony slowly evaporate before their eyes, and they’re reputations right along with it.
an interesting piece by gareth porter…who’s been doing outstanding work bringing reality back into the fold…at the asia times about SOFA:
read the whole thing, recommended.
walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…and a lame one at that.
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He would have listened to his General and nuked
IranChina …In April 1951, MacArthur’s habitual disregard of his superiors led to a crisis. He sent a letter to Massachusetts Representative Joe Martin, the House Minority Leader, disagreeing with President Truman’s policy of limiting the Korean war to avoid a larger war with China. He also sent an ultimatum to the Chinese Army which destroyed President Truman’s cease-fire efforts. Truman saw these moves as violations of the American constitutional principle that military commanders are subordinate to civilian leadership, and as usurping the President’s authority to make foreign policy. MacArthur had ignored this principle when he was serving as the American proconsul in Tokyo after the war; the habit had apparently become ingrained.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
that’s why fallon’s gone, and petreaus is going to be in charge oui.
gotta line those ducks up, eh.
so, since pastordan is a little busy on most Sundays, will you be taking over the “Wanker of the Day” column on weekends?
58 bases =
The U.S. wants 58 bases in Iraq. Fred Hiatt likes that.
BY AREA:
Iraq’s land area is 167,372 sq mi. Divide that by 58 and you get one base for every 2885 sq mi (a square 54 miles on a side), which is the size of 1½ Delawares.
The contiguous 48 United States land area is 2,959,213 sq mi. If the United States had one base for every 2885 sq mi, it would have 1,025 bases.
BY POPULATION:
Iraq’s population is 29,267,000. Divide that by 58 and you get one base for every 504,603 people, or one base for every Albuquerque-sized city.
The United States population is 304,350,000. If the United States had one base for every 504,603 people, it would have 603 bases.
Tha high basing density appears to be designed for occupation more than strategic defense.
Interesting.
By the way, I’m not sure where you got your population figures, but by now Iraq’s population is closer to 22 million than it is to 29 million. It was around 25 million in 2003, and has decreased by at least three million since then due to mortality and out migration. No one knows for sure, of course, how many Iraqis have died as a result of the invasion and occupation, and the rate of out migration is also not really known, but there are about 2 million known refugees who have fled the country, and many more who fled the country but have not registered as refugees.
“The only country currently invading Iraqi sovereignty is Turkey…“
I guess you mean the only country other than the United States. :o}
By the way, I wish I had the time to take Hiatt on point by point. It would be fun, but I have other, more pressing things to do with my time. Maybe if I have time tomorrow I can take on at least some of his more wankerish stuff.
Well…America is officially operating in Iraq with the permission of the elected government there. I know, I know, I know…but my sentence was technically correct.
Yeah, I knew what you meant, but it’s important to remind people that the United States’ presence there is the result of an act of unprovoked aggression and an occupation that persists against the will of the overwhelming majority of Iraqis with the approval of a make-believe Iraqi government that is kept in place only because it serves the purpose of the occupier.