An Israeli Defense Minister and former Israeli Mossad agent who is now a “security consultant” were both in the news today, and both continue Israel’s under the radar war drum beating campaign in the international media. First up Erud Barak:
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak says Israel is determined to use ‘any option’ to stop Iran’s nuclear program should sanctions fail.
In a Wednesday interview with Al Jazeera television, Barak said while there is still time for diplomatic measures against Iran’s nuclear program, other countries should not remove ‘any option’ from the table, an allusion to the military option. […]
“The time is still for diplomacy and sanctions, but much more effective sanctions. We keep saying that we do not remove any option from the table. I propose to others not to remove any option from the table as well. But when we say it, we mean it,” Barak said.
According to Pentagon officials, Israel conducted a military maneuver over the eastern Mediterranean and Greece in early June in preparation for a war on Iran.
Far more specific was Juval Aviv a former Mossad agent whose claim that he led a team to track down and assassinate the Palestinian terrorists responsible for the slaughter of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich was made into a Steven Spielberg movie. Now the head of an independent security firm based in New York, he was presented to various groups of Australian officials by independent Jewish organizations this week to publicly claim that Israel is already set on launching attacks against 3 out of 12 possible nuclear sites in Iran before Bush leaves office:
Among many bald statements, one stuck out: Israel is now ready to destroy three or four nuclear sites out of 12 in Iran.
“I believe that Israel is planning to act on these reactors before Bush leaves the White House,” Mr Aviv said. “We’ve got to take a chance … the next president of America may not allow it.” […]
He may or may not be speaking for anyone but himself, but his sponsorship suggests Australian opinion-makers were being warmed up for an Iran strike. If so, it’s an unsatisfactory level of discussion, and surely cannot reflect policy debate in a nation as sophisticated as Israel.
Bluster? Cheap talk? I don’t know. But frightening all the same. And the current French President, Nicolas Sarkozy is doing his best to ramp up the warmongering talk, as well.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned Iran yesterday it was taking a dangerous gamble in seeking to develop nuclear weapons because one day its archfoe Israel could strike. […]
“Iran is taking a major risk in continuing the process to obtain a military nuclear capacity,” Sarkozy said at a meeting in Damascus with the leaders of Syria, Turkey and Qatar.
“One day, whatever the Israeli government, we could find one morning that Israel has struck,” Sarkozy added.
“The question is not whether it would be legitimate, whether it would be intelligent. What will we do at that moment? It would be a catastrophe. We must avoid that catastrophe,” Sarkozy said in comments broadcast on television.
Dangerous words to be bantering about for public discusssion. And frankly I don’t see Iran’s leaders backing down. Such talk only enhances their domestic political situation, since it deflects discussion of their poor economic performance with the threat of war and the generation of patriotic feelings among the Iranian populace, feelings which always seem to benefit the government in power. The longer these threats and counter-threats continue, the more likely, it seems to me, that Israel and the Bush administration will feel compelled to act, especially if Obama maintains a lead in the polls.
Chance of any media in the United States actually reporting these allegations to the American public during an election campaign. Virtually nil. But it should be a topic on the front burner. At the very least, any Israeli strike on Iran will send oil prices into the stratosphere, likely triggering a global economic meltdown. Before we reach that point, I’d like to think that cooler heads will prevail. But this is the Bush administration we are talking about.
It’s time for prominent Democrats to speak up against any attack on Iran. Which means Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid (and maybe both Clintons, as well). Past time actually. Unfortunately, Obama’s performance in his interview with O’Reilly doesn’t give me a lot of comfort.
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O’REILLY: But I still don’t understand — and I’m asking this as an American as well as a journalist — how threatening you feel Iran is? Look, if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, OK, to me, they’re going to give it to Hezbollah if they can develop the technology. Why not? And they’ll say, “Well, we didn’t have anything to do with it.”
So therefore, the next president of the United States is going to have to make a decision about Iran, whether to stop them militarily, because I don’t believe — if diplomacy works, fine, but you’ve got to have a Plan B, and a lot of people say, “Look, Barack Obama is not going to attack Iran.”
OBAMA: Here’s where you and I agree. It is unacceptable for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon. It would be a game changer, and I’ve said that repeatedly. I’ve also said I would never take a military option off the table.
O’REILLY: But would you prepare for one?
OBAMA: Well, listen…
O’REILLY: That’s the question though, senator. Anybody can say option. Would you prepare for it?
OBAMA: Look, it is not appropriate for somebody who is one of two people who can be the president of the United States to start tipping their hand in terms of what their plans might be with respect to Iran. It’s sufficient to say I would not take the military option off the table and that I will never hesitate to use our military force in order to protect the homeland and United States’ interests.
But where I disagree with you is the notion that we’ve exhausted every other resource, because the fact of the matter is that, for six, seven years, during this administration, we weren’t working as closely as we needed to do with the Europeans to create…
O’REILLY: Diplomacy might work. You might be able to sanction economically.
OBAMA: …sanctions.
O’REILLY: Maybe.
OBAMA: Maybe.
O’REILLY: But that’s all hypothetical.
OBAMA: Everything is hypothetical, but the question is, are we trying to do what we need to do to ratchet up the pressure on them, to change their…
O’REILLY: OK. We’ll assume you’re going to ratchet everything you can ratchet. But I’m going to assume that Iran is going to say, “Blank you. We’re going to do what we want.” And I want a president, whether it’s you or McCain, who says, “You ain’t doing that.”
That strikes me as a very weak response. He can, and should have done better. Because if he doesn’t he may come into office with another war to contend with, and an economic crisis that will make us nostalgic for our current situation.
Surge my ass. If it had not been for the left’s political pressure here in the U.S. the Maliki-Shia run government would have sat on their hands until this day. They knew they had better get their act together because the empire was taking stock of its priorities and contemplating the cost effectiveness of a 100 year occupation. The 35,000 more troops did not make this a success it was the pressure to step up or battle it out without the puppet master there to back them.
Sorry Steve went a bit off topic after reading the transcript.
Can’t blame you. It was a stupid thing to say. Read Juan Cole today if you want to find out what really lowered the violence — ethnic cleansing of Baghdad, the Sunni Awakening, Sadr’s agreement to call a truce, and 4 million refugees, 2 million of them outside the country.
It is U.S. policy for Iran not to obtain a nuclear weapon capability under its current government. Obama is not going to change that policy. What’s he going to change is the strategy for achieving the policy goal.
Bush’s policy maximizes Iran’s incentive to obtain a nuclear weapon capability. It also improves the approval rating of the otherwise hated Iranian government.
Bush’s policy for Iran is so bad that it is hard to express how many options there are for improving it, short of letting the Mullahs obtain their bomb.
Personally, I think O’Reilly’s idea that the Mullahs would hand over a weapon to Hezbollah is paranoid raving. I’m much more concerned about something like that happening with Pakistan than I am with Iran. Pakistan has a very unstable government and a lot of Sunni warriors that might be inclined to bring on Armageddon.
But, the point is, keeping the nuclear club small is a valid goal and a valid use of American power. I think Sam Nunn has the right ideas on this.
The right ideas won’t do us any good if Bush permits the Israelis to attack Iran.
Sarkozy is right. And my hope is that these little messages are intended as negotiating tools.
The whole thing is so shortsighted. Embitter the population of Iran and have them rally round the mullahs. Then the whole of Iran will support making nuclear bombs. Live and die by the sword it will come back to haunt Israel and the U.S. by the time the sun rises the day after. Israel must be reigned in no matter what the great Bill O’Bully says.
Maybe Israel should offer to get rid of their weapons to start a peaceful dialogue. Biden needs to do the talking on this because OBama has to kiss AIPAC ass until he gets elected. Its just the way it is here in the states right now.
Preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon capability is not a bad policy objective. (Even better would be to combine that with getting Israel to destroy its nuclear weapons.) But last I heard, Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
U.S. report says Iran halted nuclear weapons program in 2003
Has something changed in that regard? Have I missed something?
If Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program, I don’t see why the West can’t just leave it in peace.
An excellent point Iran has no nuclear weapons. Its estimated Israel has dozens and we have god only knows how many. Why are we so scared? Just maybe we are being manipulated? Always an enemy to fear its beyond ridiculous. Guess what I’m not scared.
Dozens? Estimates from 1980 had Israel packing 100-200 nukes. Estimates today go up to 400 nukes. But really, after the first couple fifty or so, who’s counting?
I agree with this absolutely.
One of the reasons I suggest we take Obama’s responses to O’Reilly’s questions with a grain of salt has nothing to do with Obama’s veracity or fitness to be President or intelligence, etc., but rather with the fact that O’Reilly is, as BooMan pointed out, paranoid. In agreeing to the O’Reilly interview, Obama didn’t step into the lion’s den, which is, I’m sure, the way O’Reilly wants to spin it. It is more akin to a kind, patient, and wise psychotherapist being grilled by a paranoid schizophrenic off his meds.
And I share the concerns about Pakistan. Not only do they have an unstable government and a disaffected population, they have a history (remember A. Q. Khan?!?) of promoting nuclear armament among some very unsavory governments. I would like to see the world get back on track (if we can even find it) toward nuclear disarmament, and that would mean not only preventing new members from joining the club, but drawing up some new by-laws for the old members.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/97278/dutch_intelligence%3A_u.s._strike_on_iran_likely_%27wi
thin_weeks%27/
Source is the Jerusalem Post: neo-con bluster? action underway?
The right-wing Jerusalem Post is not the most reliable source. Some of its articles look like reworked press releases from Israel’s Foreign Ministry. It’s usually good to get corroboration from a legitimate source.
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As I recently posted …
The Dutch intelligence service, the AIVD, has called off an operation aimed at infiltrating and sabotaging Iran’s weapons industry due to an assessment that a US attack on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program is imminent, according to a report in the country’s De Telegraaf newspaper.
The impending air-strike on Iran was to be carried out by unmanned aircraft “within weeks,” the report claimed, quoting “well placed” sources.
According to the report, information gleaned from the AIVD’s operation in Iran has provided several of the targets that are to be attacked in the strike, including “parts for missiles and launching equipment.”
Israel began selling arms to Georgia seven years ago. U.S. grants facilitated these purchases. From Israel came former minister and former Tel Aviv Mayor Roni Milo, representing Elbit Systems, and his brother Shlomo, former director general of Military Industries. Israeli UAV spy drones, made by Elbit Maarahot Systems, conducted recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran.
UAV Eitan, also known as Heron TP
In a secret agreement between Israel and Georgia, two military airfields in southern Georgia had been earmarked for the use of Israeli fighter-bombers in the event of pre-emptive attacks against Iranian nuclear installations. This would sharply reduce the distance Israeli fighter-bombers would have to fly to hit targets in Iran. And to reach Georgian airstrips, the Israeli air force would fly over Turkey.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
I guess those airfields are out now.
Do you think he’ll even get INTO the office if they start bombing Iran?
I’ve actually thought about this possibility, as grim and horrifying as it is.
My first hope, of course, is that it doesn’t come to pass, that diplomatic means will bring all this talk of war to an end. Of course, I am a realist, and believe in the insanity of both the Bush administration and the Israeli government. That being said, I would hope (my second hope) that, if such an attack occurred before November 4, that the American people would see it for the politically manipulative act (to say nothing of the horrifying act of war) that it would be.
The loss-leader in Georgia was done in large part to set the agenda for the next four years no matter who was elected. The more things are stirred up before November the less room Obama has to operate in. Another war would keep things percolating for years.
The BBC and Israeli Propaganda
Sat Nov 11, 2006
The BBC and Israeli Propaganda is the subtitle of an article, Israel’s Plan for a Military Strike on Iran, by JONATHAN COOK, a British journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. It was published in CounterPunch on October 12, 2006, but its obvious relevancy today for American foreign policy because it provides a look at how Israeli politicians of all persuasions are viewing Iran.
http://www.jkcook.net/...
I’ve never forgotten the words of the Iranian ambassadoe a few years ago on the Charlie Rose Show. If attack, we will defend ourselves. And I have no doubts that they would. I can’t imagine what Israel or the US is thinking about. Iran has missiles capable of reaching all of Israel, and they will undoubtedly jam the Straights of Hormuz, possibly preventing large amounts of oil reaching the markets. The world economic consequences could be devastating.
I don’t know about Iranian missiles reaching Israel, not accurately. There’s a lot of bluster in that department.
But Iran could shut down most of the oil in that area.
Let me say that I don’t think that we can predict what Obama will do as President and Commander-in-Chief based on a interview with O’Reilly. I didn’t watch the interview because O’Reilly has the same effect on me as Hannity and Bush and Rove et al. I don’t think there is anything that Obama could have said that would have endeared him to either the extreme right or the extreme left. And the rest will take the entire interview with O’Reilly with a huge grain of salt. O’Reilly is not Bill Moyers. He isn’t even Jay Leno. When I read “I’m asking this as an American as well as a journalist” I nearly gagged.
I’m not really sure what you mean when you say: “He can, and should have done better. Because if he doesn’t he may come into office with another war to contend with, and an economic crisis that will make us nostalgic for our current situation.” Are you suggesting that anything Obama would say now or anytime before January 20, 2009, either in an interview with O’Reilly or elsewhere, would or could avert a war with Iran (and the subsequent economic disaster) if either Israel and/or the Bush administration wanted to go ahead with one? If such a war were to break out, would we blame Obama because of his answers to Bill O’Reilly?
He should have said war is a last resort, not the first and only thought.
He should have also pointed out the devastating consequences for our economy and the world’s economy of any war now when Iran has no nukes and is no imminent threat.
There is no evidence that they are developing nuclear weapsons. The national intelligence estimate, needs to find another retiree and put out yet another press release on this matter. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu._GosJIfVMA8xJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBzajF2YWN1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTcEY29sbwNh
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