It isn’t the amount of money to be spent. While $700 Billion Dollars is not chump change, re-capitalization of the banks and other financial firms holding these assets is a real necessity of we are to avoid more bank failures.
No, the primary issue is whether that bailout money will be spent in ways which overvalue the price of the mortgage backed securities and other derivatives purchased (i.e., the buy high strategy) or whether it will be employed to purchase these securities at a price that more accurately assesses the risk to the seller who takes ownership of these debt instruments (the buy low strategy). Unfortunately, the fear is that any purchases by the current administration’s financial team (Treasury Secretary Paulson and Federal reserve Chief Bernanke) will incorporate the former approach as opposed to the latter.
If the question is whether or not to buy something, like the $700 billion in mortgage securities to be bought in the plan, shouldn’t the question of how much you’re going to pay for it be a major consideration? […]
It’s the same thing with mortgage-backed securities. The $700 billion can be spent to buy lots and lots of them very cheaply, or much fewer of them priced higher. Whichever option is chosen will critically determine whether we’ll soon be able to see the breaking of the dawn out of the current darkness.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke have been playing this issue pretty close to the vest, but through leaks and the likes it looks like they’re going to be buying high, paying as close to par value* on the securities as feasible.* […]
What’s the current problem with the world financial system? … [T]he banks and other financial institutions … need to be “recapitalized”; they need to get back what the deleveraging beast is currently destroying.
Will paying higher prices for MBS accomplish that? It will, at least temporarily for whoever is lucky enough to get a piece of the government action. But for the system as a whole, the benefits are a lot more questionable.
It is estimated that there are about $5 trillion of original securities created out of US mortgages – $700 billion gets you 14% of those, about what is to be expected to be the high-water mark for US homeowners defaulting and being foreclosed in the near future. […]
Essentially ignored in all this is the probable trillions upon trillions of leveraged structured finance derivative securities whose value depends on the original securities. Nobody really knows how much of these there are; one estimate put the number at around $25 trillion. You can’t solve a $25 trillion problem with $700 billion. It’s no wonder that Warren Buffet once called derivatives “financial weapons of mass destruction”.
The bailout plan will essentially ignore the derivative securities, thinking that buying up the original securities solves the problem with the derivatives. It doesn’t. Even if Paulson way overpays on his purchases, say, paying 80 cents on the dollar for securities going in the private market for less than 30 cents, many of the derivative securities were always priced for full payback, so a big problem still remains in a very big market. […]
There are two separate dragons breathing down fire on the world financial system. One is de-capitalization, the fact that loan losses are driving down banks’ capital bases and then their ability to lend. The other is deleveraging, the vicious circular process whereby losses on old loans restrict the system’s ability to make new loans, which drains the system of new capital, setting up yet another round down.
These phenomena may seem similar or identical, but they’re not. Paying up for MBS may seem to recapitalize the banks, but without slaying the deleveraging monster the new capital will surely be sucked away and lost, as has happened to the numerous failed attempts by sovereign wealth funds and private equity to invest in the financial system over the past year.
What we really need is a radical solution. Complete or partial nationalization of our banking system. Yes, that would wipe out much of the equity of all those firms’ shareholders, but it would restore the ability of the system to finance our economy. This was the strategy employed by a conservative Swedish government when its financial system was in crisis in 1992, and it worked:
A banking system in crisis after the collapse of a housing bubble. An economy hemorrhaging jobs. A market-oriented government struggling to stem the panic. Sound familiar?
It does to Sweden. The country was so far in the hole in 1992 — after years of imprudent regulation, short-sighted economic policy and the end of its property boom — that its banking system was, for all practical purposes, insolvent.
But Sweden took a different course than the one now being proposed by the United States Treasury. And Swedish officials say there are lessons from their own nightmare that Washington may be missing.
Sweden did not just bail out its financial institutions by having the government take over the bad debts. It extracted pounds of flesh from bank shareholders before writing checks. Banks had to write down losses and issue warrants to the government.
That strategy held banks responsible and turned the government into an owner. When distressed assets were sold, the profits flowed to taxpayers, and the government was able to recoup more money later by selling its shares in the companies as well.
As the author of the Asia Times article first cited above, Julian Delasantellis, points out, such a radical but essentially practical, approach to our woes cannot and will not happen until a new administration and a new Congress takes office next year. The current Congress is too divided on both partisan and ideological grounds to accept the “Swedish solution” as a paradigm for resolving our own crisis. Until then, the bailout/rescue plan before Congress is just a stop gap measure at best, a bandaid if you will to halt some of the bleeding until people not addicted to Reaganomics and the Cult of Milton Friedman can assess the situation and choose a solution that isn’t ideologically driven, but based on a pragmatic response to the cold hard facts. Will it buy us enough time until Bush leaves office? Will we elect enough responsible people in Congress who will see that we have to take the hard steps necessary to resolve this crisis, before our economy utterly collapses under the burdens imposed upon it by 30 years of Republican style economics? Will solutions with a real chance of succeeding be chosen over those that merely pile more lipstick on the Wall Street pigs?
All we can do is hope that the answers to all those questions are a resounding “yes.”
* [Editor’s note, by Steven D] “Par Value” represents the original price paid for the security, and doesn’t necessarily reflect the current market value of the asset in question. In the case of mortgage backed securities, no one believes that their par value represents anything close to what they are actually worth.
At this link is a very good outline of the scenario of what will happen next……read and weep
Bailout a Done Deal, So What Happens Now?
http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/10/bailout-a-done-deal-so-what-happens-now-
Who would have thought that a capitalist country could be forced into a revolt, the first of its kind, but a historical revolt none the less. The promise of money has salved our wounds in this country but with that promise extinct, now who will we be?
The Swedish Solution there needs to be coupled with an agency to buy up mortgages in an effort to raise housing prices.
Until housing prices stabilize (and they are dropping at the fastest rate so far this month) nothing we do is going to help. It’s just throwing good money (and it’s not even our good money, we borrowed it) after bad.
You simply cannot raise or even stabilize at present levels, housing prices that are beyond the ability of the median income to pay for those houses. If you heat up the housing market with cheap, no-downpayment mortgages you’ll just be back on the highway to hell.
you can’t artificially prop-up housing prices (that was the cause of this problem) but you can wipe the slate clean on mortgage arrangements and start-over. However, think about it, this is a very expensive way to go. The government cannot assume all the losses in property value (or losses from defaulted mortgages). The government must have an asset in exchange for assuming debt obligations. Does the government want to take over the real estate market? What they would rather do is take a stake in the companies, put them on the right-footing, and then sell everything off.
Put another way, the government can do direct loan forgiveness, but not without becoming the true owner of the property. This is already happening with Fannie and Freddie, and we’ll have to set up a program within that framework. But the government doesn’t want to become the sole lender in this country.
One thing that concerns me is that were down to basically three main banks in this country. After we’re done letting all these banks fail, we need to figure out a way to go back and deconsolidate the banking industry somehow.
Hey, Booman. Wipe my mortgage clean too! Why should I subsidize somebody else who didn’t pay attention to his finances. I’m all in favor of workouts and even cram downs for people who had a major disaster such as job loss or hospital bills. But forget the guy who got a no docs 3% ARM so he could make a fortune flipping the house.
You might as well bail out my IRA, which is down 40%. But I’m not crying that it’s unfair. I’m an adult. I placed bets and lost. That’s business.
that’s part of the problem with these proposals to tackle the problem on the mortgage-holder end.
Issues of basic fairness become exceedingly complicated to implement. And there is the cost and the, frankly, socialism. Casual proposals to convert our system into a socialist system (meaning, non-temporary measures) strike me as unrealistic. On the other hand, I do anticipate that this crisis will lead to legislation that would have been considered radically-leftist at any time since the 1940’s. The whole framework and assumptions we’ve been working with will be reassessed in light of this EPIC FAIL.
It might not be the Great Depression, but the political shift and economic downturn and shift in global power are strong enough to cause radical change.
Perhaps the best way is to let the banks fail and bail out the depositors with FDIC. Isn’t that what the Resolution Trust Corp did in the S&L melt-down? Do we have enough money? Why doesn’t anyone know? Can’t the fed just Xerox a letter to each bank president asking them how much of their assets is in CDO’s & CMO’s? And give them a one week deadline. If they can’t do that they should fire their CFO.
I’m reading a book that might explain what happened then and now. Just finished the first chapter and it seems pretty good.
Banks are failing. So far, they’ve failed without the need for the FDIC to insure depositors, and we should be grateful for that.
WaMu shareholders were wiped out, and that’s painful. Some people act like the only shareholders in this country are greedheads that deserve their comeuppance. We don’t want to see people losing their net wealth and retirement, but some degree of collapse in unavoidable and, ultimately, healthy. Yet, managing the collapse is a better idea than just sitting idly by and letting the chips fall where they may.
I agree about managing the collapse. I don’t think giving Paulson a blank check is the way to do it. I expect that he will buy bonds from Goldman at face value and do the same for other politically connected banks. The whole history of the Bush administration leads me to believe this.
BTW, people at work, good union members, are seething about the bailout. Expect a reaction at the polls. Mellisa Bean (IL-8 IIRC) was not popular anyway. This may push her over the edge. I would not be surprised to find Republicans in charge of the House in January. People are REALLY mad.
I’m not sure how you go about “deconsolidating the banking industry” in a global financial environment. That’s not to say that it can’t be done, but it will require an awful lot of international cooperation and the likelihood of some kind of an international regulatory body with teeth. That’s going to be a hard sell.
well, that’s above my paygrade, but I’d imagine it would involve forcing large institutions to break up into their component parts: banking, financial services, etc. The goal is to eliminate these ‘too-big-to-fail’ institutions.
No doubt. My question, however, is how a financial institution that isn’t “too big to fail” competes in a global economy?
…and not just global economy, but a global economy where sovreign wealth funds and state controlled banks and mysterious, opaque hedge funds control trillions of dollars in wealth (at least virtual wealth).
they competed before. I don’t see why they cannot compete again.
I don’t even know what that means. “Before?” Before what? Before the US was no longer 50% of the world economy? Before it became the largest debtor nation in the world? Before BRIC? Before Iraq? Before NAFTA? Before what?
I don’t think it is necessary to be as large as Citigroup or now Goldman-Sachs to be able to be a successful business. I think what you’re suggesting is that undoing Phil Gramm’s deregulation would render American firms uncompetitive with foreign firms not subject to the same restrictions. It’s something to look into, but I don’t think we’re in that situation.
Booman, I don’t know what I think about this anymore with a couple of exceptions: First, I don’t think anyone knows how deep or how far these problems go and no one, from CEOs to Senators to SecTreas to academics really knows what to do about it. Second, the only way to begin cleaning this mess up is some exploratory surgery. Open the patient and see what you can see. Without real disclosures and reporting requirements we’ll never get stabilized.
I don’t believe this bailout will work because it doesn’t address the real issue–which is that the financial sector is largely insolvent. Of course that’s just the issue with the financial sector. In the broader economy the issue is too much debt. Too little production of anything of value. In the government sector? Too much debt. While the bailout is being sold as a help to Main Street, it’s based on some wishful thinking that it will “trickle down” in the form of …more credit (debt). Keep the wheels turning for a month or two.
I know that this is the only bill available to vote on. What I don’t know is if it will do more harm than good. I can see that a credit “freeze” is a disaster. I don’t see that this bill will prevent it and we will just end up with another Trillion dollar noose around our necks. We’re blindfolded in a minefield.
The problem remains that the core issue is the housing market. Any plan that fails to address plummeting real estate values will have us revisiting this issue down the road, with more banks on the edge, more consumers drowning in debt, less credit to grease the wheels and a bigger crisis to deal with.
When the next batch of banks pop and we’re back here having this same damn argument a couple months out, remember that.
That’s the problem. Real Estate values have to fall to sustainable levels. This “bailout” won’t prevent that. I see unemployment claims jumped again last week. More pressure on housing values. Likely to be more foreclosures. I’m betting that the median family “real” income is dropping like a rock. Who the heck is going to buy these homes? When you get a real market that isn’t inflated by absurd mortgage underwriting and cheap credit, you’ll stabilize the market.
Oh yeah…and the Alt-A and Option/Arms haven’t even begun to reset yet. There’s a world of hurt comin’ at us and 700B isn’t going to make much of a dent in it.
that’s correct. A lot of these homes are going to be carved up and turned into rentals. McMansion rentals, occupied by immigrants in formerly lily-white suburban utopias. The browning of exurbia. It’s going to rock this country to the core.
But we need to make use of this unaffordable real estate, and no one can afford it. Even with a low mortgage, who could heat it?
And thus the crux of the problem.
Housing prices fall, and the economy falls with it…and housing demand lowers even more, driving down prices further, taking trillions out of the pockets of homeowners who may have to default, and then add more supply to the homes…driving down prices even more.
It took Japan ten years to recover from this. They had a savings rate. Us?
We’re screwed.
Nice. Glad to see more folks coming around and doing sensible things like looking to historical examples of what works. Unfortunately, by the time of the election, I am sure at least half of the $700B will be spent on crap.
I know it would be a poison pill if expressed publicly, but is there room in this bill to NOT implement it’s provisions if, post-passage, it is determined that they are onerous or unnecessary?
Since Sweden’s political system is a totemic bogeyman of the American right, I can’t see how they could bring themselves to embrace the policies of even the right-wing of Sweden.
One lesson from Hoover and Reagan/Bush is that the right is incapable of solving the mess they create. Our goal here was to calm the markets and open up some credit, so we don’t take power with full blown disaster on our hands.
Provided that Obama wins, he will appoint his own Treasury Secretary, and he will certainly take a fresh approach to the problem. I don’t know if he will nationalize banks or not. He won’t be campaigning on that.
I’d like to solicit opinions on Gov’t participation in the Commercial Paper Market. Seems like the direct approach is best, no?
on the surface, that doesn’t make any sense to me. You’ll have to explain what you mean? What would be the mechanism, the Fed? Some National Bank?
I suppose the administrating body isn’t important.
I am sure you know that the paper market is very short term loans that . It has seized up and is what is the direct threat to all our jobs right now, today.
There is no one willing to take the risk right now.
If the gov’t starts loaning through this mechanism directly, and isn’t totally burned or is persistent enough, others will see that it’s ok to lend there again and we get to keep out jobs as liquidity returns to this market..
While it’s been frozen businesses, have been forced to take out other forms of loans which are much more costly and less available. And they are running out of credit lines. That keeps up for another couple days, we all get fired as those other forms of credit dry up.
By attracting lenders back to this market, banks will be free to lend their smaller pools of cash for other purposes, which will release other markets…
You feel me?
Sry, touchpad error:
‘I am sure you know that the paper market is very short term loans that’ ..
should finish with ‘allow businesses to pay their bills before their receivables are actually deposited.’
point is, there would be actual risk, but you’d know within a day or two if it was a bust or becoming successful and could then pull the plug. No trillions, high profit potential a real grease on the wheels…
I don’t think it would bust at all.
It’s not just the policy of Sweden. It’s also the policy of Hoover and FDR. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation followed the same approach as Sweden. It was chartered by Herbert Hoover’s administration in 1932, and FDR, who became president in 1933, made it effective.
You will not even attempt to stand up for a plan that has worked before, the Swedish plan, because Republicans will act like complete idiots and hurl childish insults at the plan.
Yet you will sign on to a plan designed by and implemented by these same retards because it’s the best we can hope for.
This is a perfect example of why this country is screwed.
And you say we should just stand silent and worry about the details later because Obama might come in and actually propose something useful. Maybe. And you throw a bone to your more liberal readers by winking to them that he “might”, maybe if we behave and help him get elected, “nationalize” the banks but he’ll be hush hush about it because he doesn’t want to be associated with liberals. The fact of the matter is that Obama is more solicitous of right-wing crazies than he is of solid liberals. So don’t wink at me and pretend Obama is on my side.
Do you know how bad, dishonest, and absolutely irresponsible this course of action sounds?
You’ve bet the farm on Obama and don’t even have any plan for doing the right thing once you “win”. You just admitted you would let the irresponsible wingnut freaks lead you around by the nose on this issue–just as they have just done to you these last couple of weeks (God, it seem like an eternity).
You guys are always capitulating. You gave the country away so there’s no value in “winning” anymore.
this is tiresome tripe.
Why would I advocate for anything to happen this week that has zero connection to reality?
It’s either pass this, or don’t pass this. It is not, we should pass some something else. It isn’t an option right now.
And the same goes for Obama. He had a decision to make about both what is best for the country and what is best for him politically. He made that choice decisively, unlike McCain. I also agree with Obama’s decision, as I came to the same conclusions.
And, lastly, if you think I go about politics the same old way that Democrats have been doing, you’re either being dishonest, or you’re high.
I’d argue forcefully that Obama has completely transcended traditional Democratic politics and strategy by specifically not listening to a damn thing that liberals suggest or in overtly pandering to them. It drives liberals insane (see OpenLeft), but it keeps working beyond their wildest imaginations. The only other person that I’ve seen consistently make the same political judgments as me on this is Al Giordano, and I’ll gladly keep that company. We’re in this to win it, not score points or debates.
Well, it’s not tripe to me. I guess the crux of the matter is we have different definitions of winning. You are very good at the politics Booman, that’s why I was initially attracted to your site. You are a very astute political analyst–especially in the short-term. We see eye to eye on many of the purely political issues.
But we don’t share the same policy goals and for me “winning” is achieving my policy goals over the long-term and not simply having the team I back “win” certain electoral contests.
I think the difference between us is that I use different analytical frames.
I see the road to progressive change coming not through making the ask, but through winning the power. That’s definitely something that the Bushies drilled home into my brain. But the Bushies’ example is imperfect. Both Bush and Clinton tried to hard to win too much too early, and wound up shuttling their parties on the shoals. It matters more that Obama win big and get huge majorities than he promise me all kinds of goodies.
Reality determines what is possible, not rhetoric.
I simply do not take campaign rhetoric seriously. If I did, I could have supported Clinton. But I knew what power was backing her. I also know what power is backing Obama, and it is an awesome power that far outstrips the limited, corporate powers of recent Democratic campaigns. And then there are the circumstances we find ourselves in, which demand systemic, progressive change. For me, it’s all coming together just the way I fantasized about in my more soaring moments. But, I’m still nervous because the stakes are so high.
Drop by AG’s diary for my angst
In an interview with Glenn Greenwald, David Cay Johnston says it’s a weird policy..”borrowing more money to pay off badly borrowed money..”
Imho, any plan will need to address the derivatives obstacle…in what Roubini calls the Shadow Banking System
What we have on our plate is a quadrillion of derivatives with no one know who holds what and there’s the leaglese granting special protections under insolvency- bankruptcy laws as the Chicago Fed wrote in 2005: (.PDF) Derivatives and Systemic Risk:
Netting, Collateral, and Closeout
Within this segment, CDS (derivatives) will blow up. That’s $62 trillion last reported at June 2008. (BIS sourced)
Banks will hoard cash. The venerable Goldman Sachs had an exposure to AIG and, had not AIG been nationalized by ex CEO Paulson, Goldman’s faced a 50% wipe out of its equity.
The markets react to the Senate Rescue. Dow down 292 points
Another part of the problem here that seems to me is getting too little attention is that the financial markets that we’re trying to save with this bailout are global. Whatever money the taxpayers shovel into the gaping maw are as likely to go to covering swaps in the international derivative markets as they are to greasing the wheels on main street.
One of the talking points for why the bailout is necessary of both the Republicans and the Democrats is that it will make more working capital available so that “companies will be able to meet their payrolls”. (Obama himself has said that, or at least implied it, in his speech.)
But there is reason to believe the bailout will actually reduce working capital.
Why the Bailout Bill Will Not Help Money Markets, Commercial Lending
Looking at Sweden, or even mentioning this ideal social democracy, should be a lesson for Americans, who began sliding away from liberal-socialism after the Nixon administration.
What I’m asking, isn’t this time for us to consider a federal program to help those working people operating near the bottom of the ladder to become home owners? And I’m not talking about a world of left-over, dilapidated houses, or mobile homes, but reasonably intact houses that the poor could afford with government help.
The alternate strategy to help ordinary people to buy homes is the passage of a living wage bill. If we reduce poverty, we reduce crime, the need for prisons, and all of those other nice aspects of poverty.
If our economic system does not belong to all of us, then just to whom does it belong. Don’t answer. The last person who responded gave the usual trite response: when did a poor person ever offer you a job? That guy’s children, of course, would have been working at age eight had he been living in industrial England in the 19th century. And they would have died before the age of thirty.
And that is the problem in a netshell: we have poor people voting for the wealthy, enough so to keep them controlling our economic system.
The Soviet Union went through decades of stagnation before its rulers realized that the system was unsustainable and started Perestroika.
Comparing Sweden to the Soviet Union is not fair. You’re purposely misrepresenting Shergald’s point to raise the “commie” bogeyman.
Btw, just yesterday I saw a car on the road here in liberal U.S.A. that was all decked out in antiwar bumper stickers, etc., and someone had keyed “commie” in big letters on the back of the car. Jeez.
Not saying your comment and that act of vandalism are related. You are much more intelligent than that. But makes me sad that this is part of our debate.
Sorry I wasn’t clear: I was comparing the US to the Soviet Union. Both have/had unsustainable economic systems. Only something between the two, like what the Swedes have, really works.
I’m surprised that people like that still remember that there used to be things like commies. (Well, there still are in Cuba.) The new bogeyman is Muslim “extremists”.
Ha. Yeah. My bad. Misread you.
As the kids say, I feel ya.
Growing up in the midwest in the 80s I remember “commie” being one of the worst things you could call another kid.
I also remember watching Red Dawn the very first night I ever stayed up all night at a friend’s 10th or 11th birthday party. Man, I thought that movie was cool.
Absolutely true. The last few decades the rich have become insanely richer while Bush and the Democrats gave them tax cuts and deregulated the financial industry. Instead of this wealth “trickling down” to the middle class and the poor–the exact opposite has happened. The poor and middle class have actually done worse and now we are simply adding insult to injury as the losses are now being shoved-off onto the American government’s balance sheet.
There is no economic justice in America. The government and the media is corrupted to the core by criminals and corporate fundamentalists. The citizens are indeed being screwed by the very people it has entrusted to serve them. Instead of paying off Wall Street’s bad debts we should be going after Wall Street’s good assets to compensate their victims and provide reparations to the country as a whole. People should be going to jail. The good assetts should be seized before the criminals further abscond with the little real wealth left. They should be paying the bill for the carnage they created and the wealth they already stole.
If we are going to “fix” the economy or stimulate our economy, I agree with you Shergald. Your suggestions are eminently more reasonable than the establishment Paulson plan. Kudos for you for keeping your eye on the ball, your heart pure, and your head on. Your proposals are much more narrowly tailored to “fixing” the economy than anything coming out of the Bush administration or either major party.
I saw a really bold proposal somewhere else: let’s give every homeless person in America $250,000. This would cost less then Paulson’s bailout and probably do a better job of stimulating the economy.
There certainly is much less moral hazard than Paulson’s plan. After all, the homeless certainly weren’t privatizing the profits during the good times so there is no perverse reward in giving free money to them instead of the Wall Street crooks.
Btw, here is a great post on the subject: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/1/171755/545/358/616963
And another economist agrees with Shergald. The BAILOUT (not the Orewllian title Obama wants to slap on it) primarily helps the Wall St. financiers, and not the real economy: http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/10/rogoff-signific.html