[The following diary, my first, began as a comment to Booman’s Princeton post, where I began with the following lines. The conclusion follows after the jump.]
First I’d like to say that George W. Bush was not a Princeton legacy!!!!! To be sure, Princeton has beyond its unfair share of awful alums — Alito, Frist, Rumsfeld — so we can leave the Bushes to Yale!
I attended Princeton starting in 1990. If I had not been accepted it would not have occurred to me to think that someone else “took my place”!
As it was I benefitted by my father having attended Princeton and by being from Florida. I was aware of these factors — Freshman year we students loved to talk about “the odds” / where we came from / how we were fitting in — but I did not question my being there. There are always some who do: usually those accustomed to being #1 suddenly finding themselves in a sea of “#1’s”!
The legacy issue is worth reconsidering, always. But so are the other factors taken into consideration. (A few years prior to my entry Brooke Shields had attended and much was made over whether she “earned” it.) I am sympathetic to the notion that children of alumni contribute the LEAST to the school’s goals when compared to other factors (racial/ geographical diversity, a student body of many talents). Probably the only valid reason is that it causes alumni to give more money, not a completely unreasonable concern, even if a bit tacky.
I had one friend from Long Island who constantly spoke of how much more qualified he had to be to get in than those from elsewhere, like me. (New York applicants endured the same stiff competition as those from New Jersey.) But that friend was also a jerk. Most students had a philosophical view and felt lucky to be there.
I think that progressives in general have a vastly different view of these types of things than others. As I said, were I to have been rejected it wouldn’t have occurred to me to think of someone else taking my place. Of all the things which occur in our lives, so many are beyond control. We work hard at those things which are in our control. The odds of success, whether applying to Princeton (or Harvard or Berkeley or Georgetown or …) or in life are such a dizzying combination of factors that it’s best not to put all your hopes in one single outcome. And it is best not to blame one person or one reason for not attaining a desired outcome.
Seeing Buchanan railing against all the phantom “more qualified whites” who should have taken Sotomayor’s spot at Princeton, then on the bench, and who should be running all fire departments everywhere, and god-knows-what-else… It’s exhausting! I honestly cannot imagine living that way.
I would say most of my fellow Princeton students looked at our admission as part hard work and part luck. We all knew that some of us had some “wild cards” — but once we were there we viewed one another more or less as equals. We were all students at a great institution. The task then was to make the most of it, to prove ourselves to ourselves and each other and the university as a whole. Sonia Sotomayor certainly did.
As to Buchanan’s comment about all Ivy Leaguers graduating cum laude, that is certainly not true (I can personally testify!). While I was enrolled there were some who felt that there was an unwillingness on the part of professors to hand out truly bad grades, that there was a tendency to stack the grades towards the high side. (My attitude towards this debate was, “Shut up! Shut up! Are you people CRAZY?! Shhhh!”) Knowing the high stakes, high cost of education, and high self-regard of most Princeton students, many professors allegedly placed a floor on grades (except in the most egregious circumstances). But to argue that all students graduate cum laude — much less summa cum laude — is ridiculous!
Finally, I believe that what Buchanan illustrates is the vast difference between the conservative and progressive mind. As he talks he sounds afraid, like all the whites in the world are squirrels hoarding this one nut. And that nut represents whatever it is they cherish control over: the Supreme Court, hiring and firing, college admissions, the whole country. It is a zero sum game. While progressives see so much more nuance, and value in the nuance.
I did not always see things this way. I am a white male who grew up privileged in the “Southern” part of Florida (which is the Northern part). One of the factors in expanding my mind to include diverse viewpoints was attending a university which valued students from every state and as many foreign cultures as possible, almost all of whom contributed greatly and excelled. (It would not surprise me if the most under-performing demographic at Princeton were legacied, wealthy white males — what would they have to prove?)
I close with a quote from Harvard’s current rejection letter: “Past experience suggests that the particular college a student attends is far less important than what the student does to develop his or her strengths and talents over the next four years.”
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Welcome!
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
ditto to that..
Welcome to all the new commers….
Buchanan said one thing I agree with – “She’s never written anything that I’ve read.” I could say the same about him, which puts them in some fine company. After all, what do I read – I’m just a girl and a dropout.
You are so right about the fear – that’s the crux of it all.
Thanks for posting a diary – we need more writers from Princeton, and especially more Floridians.
One of my best friends graduated in 1991. She was from West Palm Beach and got in because she was an excellent swimmer. She is now a successful architect and a credit to a university she always saw as hopelessly snooty.
Thanks to all who read and all who commented. Nice little community you have here π
unless, I just missed it, what is your proffession?
I really enjoyed your diary. You need to write more…
Again welcome aboard…
profession
I just got off duty of about 13 and a half hours…I am very tired…please excuse the spelling…
well… that in itself could be a long story!
I am an occasional writer. So far no money there…
I worked in real estate development until last year, when that sort of fell apart. Lost lotsa money there…
So I’m now emphasizing my real love, art. (Obviously the dough will start rolling in any second! π
Check out my art website: R Middleton abstract oil paintings
When I first heard that Sotomayor had graduated from Princeton, my first thought was “I wonder if she was in my class.” She wasn’t — she entered the year after I did.
I suppose schools like Princeton serve a useful function if they enable people like Sonia Sotomayor to compete for positions of responsibility and influence, and to be able to use her intelligence and talents in a profession whose upper levels would be closed to her had she lacked the Princeton degree.
Still, I feel that Princeton is largely a figment of our collective imagination, and we’d be better off without it. The first day that I arrived on the campus, I was approached by a prominent alumnus, who gave me a little pep talk about the importance of becoming “a Princeton man.” (I don’t know what he told the entering freshwomen, but it was a relatively new situation at the time.) Years later, when I read that he died, I had an image of his body in a jar, pickled in formaldehyde with a sticker on it reading “homo Princetoniensis”.
The myth is that extremely bright students go to superior schools in order to get an education the likes of which they could get nowhere else in the world, and that they go on to do brillint things to keep America great. Kids and their parents distort their whole lives in order that they might be granted the privilege of entering this enchanted kingdom.
But the whole thing is crazy. There’s no difference between the smart kids who get into Princeton and the smart kids who don’t. There’s no difference between Princeton itself, and all the thousands of non-elite universities in the country (or at least there wasn’t when I went there). I took German. My friends at state schools took German. We both had Lohnes and Stroehmann as our text. I took physics. My friends at state schools took physics. We both had Halliday and Resnick. I took economics. My friends at state schools took economics. We both read Samuelson. The undergraduate curriculum is pretty standard, anywhere you go.
I found the main difference between Princeton and a state school to be the atmosphere. And by atmosphere, I mean the arrogance of the institution and many of the people who inhabit it. It was the arrogance that drove me away after three semesters.
There is no question that people who go to elite schools have opportunities that other people lack. People who feel that they were just as smart as the Princeton kids, but didn’t get to go there, think that their opportunities for success were limited by not having gone to a top school. And they resent the people who did, especially the ones who were admitted for reasons of diversity.
But the real problem is that there shouldn’t be elite schools at all. The Emperor has no clothes. Princeton is a myth without substance. Our society would be better off without it. We’d be better off if we threw out the meaningless ranking of our colleges, and if degrees from all schools were considered of equal value.