One of the difficulties with writing about the health care debate in this country is figuring out what scale you want to use to examine it. A lot of people are looking at the art of negotiation. For example, it’s pretty standard to ask for something more than what you are willing to settle for. It’s entirely reasonable to criticize Obama for running on the health care plan he hoped to pass rather than one that was a little more ambitious. Obama’s campaign health care plan was well thought-out and articulated, and it was designed to be realistic. He wasn’t promising anything that was clearly beyond his (or anybody else’s) ability to deliver. But, that might be the heart of the problem here. Obama asked for exactly what he wanted, and no more. Therefore, if he makes a concession here or there, suddenly the whole logic and effectiveness of the plan comes into question. It’s somewhat difficult to be angry with someone for honest campaigning, but the result isn’t anything to praise.
The first hint of a major concession came from Rahm Emanuel floating a trigger mechanism. Essentially, this would have created a public option, but only if certain cost savings were not realized over the first few years of the health care reform. That concession was defeated in the mark-ups of the House and Senate HELP bills, but it was sitting there as a potential concession in passing the Senate Finance Committee’s bill. Here’s how Mark Ambinder describes this:
The White House — and Democrats — messed this up. Maybe it was inevitable. Somehow, and maybe I’ll write this article for a magazine, the idea of the public plan became the sine qua non of meaningful reform for a very vocal portion of the Democratic intellectual elite. House Democrats embraced the idea. If you equate health care reform with a public option, then, well, health care reform is dead to you. There are a lot of angry liberals tonight. They are within their rights to feel aggrieved.
The White House DID play up the potential cost-cutting that a public plan might, sometime down the road, produce. Afterall, given the political environment at the time they first started to argue about health care, they had no choice: the public, Democrats in Congress were mouths-agape about the deficit. In polling and focus groups, cost works well. And the public option — combined with the handy-dandy IMAC price commission proposal — are curve-benders.
Before the health care debate began in earnest, I can tell you that very senior White House officials believed that some form of public plan was absolutely necessary to ensure that the overall bill would be seen as a cost-cutter. That opinion changed roundabout three months ago when it became clear that even a public plan with a trigger mechanism — Rahm Emanuel’s preferred option — just didn’t have the votes.
What happened is that even the concession (a trigger mechanism) became incapable of achieving cloture in the Senate because the Republicans remained united in opposition and there were a few key Democratic defections. Some of the Democrats have been vocal and up front about their desire to protect the profits of the health insurance industry. Their argument (coming from people like Blanche Lincoln, Kent Conrad, Byron Dorgan, and Ben Nelson) has been that people will really like the public option because it will be cheaper, and that will destroy the private market for health insurance. Of course, one of the key things we’re trying to accomplish here is to drive down the cost of insurance. So, it’s odd to complain about a health care reform plan that drives down costs. But these senators are concerned that costs will be driven down so low that there won’t be any profit left available to the insurance industry. Over time, their argument goes, everyone who isn’t already eligible for government-run health care like Medicare or Medicaid or the Veteran’s hospitals, will sign up for the public option. And that will leave giant insurance corporations in places like Nebraska without any customers at all.
Now, you and I don’t give a rat’s ass if that happens. I suspect we would all welcome that outcome. But these corporations carry a lot of water in the small states where they are incorporated. It would be hard to find senators (from either party) representing, for example, Nebraska who would want to see their insurance corporations lose out on a ton of business. The situation reminds me quite a bit of the way the defense industry protects its big contracts by subcontracting out bits and pieces of the work to as many states and congressional districts as possible. Only, in this case, the corporations are taking advantage of the tendency of small states like Delaware and South Dakota to create extremely corporate-friendly laws and regulations as a way of creating jobs for their citizens. Companies tend to incorporate in those states, and then they become the biggest employers and can influence electoral outcomes for a mere pittance of what it would take in big states like New York, Illinois, or California.
The result is that a handful of Democratic senators who collectively represent less people than live in Los Angeles can bring down any effort to create a public option that would eat away at corporate profits.
It’s pretty sick, but it isn’t the fault of any one president or even their strategists that we are facing these obstacles. The way the Constitution grants so much power to small population states in the Senate, combined with savvy strategizing by the insurance corporations, makes it very, very difficult to get 60 votes for health reform regardless of who is in technical control of the Senate. We have similar problems with agricultural and defense-spending policy.
In the meantime, a sincere effort is being made to convince progressives, who mainly come from large states and safe districts, to vote against any health care plan that doesn’t really stick it to the insurance industry. The idea is not to kill health care, but to convince the Obama administration that they have an even bigger problem with progressives than they do with small-state Democratic senators. The potential flaw in this strategy, however, is that it isn’t the Obama administration who needs to be convinced. We still need Lincoln and Nelson and Pryor and Johnson and Dorgan and Baucus and Carper and Conrad to at least vote for cloture. And they aren’t going to do it. Part of the reason they are less likely to fold than the progressives is simple. Their seats are vulnerable and they’re afraid that no bill is safer than a bill that will hurt their biggest employers. The progressives may passionately want health care reform, but they’re not likely to lose their jobs no matter what happens. Given those dynamics, who do you think is going to blink first?
Now, I’ve just been describing in a bit of a simplistic way why we’re having these problems passing health care reform. But a more important question is whether or not we might still succeed even if we don’t get a public option in the bill. In other words, are we better off passing something, however flawed, or in killing health care reform off completely if the bill is inadequate?
Let me just say something here about single-payer health care. As our current situation more than adequately demonstrates, we’re not getting single-payer through Congress any time soon. But we might pass it in Pennsylvania. And that is how Canada wound up with a national single-payer system. One province adopted it, and it worked so well that the logic of a national system became inescapable. Most people who I respect on these issues have moved their single-payer advocacy to the states. And I think that is the correct approach. In the meantime, we want to get as many people covered as possible, especially people who are priced out or who have preexisting conditions. We want to do this for humanitarian reasons, even if there could be potential long-term strategic issues with how it is done.
Having started writing on these issues, I realize I could go on forever and in a number of different directions, and this article is already getting long for a blog-post. So, let me wrap this up for now.
My basic take on this is that we are better off passing whatever it is that can pass. If we get more people covered and eliminate rescissions and preexisting conditions preclusions, then we’ll have helped a lot of people. My best guess is that the primary problem with the health care bill that does pass will be that it does not do enough to create cost savings. What will happen then is that Congress will have created a semi-entitlement (which they’ll never take away) that they cannot afford. The reasons that they will not be able to afford it will be because of all the things (particularly the public option) that are not in the bill. And they’ll wind up fixing the problem down the road.
While all that is going on, we should give up on HR 676 and put all that effort into passing single-payer in Pennsylvania (and other states where it is remotely feasible). My advice is based on my best assessment of the political landscape. If Obama fails to pass any health care reform at all because progressives join small-state Democratic senators in killing all efforts at compromise, then the cause of health care will be set back sharply and the potential for a return to power of the Republicans will be boosted to an unacceptable level.
so, if we just give up on single payer and we forget about the public option we should be able to get at least a start towards single payer and or a public option? Right?
Bullshit. If, after all the statements and all the promisses and all the pledges that have been mad, this is what we get- Bullshit.
I can tell you this Boo- there will be, at the least, a mass exodus of the “Obama Troopss”. And they will be right.
The time is now, and if the Obama administration doesn’t have the balls to go for it now, with the results of the 08 election as a base, when the hell do you think any form of health care reform will take place. Not in you life time!!!
You tell me how we get cloture.
I’m willing to listen.
Give the blue dogs a deal they can’t refuse. Make them office in the restrooms. Obama could raise an army to dog their every step. Black mail them with their crimes.
Really there is no choice. If Obama can’t win on health care, he may as well resign because he will never win on anything.
Passing a bad bill will cost everyone so much that the Republicans will make stunning gains in the midterms and democrats will be finished, maybe forever.
setting aside that there is no technical blue dog caucus in the Senate to vote for or against cloture…
the idea that Obama would benefit from making Kent Conrad use a restroom for an office (as if the president even has that power) is ludicrous.
we can pass pretty much what we want in the House despite the Blue Dogs. Our problem is with senators from North and South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, Arkansas, and maybe one in Delaware.
They are more scared of passing a public option than they are of having Obama campaign against them or even of the DNC withholding funds. Show me where we have leverage.
Any military facilities that can be shut down? You know, DoD – Pentagon budget adjustment, reducing costs?
you know, there are theoretically ways to play some serious hardball along the lines you suggest. But, really, those things are not very effective against senators. In the House, it’s easy to kick someone off a committee or encourage someone to run in a primary or withhold earmarks or even take another side in a base closing argument.
But the Senate is run by unanimous consent, and even one pissed off senator can grind things to a halt and force you to take three days to accomplish one day’s schedule. If Harry Reid screws with Kent Conrad on orders from the White House, Harry Reid is never going to stop regretting it. And Reid can only do that if the caucus goes along with it. But Conrad can screw every member just as badly as Reid.
It just doesn’t work. And these people aren’t beatable in primaries. In the end, you have to work with the Senate. You can’t push people around too much.
So how did Bush get all he did? No Dems “ground things to a halt.” Seriously, what were the last 8 years all about?
That’s an excellent question and it would take a long time to adequately answer it.
The short (inadequate) answer is that Democrats are culturally and temperamentally completely different people from Republicans. Democrats basically created the rules and customs of Congress because they were in the majority for almost the entire time between 1933 and 1994. The Republicans were in chafing in the minority and they never really accepted the customs because they were imposed on them. They are built to oppose, not to legislate. For the most part, the GOP doesn’t even believe in the federal government because they have imposed one defeat on them after another. The Dems, on the other hand, do believe in legislating, even when they are in the minority. And they believe in the rules and customs of Congress. So, when the Dems are suddenly in the minority, they don’t suddenly upset everything to use every trick in the book to obstruct. They want to legislate.
Yes, we could have had our members act like Coburn and DeMint during the Bush years, but that’s just not how Democrats operate. They don’t shut don’t the Senate’s business with asinine bullshit because they’ll get retaliated against and their legislation won’t pass. Most Republicans don’t even have any legislation. You can occasionally get them by attacking their pork, but only if you control the purse strings, which we didn’t during most of the Bush years.
The biggest difference isn’t individual, it’s collective. The Democrats would never, as a caucus, agree to obstruct everything all the time for no coherent reason using nothing but lies as support.
So the Republicans are now just obstructionists and the Dems have become old style Republicans, e.g., Specter becomes a Dem with the support of Rendell and Biden.
This is going to cause me to need health care!
would have loved to answer you as soon as you posted but I just couldn’t so, even though you probably won’t respond, here goes. To Hell With Cloture. Go to the wall with a public option and if they want to fillibuster or block it in any way- let them and then BUY AD TIME and rip them all new holes. Let the public know exactly what they LOST by not supporting a public option. It is time Boo and though you are right on a practical basis, there has to come a moment. And this is the moment.
If not now-when?
BooMan becomes Bill Clinton.
How incredibly funny.
Not sure what you mean, so it’s hard to respond.
Bill Clinton didn’t get a bill to the floor because he couldn’t work out a compromise. I don’t advocate repeating that mistake.
In real strategic terms, I would do quite a bit of two-stepping here. I’d let the House pass a stronger bill and I’d fight for everything I could get out of Finance and then out of the final Senate bill. And then I’d fight for as much as I could get in reconciliation.
For progressives, they should get the opportunity to pass a public option bill out of the House. If we lose it, we should lose it in conference, not before.
But I think it’s a mistake to torpedo the conference report and get nothing. A foot in the door is a better way, in my opinion, for both policy and political reasons.
Is Bill Clinton now a supporter of single-payer in the states?
Go ahead, differentiate yourself on details. It will make you feel better.
Details don’t matter; it’s the entire way of thinking about how much you can accomplish.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong. I just think this is hilariously funny.
Details don’t matter? That is uncharacteristic of you.
What is stopping all Democratic Senators from allowing the bill to voted on and then vote against it? The caucus is held hostage by own Democrats voting with Republicans to block bills. Could there not be a huge PR move from WH to at least allow a vote from Senators? Allowing Congress take the lead and not having a bill for his supporters to defend/promote has been a strategic disaster.
It would be nice to say we can wait on a state by state basis for a serious cost cutting solution like single payer for all to help get this backbreaking cost off of their books.
Now, we have twice as many banks as before that are holding toxic assets as we did before.
We need a serious solution like SP for every company to become competitive if the American economy is going to dig out of the hole… Either that or we are going to need it to save the lives of the poor that are going to suffer in an imploding economy.
A “return to power of the Republicans”?
Don’t they have to be out of power first before they can return to it?
All the GOP has lost is the ability to determine the current topic of debate. They can apparently still thwart the will of nearly three-quarters of the public.
Good job isolating the systemic flaw, though. It’s the Senate.
I think we are NOT better off just passing anything that will pass. If whatever is passed is so lousy it’s certain to fail, that failure will then be held up as the shining example for why the government shouldn’t regulate or pay for health care.
Of course, that may be the real plan…
This is the risk.
It isn’t that I haven’t thought of this. And I take it seriously.
But, two points.
For example, if the non-profit co-ops provide people with health care that they like, then we have no political problem and we help a lot of folks. But if the co-ops fail at reducing costs, they’ll be ramped up or scrapped for something that has more government negotiating power.
Political problems cost us elections and power, but budget problems have a compelling logic that tend to force politician’s hands even more than their own career safety.
They do not like to be without money to spend lavishly.
If we create something politically popular (access to health care) but the problem is that it doesn’t fix the exploding budget problem, then they’ll do something that fixes the budget problem rather than scrapping the access to health care.
That’s why I call this a foot-in-the-door strategy.
The risk is that the thing is actually a political disaster as well as a budgetary one. And budget issues do eventually cause political problems, so they’re not unrelated.
In any case, getting nothing is really costly, and it’s hard to see how it would lead to a better outcome in the near-term.
This is from ’06 Crude awakening: Treasury losing tens of billions to oil companies — I never read what happened… there was no oohing and aahing over the influx of money from oil companies. My guess is it died somewhere in Congress.
People were (are) ticked over high gas prices — no public loyalty to the oil companies, why not collect owed taxes and leasing funds to fund health care? Might change the dynamics of the crowds being activated to oppose health care reform.
Limbaugh, et al would have to adapt their drumbeat … might be more difficult.
As policy, it sounds like a good idea. As politics, it could help on the margins. But the opposition is mobilized right now against the idea of our president and the idea of socialism and fascism and being ruled by a coalition dominated by non-white males. talking points are not going to work. The only thing that will work is satisfying the Democrats in the Senate that this is their best interests. Really, the merits have almost nothing to do with what is going on.
But the opposition is mobilized right now against the idea of our president and the idea of socialism and fascism and being ruled by a coalition dominated by non-white males. talking points are not going to work.
I was listening to the local Limbaugh radio tonight, a minor player on a Sunday night. He was gloating about Obama being stopped, celebrating the methods used to disrupt, halt and have town hall meetings canceled.
If Obama loses the public option, it will reinforce the whole “mobilization.”
And in the wings we have“Sensitive” Oil Industry Memo Lays Out Plan For Astroturf Rallies Against Climate Change Bill.
yeah, I know. But so will losing everything.
Here’s the NYT’s reporting:
There is nothing wrong with a co-op in theory, but it might not have the resources or scale to do what we want to do. I hope that helps clarify what I am arguing in this piece.
So do Conrad and Shelby and their families have tax payer funded health care or do they belong to co-ops back in their home states? And do they return to their home states for health care?
A flight to ND with a back spasm or a trip to Alabama with the flu or family members needing chemo, surgery, medications — they go to a home state co-op?
If they are not walking their talk, then it’s bullsh*t. And they should be called on it.
Wiki Answers:
Can I have what they have… we are all “equal,” right? I mean, the U.S. is not like the old Soviet Union with first among equals. That was the nightmare of communism or so we were told.
Agreed.
Let’s just get out of the way that earthworms have stiffer spines than Conrad and Baucus.
Ok. Now for policy and political reasons, I’m against not having a public option. Why spend the political capital on something that A) won’t solve the problem and B) will still be opposed and demonized by rethugs? That will only weaken the Admin.
Now I’m a/b damned sick and tired of our weak @$$ Senators. They sold us out on the war and now that they have a blasted SUPERmajority, they’re still effin around?
I don’t know how to get it thru the Senate either, but I do know this: there are more ways to skin a cat–or elephant or recalcitrant donkey. I think we can turn the corner on Hatefest ’09. I liked the Montana and CO town halls and thought they were quite effective. I was actually reassured, and as much as I love our POTUS, assurance is not what I either look for expect.
More importantly, this: there’s a rulebook on Senate procedure…I suggest someone get creative and do so quickly.
How will it be politically popular for the middle working class? This reform will not change their lives in premium savings and unfortunately, giving others health care does not mean much to many. It just seems like a boondoggle for Insurance companies.
Count me out in supporting a half-assed bill with NO public option. I don’t believe for one second that NO bill is worse than a half-assed bill full of bullshyt that doesn’t solve anything, but can allow gutless coward Democrats – and that will include OBAMA – to say that they ‘ passed something’.
FUCK passing ‘ something’.
no. let the democrats go back and explain why there’s no healthcare reform.
sick and tired of fucking triangulators.
hell no to a bullshyt bill meaning nothing.
the whole thing about ‘ costs’ gets on my last nerve. we spend a billion dollars a month in that rathole of IRAQ. DOES ANYONE COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT COST..
oh yeah, us unpatriotic progressives who hate the troops.
The ‘costs’ part has different pieces.
There is obviously the cost of the bill in increased government spending (as in, a trillion over ten years, or whatever). That’s one piece.
There there is the cost of people’s health care premiums. We have to stop the growth of that because more and more people and businesses are being priced out.
Then there is the cost of providing health care in the first place, regardless of whether people are insured. He have to control that cost because it’s bankrupting us just to run Medicare.
Your concern is over the cost (a trillion or so) of the bill as it compares to the cost of occupying countries in Asia or giving big tax breaks, or whatever. That is indeed an annoying thing to think about.
But, I’m really thinking about cost savings in the provision of health care. It’s a different part of this complex puzzle.
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that’s why to really achieve cost cuttings, you’re gonna have to go up river and deal with the mistakes that make so many people in america so sick in the first place.
a lot of this brouhaha could have been avoided if obama had used his bully pulpit to enlighten americans about the unholy alliance between Big Ag and the ‘food’ corporations, the subsequent corn-sugaring of the collective bloodstream.
that would have been the battle to take on with the first blush of honeymoon love.
McGovern’s report decades ago was squashed by the big foodcorps, since then the collusion and profits have grown exponentially, along with costs of healthcare.
no point just calling for more rags to mop up with, when someone’s busy pouring more water on the floor.
tackling the first causes is always the better way.
within 5 years i bet we could halve health care costs, if the ecocidal approach to farming were radically altered, especially animal farming.
keep it this way, and more swine flus mutating away as we speak, and there ain’t going to be enough money in the world to pay for any putative solution to the ‘health care crisis’, which is really, and much more importantly, a health crisis.
but good luck anyway…
Additionally, Obama has promised that the bill will be budget-neutral. What this means is that if the bill costs a trillion additional dollars it will be matched by a trillion less government spending for other programs or obligations. So, unlike the Iraq War which was funded in supplementals, the health bill would technically ‘cost’ us nothing.
Booman: Once we have more details it would be good to know what exactly amounts to a trillion dollars worth of reform.
This is without the public option, lesser subsidies for poorer folks, and no ability to negotiate with Pharma for lower rates on drugs.
I would have trouble being mandated to purchase that kind of reform. It’s silly that we’re perpetuating a system that doesn’t control costs.
Take a look at the summary (PDF) of the Ways & Means bill to get an idea of what a trillion dollars pays for.
I, too, would have no stomach for being mandated to buy shitty private health insurance. However, buying coverage from a non-profit co-op might be palatable. But, since no bill for that has been marked up, I don’t really know.
The whole idea is too nebulous right now for me to analyze it.
I was tired last night. This comment isn’t very good.
Part of making it budget neutral is by raising taxes (in the Ways & Means bill, by taxing people making over a quarter of a million a year), so it does cost some of us something.
I realize that the notion that “politics is the art of the possible” doesn’t sit too well with some folks, but in the end we may have to make a choice between accepting what can pass both the House and the Senate, or jumping off the cliff with the flag in our hand and getting nothing at all. As for me, I’ll take some reform as opposed to no reform.
I think you’re right on this one Booman — we can’t let perfect (or great) be the enemy of good (or mediocre). A base hit isn’t as good as the home run, but it’s certainly better than striking out…
But it’s Jello Jay:
Not that I don’t appreciate the appearance of spine.
This is an excellent account of these issues that makes
sense. Thank you.