It appears that the administration is mainly working with the Washington Post in their effort to prep the country for a scale-down of our effort in Afghanistan. That is not to say that the Post is supportive of a scale-down. If anything, the case is the opposite. But, tonight, the Post has another article by Bob Woodward based on an interview with National Security Adviser Gen. James Jones. They have a front-page article on the source of Taliban funding (something I’ve been wondering about for years) by Craig Whitlock. They have an editorial advising us to go all-in or all-out by Rajiv Chandrasekaran. And they have a piece by Walter Pincus on the Taliban’s successful communications strategy.
Whatever the specific intent of any of these articles, the cumulative effect is to convey a sense of an overwhelmingly daunting and hopeless challenge. And, I believe, that is what Obama wants to convey because his objective now is to gently announce that we are abandoning our nation-building effort in Afghanistan and that we will not be giving General McChrystal another 40,000 troops for a massive counterinsurgency program. This will contradict his campaign rhetoric and even some of his moves from the winter and spring. But talking tough on Afghanistan was always partly a way of compensating for being critical of military efforts in Iraq. He didn’t want to look unwilling to fight against terrorists anywhere in the world. But that doesn’t mean that he bought into the absurd ‘war-on-terrorism’ rhetoric of the Bush administration. With the failed elections in Afghanistan removing any semblance of legitimacy for Karzai’s government, there is no reason to invest more in his success. That’s the exact same mistake we made in Vietnam, and it cost us dearly in every way that counts.
The trick is largely political, but it’s also a matter of policy. We don’t want to invest money and lives in a lost cause, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t need a strategy for Afghanistan. We have NATO partners who have sacrificed greatly there. What do they want to do? What kind of aid and support are they willing to provide going forward? What kind of government is there going to be and how do we relate to it? What does the Pakistani government have to say? I think we need to talk to China, Russia, and India about Afghanistan, too, and see what they’re willing to do to help a central government maintain and expand stability.
What we shouldn’t do is more of the same. It’s becoming clear that Obama has already reached that conclusion. But now he has to sell it. And there are a lot of hawks in this country who are going to try to make him look weak and cowardly for doing something smart.
But he already did escalate. Now he wants to stop. Obama has disappointed for eight months now. Your second paragraph is a justification for his having said stuff you don’t think he believed in order to get elected – not unusual in the world of politics.
But it’s not “change”.
This is going to be about how to dismantle the god awful mess Bush made. The pressure will switch to the Afghan government.
Speaking of Hawks, Hillary and Bill Clinton will be on two different Sunday shows.
Both of the Clintons will, in their own sweet way, sabotage Obama. They want all the attention they can get and they want their own way. Also, they both know that Hillary should have been president.
Someone make the Clintons go away.
Knee-jerk anti-Clintonism if full bloom.
Leftiness clones.
Whadda buncha maroons.
See my comment below.
AG
I’m beginning to get that nagging feeling that Obama and his bff Rahm don’t know what the hell they’re doing.
Just sayin’.
I think Obama believed that adding troops to Afghanistan was the sensible thing to do. The effect of that addition was that things did not improve.
That indicates something. More of the same won’t work better.
So a change in course is warranted.
I don’t believe Obama was just placating the hawks to get elected. I think he legitimately believed that there was hope for a plan of focusing on Afghanistan. Now, however, actual events have indicated that this was misguided. So he’s being smart and changing course.
That is definitely NOT politics as usual.
You write:
I am glad to see you are acknowleding to the Clintons’ oft-expressed (And quite clearly expressed, I might add. Like “In your face, you poisonous fucks!!!” only in pol-speak.) position.
Bill said it again yesterday. Spoken in public, using very clear and very plainly understandable words. Plainer than anything that you will ever hear from Obama unless he is pushed right up against the wall and the main reason why I thought that Hillary Clinton would have been a very, very good President. May still be a very good President, actually, if Obama doesn’t soon stand up and start hitting back instead of playing media games with the Washingtoon Post.
Bill Clinton on “Meet The Press.” (What a depressing name for a program, by the way. Like “Meet the Cockroaches”. EWWWWWwwwww…!!!)
Can’t get much plainer than that.
Or any more correct, either.
Go get ’em, Big Dog.
Later…
AG
It’s nice that Bill Clinton has his back with statements like that. Yet you seem to think there’s a chance that Hillary’s going to unseat him in 2012. Wouldn’t that mean they’re plotting against Obama and are in on the conspiracy? And then Bill would be full of shit? You need to make up your mind.
Hillary lost and she’s never going to be President. Get over it.
Yawn.
More knee-jerk anti-Clinton paranoia from another leftiness shmoo.
Get a brain.
No.
What itmeans is that the Clintins are trying to maintain a correct course…in their own estimation…regarding the terrible, terrible state of affairs in this country…this violent, militarily aggressive, right-wing-dominated-for-about-80%-of-the-last-60-years county…and I have no particular wish to see Hillary Clinton or anybody else in the White House. Obama is fine with me on any number of levels, not the least of which is my oft-stated position that I think that a successful future of the United States depends almost entirely on how well it utilizes the vast and highly motivated, hungry-for-success and hard working workforce within its borders that is comprised almost entirely of people of color, lower-middle class/working class white people and women of all races. It is no accident that the only two successfully left-ish presidents of the last 45 years or so both sprang from those talent pools, nor is it an accident that Hillary Clinton…perhaps overall the most successful American politician of the last decade or two, win, lose or draw regarding the presidency… represents the aspirations of the third part of that trio of groups.
I am neither “pro-Clinton” nor am I by any means anti-Obama. I am simply an admirer of those who stand face-up to the far right wing of humanity, be they Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Winston Churchill, and openly brand them for the monsters that they are.
You don’t see it that way?
You think that it is the Clintons who are monsters?
Fine.
Shmooze on.
If Obama doesn’t stand up .to these people…and soon…he can grab a hammer and go join that nice man Jimmeh Carter…remember, nice guys do finish last… in his house-building projects, at least until the Cheneys of this world produce the Armageddon towards which they are most certainly headed.
AG.
P.S. Did you know that shmoon willingly jumped into frying pans in order to feed the hungry? You could look it up. SUCH nice creatures!!!
The key to solving the south Asia problem is to have a stable government in Pakistan. With the ISI supporting the Taliban and the president being (1) beholden to the ISI and (2) having the power to dismiss the government and dissolve parliment, a way needs to be found to emasculate the ISI. Perhaps having India remove its forces from the Kashmir area or melding Pakistan & Afghanistan into one entity or redraw the border so the Sunni Pashtuns have their country and the Shia Uzbek/Tajik/Turkmen descendants in the north have their own country.
Regardless, the US needs to find a way to stop spending our treasure there.
Ah yes, the secret to the problems that we have by invading one country is to interfere in the government of another, telling a third where in its own territory it can keep troops, and then rearrange all the borders in the region to America’s liking.
All foreign policies that have worked so well for America in the past. Certainly the CIA would love these ideas. I can see them typing up the white papers now.
The only way to stop spending treasure there is to ……. stop spending treasure there.
nalbar
Oh yeah! Let’s start forceably redrawing other countries’ borders to better serve what the U.S. believes are its interests. Forget about what anyone else – like, you know, the people from those countries – want or need. You bet! THAT’s the 21st century thing to do!
Interesting. George W. Bush, who wasn’t even elected at all at first, but, rather, appointed by a craven and anti-democratic Supreme Court, took us into the war. When it was time to “sell it” he simply launched the attack an announced it after the fact. Though Bush is an idiot, a war criminal, a serial destroyer of democratic practice, and many other vile things, he did at least have one quality of which Obama apparently could use much more: resolve.
Bush did many things, many of them at once grossly illegal and morally outrageous. And he seldom worried about even pretending to “sell” to the public. He proclaimed himself ‘the decider’ and set about deciding many things, as though that’s what an elected PotUS is suppposed to do—decide, even make ‘tough’ decisions, and then take what comes next, pleasant or ugly.
I hated and still hate the evil asshole Bush but despite myself I grudgingly admire that, though disastrously wrong almost without exception, he made decisions—or resolutely stood by those of Cheney and other miscreants “advising” him.
So, calm and pensive Obama says and does things in a (how do I say it? “less than entirely frank and candid fashion”? ) way which is calculated to “soften the blow” of stating things simply and plainly?
Bush, an unmitigated disaster as “commander-in-chief” at least never gave any appearance of doubting that this was one of his— if not, indeed, for him, the main among a number of —titles and ‘roles’. “Conservative” and “Neo-conservative” morons and fools apparently don’t mind the president committing any number of disastrous mistakes—as long as he commits them with resolve and doesn’t apologize for them later. That’s what those morons call “standing tall” when their party’s guy does it.
Bush did many things, many of them at once grossly illegal and morally outrageous. And he seldom worried about even pretending to “sell” to the public.
Bush didn’t sell his policies? Come on now. Have you forgotten the run up to the Iraq war? The marketing of the war by the White House Iraq Group. Judith Miller, etc.? How about his failed sales job on the privatization of Social Security? And if Obama were the sort of stubborn authoritarian asshole you “grudgingly admire” we wouldn’t be having this conversation about him reversing course on Afghanistan. I’m glad he’s either changing his mind or was just pandering to the hawks all along. If I admired mule headed assholes I’d be a Republican.
Again, the war he didn’t bother at all to “sell” is the one which is the topic here, that which was launched in Afghanistan.
Indeed, I do remember all the events you note; and they concerned an effort to build an international coalition—an effort which included, in addition to the now infamous fraud perpetrated at the U.N.–much ugly bullying and threatening of small nations in back-channel manoeuvres.
As for the American people, and even the Congress, you may recall that in the case of the build-up to the Iraq fiasco, which the world in general steadfastly refused to join or sanction, Bush resorted to a simple fait accompli which, with such a stupid and incompetent lot in Congress, worked marvelously. Congress, as Bush expected, had neither the sense nor the moral gumption to defy him—as it legally and morally was practically obliged to do. Rather than embarrass Bush and Cheney (and risk their terrible denunciations) Congress chose to allow Bush to embark on the disaster, fully foreseeable, which we now live with (after a fashion) today and in which, for its cowardice, thousands of Americans have been needlessly killed and maimed and many hundreds of thousands of others–mainly Iraqis–have suffered the same and much worse.
Funny, I remember something about the current US Vice President conducting some tainted Senate Hearings which were specifically orchestrated to sell the Iraq War. And it worked very well on Dem senators, who voted to give Bush war authority.
So Bush’s “resolve” on Iraq had a lot of Dem helpers.
You write,
“Funny, I remember something about the current US Vice President conducting some tainted Senate Hearings which were specifically orchestrated to sell the Iraq War.”
Think again, the topic here is the war in Afghanistan , remember ?
from Wikipedia’s article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#2001:_Initial_attack
recent news report regarding Colin Powell: Mr. Powell spoke with Mr. Obama about a variety of topics, but his remarks on Afghanistan resonated in the White House. “The question the president has to answer is, `What will more troops do?’ ” Mr. Powell told reporters before a speech in California last week. “You have to not just add troops. You need a clear definition of your mission and then you can determine whether you need more troops or other resources.”
It looks like “COIN” (AKA nation-building) is about to take a hit, in favor of “anti-terror”, which is bad for the COIN industry but is much more sensible.
They should have listened to Jorge.
“Let me tell you what else I’m worried about: I’m worried about an opponent [Gore] who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.”–George W. Bush, Nov. 6, 2000
“Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. . .I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I’m missing something here. I mean we’re going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war.” –George W. Bush, Oct. 11, 2000
“I think we’ve got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in national building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders.”–George W. Bush, Oct. 4, 2000
“a blow to the president”. Hmmm, I wonder, what would “the decider” do? After all, he created the illegal prison camp and, again, it didn’t occur to him to ask for anyone’s opinion or approval before hand.
Looks to me like Iran is doing its damndest to make sure the hawks gain credibility in the US and Europe before the threat of a more just and peaceful Afghanistan resolution comes to pass. Kahmeini and Ahmadinejad end up aligning with Cheney and the neoCons.
Step back, take a world view and think of Iran as being in the driver’s seat. That’ll help. Like Netanyahu, and others, he’s playing Obama like a fiddle. Or kazoo.
Anyhow, he’s set Obama up with an announcement of this new facility, offered a ya’ll come, and even offered to serve tea, deep underground, to which Obama has responded with strong demands — DEMANDS — that the US be allowed to visit, and drink tea, deep underground. Okay, no tea. Just like Ali’s Rope-a-Dope, Ahmadinejad set him up with the jab and then struck him with a bolo punch. Made him look silly as he sinks to the canvas not only on Iran but on so many issues.
Iran is playing a very dangerous and, to me, naive game.
When I saw the title of this diary, my thought was that it would be about Iran. The last week makes me think he is going to escalate–in Iran. They are daring him to do it, and he would have a lot of support for such a stupid maneuver, unfortunately.
of the 118 member Non-Aligned Movement, which represents nearly two-thirds of the United Nation’s members and comprises 55% of the world population. Iran is doing what it is legally entitled to do, with the support of much of the world, and the possible “stupid maneuvers” of others should not restrain it.
Iran, naive? They have the bulk of the US military ground forces on either side of them, and a large naval force off their shore, and they still call the shots. They are the winners of the Iraq conflict. They are making Obama look stupid with his current demands to do something Iran has already agreed to do, at a time when the US is sinking fast internationally and domestically. Pretty smooth act, if you ask me. I think Netanyahu learned from Ahmadinejad, and others will pick up on it too. US “demands” are a joke, and the US military is incapable of victory.
Let’s give the peanut gallery of the ‘101st Fighting Keyboarders’ something to snipe at.
Obama could sound weak or strong at the whim of the same media that sell ‘Tea Parties’ and bitch about rioters protesting the G-20 and calling them ‘Leftists’ instead of people realizing how many beans make five.
Media control can do that.
Iran is an absolute crock of false reporting, beginning with Ahmadinejad’s speeches : which note Israel is inflicting a Holocaust upon Palestine.
Rebuilding Afghanistan – a country of lines drawn through mountain ranges including disparate tribes of nomads by the British – includes the fantasy that one builds a country by shooting it up.
Have a couple of collections of alternative views and we’ll talk.
http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2009/09/23-sept-of-mice-and-menand-murder.html
http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2009/09/bulwark-of-freedom-ignorance-is.html
A few weeks ago a Russian military dude said something along the lines of wherever you put troops in Afghanistan you will find the Taleban even if they were not there before you moved troops in.
Very very sensible