When a prognosticator as good as Nate Silver bets money that, not only will Sarah Palin run for the Republican nomination for president in 2012, but that she will win it, you have to take that seriously. In the linked piece, Nate discusses the reasons that he thinks Palin will run, and sometime today he will publish the reasons that he thinks she can win. As this latter piece will involve Nate’s true expertise (crunching numbers), I eagerly await his analysis.
I’ve seen some people compare Palin to Ronald Reagan. Liberals never took Reagan seriously (he’s a two-bit B-Movie actor) and often expressed a desire to see him nominated because they assumed he would get crushed in a presidential election. Thus, the idea goes, Palin could surprise everyone in the same way that Reagan did. This is a version of the ‘be careful what you wish for’ maxim.
But there is another lesson from history. Sometimes the opposition party really does nominate someone who is almost wholly rejected by the national electorate. The most famous examples are Barry Goldwater and George McGovern. You could throw Walter Mondale into that mix, too, without fear of contradiction. Those nominees were beaten in almost every state in the union. Goldwater only carried his home-state of Arizona and the Deep South that was reeling from the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which Goldwater had filibustered).
The elections of 1964, 1972, and 1984 were unique in the sense that they defied normal voting patterns. In 1964, Utah voted for Lyndon Johnson. In 1984, Massachusetts voted for Reagan. In 1972, Massachusetts was the only state to vote for McGovern. Each of these elections involved a wholesale rejection of one candidate without much regard for ideology.
So, my question for Nate is not whether or not Palin can win the Republican nomination, but whether she could avoid this kind of wholesale rejection by the national electorate. Regardless of how badly the economy is doing, or how difficult our foreign policy challenges have become, would Palin be able to convince the voters of more than one or two states to vote for her against Barack Obama?
In some sense, that isn’t a fair way of putting the question. I don’t think Ronald Reagan could have defeated President Carter in a normal election year. He was assisted by a perfect storm of economic and foreign policy disasters. But Reagan had other advantages that Palin will not have. As his diaries attest, Reagan had more familiarity with policy than Palin. He had not quit his job as governor of California. He was taken more seriously than Palin by the both the GOP and the media establishment. And, in any case, I am not asking Nate whether Palin can win, but only whether she could avoid a total wipeout.
As we contemplate the spectacle of Palin actually running for and winning the GOP nomination, we have to envision the apoplectic reaction of the Wall Street-Republican establishment. We’d probably see another mass exodus of formerly moderate Republicans, who were completely alienated by the rise of Palinism. I don’t think Palin could compete for any traditionally Blue States, and she might struggle to win 35% of the vote in most of them. A better question is how well she could hold up in traditionally Republican states like Arizona and Georgia and Kentucky. Would she be able to polarize the nation sufficiently to hold onto most of McCain’s map? What are the states she’d be most likely to carry? Would her map look like Goldwater’s or more like Bob Dole’s?
Or, am I wrong? Could Palin be the second coming of Ronald Reagan?
If it is truly her intent to seek the nomination in 2012, what would she have to gain by leaving office in the middle of her term only to resurface in the midst of a book tour? Any future political aspirations will require that she somehow address this gap in her resume/experience. She will attempt, in typical Palinesque fashion, to gloss over it but there will never be an adequate explanation. But perhaps I expect much more than those who support her.
A lazy, incurious grifter would hang around for the paychecks and perks. Something smoked her out.
Oh gawd. Not more “we’re doomed!”-Palin concern trolling.
Didn’t expect it from this blog.
Ah well. Moving on.
where did I say ‘we’re doomed’?
The people who ran Bush may have great hopes for her – she’s like Bush in many respects though she lacks an entourage with credibility. But sexism plays a part – no matter how similar they are he was able to fake some gravitas at least during the campaign and she cannot. Re: comparison with other wipeouts – what effect will the tubes have in this instance?
take Reagan seriously. I was absolutely convinced that the American people couldn’t possibly elect a moron like him to the presidency. I felt so strongly about it that I STILL believed it as he was running for a second term.
The American peoples’ willful ignorance apparently knows no bounds.
Nate Silver gives her a one in three chance of the nomination, and he got odds on his money if she won that part. That is different than believing she can win.
I still believe she WILL be the nominee.
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If the economy in 2012 is back a modicum of prosperity, the situation is likely to look like 1964, 1972, and 1984 in which the incumbent got the credit for a strong economy.
Nixon (1960), Ford, Carter, George H. W. Bush lost because of a stagnant economy. But their opponents all won narrowly.
Bush/Gore was an anomaly I hope never happens again, but Gore’s numbers were anemic in part because the business press was saying that the boom was ending and kicking off the IT collapse and puncturing of the dotCom bubble. Anticipation of economic problems. Of course, Gore’s advisers were as good as Hillary Clinton’s and John McCain’s were in campaign strategy.
Humprhey lost because the Democrats imploded.
These are the scenarios for 2012.
(1) The Republicans implode. Palin wins, and it is like 1964, 1972, and 1984.
(2) The Democrats don’t deliver. Palin wins, and it is a toss-up.
(3) The Democrats implode over progressive-conservative tensions. One side or the other sits out. Palin wins narrowly, like in 1968.
(4) Republicans get smart; Palin does not win and the teabaggers go crouch in the corner. Obama re-elected by a landslide.
Excellent analysis. I think scenario 4 is the least likely. Scenarios 2 and 3 look most likely to me, but the smart money would bet on #1.
This would be a disaster for the Democratic Party which would then move even more to the Right. We would be left with a Center-Right Party (D) and a Far-Right Party (R).
Or a Center-Right Party (D) and a Far-Right Party (R) and a centre left Progressive party (P)
was it a disaster for FDR that his party was filled with segregationists? I’d argue that that was a problem for the country as a whole, and it didn’t matter what party the segregationists belonged to, so long as they supported the New Deal.
No argument there. The country was loaded with segregationists everywhere.
I was watching a History Channel biography of Eleanor Roosevelt with one of my grandsons. The narrator mentioned that she was castigated for entering black homes unaccompanied by a white man. My grandson was confused and said,”What’s wrong with that?” I explained that many people then thought black men were just thirsting to rape white women and a woman would have to be looking for sex to go into a black house alone. He was dumbfounded. “What!!! How STUPID were they?” Children are the hope of the future aren’t they?
Palin is a shiny object to distract us and the media; Huckabee is the dangerous one. He comes across neither as an idiot, an extremist, nor a hater. His more extreme positions are cloaked in careful code. He own the Right Wing Christian vote because he is truly one of them; therefore he need not visibly pander to them. He has appeared on Jon Stewart and comes across as a nice, moderate guy. Look how well he did in the primary with a severely underfunded insurgent campaign. It is he, not Palin, who keeps topping the polls among Republicans as to who they want to nominate. And, though he was an outsider in 08, he has been accepted into the Republican establishment. Proof: he has his own show on Fox. And you’ll notice he is avoiding controversy – stayed out of NY-23, not nearly as extreme on his show as Beck or Hannity. He is not collecting strong negatives, nor providing easy targets. This man has a good shot at being our next President – God help us.
I agree. Short of Petraeus coming into the picture, which event is heavily dependent on the evolution of foreign affairs, Huckabee is the best bet. He’s affable and not scary, and is quick on the stump. The Republican establishment didn’t like him because he was an unknown quantity and rather too populist for Wall Street prior to the Crash. He’s trimmed his sails. If the big money gets behind him, he will be unbeatable. I don’t think Romney has any chance this time out. Big Money gave him a shot last time and he didn’t make it.
the thing is, I just can’t see the ‘others’ who want the nomination, to just stand by and let her win it. …that they’re going to sit on their hands and just go ‘ ok, Sarah, you can have it’….
I dont buy that for one minute.
Surely, you jest – Satan could be nominated by the GOP and the hillbillies around here would vote for him over that uppity (n-word).
It’s 2012 – the economy is still sliding, desperation is setting in. Jobs? No one is hiring. The middle class lives in a pile of falling-apart plastic crap. It’s every dog for himself.
And then, the worst case happens — Hucksterby/Palin 2012, with Sec. of State Liz Cheney.
Both Palin and Hucksterbee have to work hard to cloak their true extremism. But they’ll have no problem bullshitting the media. They’ll spend a lot of time playing distraction games, which the media will fall for every time. And the Democrats will bungle Obama’s re-election bid by being too cautious.
How much you want to bet?