That’s the only explanation I can think of for a surprising election result I will likely never see in the US of A:
Environmental campaigners and Green party activists heralded a breakthrough today after a former rubber-tapper from the Brazilian Amazon who rose to be a world-famous rainforest defender became the central figure in the second round of the country’s presidential election.
Marina Silva, who was raised in the Amazon state of Acre and was illiterate until the age of 16, failed to make the second round but came away with 19% of the vote, far higher than pollsters had expected. […][
“It is a spectacular result,” Alfredo Sirkis, the Green party’s president in Rio de Janeiro, told the Guardian.
Sirkis said the record vote meant the Green party would be able to force debate on crucial environmental issues in the lead up to the second round. Such issues included controversial changes to Brazil’s forestry code, which environmentalists claim will further damage the Amazon rainforest, and Brazil’s commitments on climate change in Copenhagen.
The O Dia newspaper in Rio de Janeiro, where Silva came second with 31.52% of the vote, described a “green tsunami” in its front-page headline.
“Marina Silva’s face will not be on the ballot on October 31 but her electoral ghost will decide the second round,” the newspaper said. “She has become the central figure in this campaign,” said Altino Machado, an Amazon journalist and blogger who has known Silva since the late 1970s.
Imagine that. A Green Party candidate winning 20% of the vote. Of course, in the land of the Fox News Ignoramuses and with corporate “persons” spending whatever they like to ensure our elections provide the result they prefer, no green candidate is likely to ever be a force that changes the dynamic of US presidential and congressional elections. Well, that and the electoral college which would make voting for a Green Party presidential candidate a wasted effort.
No, the United States is like a fading red giant star that looks more powerful than it is because of its bloated military, but which will soon collapse upon itself as it burns away all of its remaining resources of ingenuity in the fires of ignorance, blindness, greed and disinformation. We are rapidly losing our economic power as the world economy decouples from the US, and our diplomatic influence is at a low ebb as well.
As the US declines economically (thanks to our elite’s continued allegiance to insane Conservative promoted and middle class killing “free market” economic policies), eventually our military power will decline as well, until all we will have left is our nuclear saber to rattle mindlessly and ineffectually every so often. Meanwhile, China, Brazil and other forward looking nations will dominate the coming century.
I congratulate Marina Silva and her party. At least they will build on their political influence and hopefully will make a difference for our future on earth. At this time I cannot foresee any significant US impact in terms of diplomacy regarding climate change treaties, the development and investment in alternative energy technologies or even common sense economic policies so long as the Mega-corporate/conservative reign of error (which benefits the few at the expense of the many) dominates and distorts our political scene.
Is it a parliamentary coalition system like most European countries, or a winner-take-all like ours?
In our system, the Greens are a disaster. In Illinois, Giannoulias, slightly left of center, is close to Mark Kirk, a flaming piece of lying shit. The Greens have a ballot line, and Giaennoulias may lose due to the Green share.
So long as we remain a majoritarian winner-take-all system, the Greens do us no good at all. Say whatever you want about “Demopublicans”, if Kirk wins, he will harm Obama and the marginally progressive agenda.
So, with that in mind, I am confused about your promoting Greens, Steven.
Disagree about Giannoulias. The thing is, when candidates in Illinois (Senate) are in any bit of trouble, they trend left. If he wins (and I expect him to win), the same happens.
He might be a liar, but he’ll prolly stand by whatever lies he tells.
I appear to be unclear. Mark Kirk is the lying piece of shit, and Giannoulias is only close to him in polling. The Greens do steal left-side votes. In Illinois, they are a line on the ballot, which is not the case in all states.
Since 2000, I do not like the Greens or Naderite independents. We have enough trouble getting our Democratic votes out without splitting the left side.
You’re confusing a few issues here – presidential vs. parliamentary system, how individual officials are elected, and what kind of region individual legislators represent. One issue in the US is that most elections anoint as winner the candidate that receives the most votes, even if that is less than 50%, instead of having a runoff. That allows candidates to win with pluralities, as Clinton did in 1992. Another issue in the US the legislature consists entirely of single-member districts, which when combined with above means that 3rd party or independent candidates rarely get elected.
Anyway, going by the description at Wikipedia, Brazil has a strong presidential system with a bicameral legislature that has state-based districts with proportional representation in the lower chamber.
Giannoulias is a corrupt banker, and close friend of Rahm and Obama. I am pretty sceptical he’ll live up to any of his leftwing promises. His lose to the greens will discourage the dems from runnning candidates like him again, which is good in the long run. I would definately vote for Jones, specifically because it will spoil Giannoulias and the Rahmbo dems.
and end with the Crap from teh reich wing moron side.
GEEZUS!!! Enough with the shit, eh?
Maybe you ought to explain how Rahmbo dems would have been and improvement over Bush given the fact that they all supported the Iraq war too, like their mentor Rahm did? Explain how they are less right wing when they all fall in line behind nostrings bailouts for their banking buddies?
way OT. your comment is pretty much the definition of troll.
Then the comment I was responding to was the original troll.
You are apparently not following the race, or are a total idiot. Rahmbo is not running for IL Senate. Nor is he running for IL Gov. These are the races where the useful idiots who vote Green will throw it to the Repukeliscum, or do you not understand the American system?
I understand the American system well. Banks and other conservatives game both parties with their candidates, and leave me with lesser evil choices. When I reject those evil choices, it backfires on them.
Yep, sure does. Remember 2000 (possibly you are too young). Those Nader voters (no difference between Demopubs and Republicrats?) sure taught us all a lesson. The lesson is that when you vote for an alternative to “teach them a lesson”, sometimes the lesson is not the one you had in mind. In the case of the 2000 voters, we had 2 recessions, 2 wars, a doubling of the national debt, and an 8 year voyage into the stupid which is still going on.
Voting for “the lesser of 2 evils” is still a good approach, because the Republicans really are worse than the Democrats.
Brady is radically anti-choice. Kirk is a serial liar, and he is a weasel. Both would be terrible for Illinois.
I was most certainly around then, and I don’t think nader voters hurt anything. Gore’s vp was Lieberman. His mentor was Martin Peretz, both rabid Iraq war boosters. All dlcs like Gore voted for the war. Obama has not stopped it. He has just changed the designation of the military personal still there from combat to noncombat. We probably would have gotten into Iraq if Gore were elected too. Your tactics are just based on unfounded notions that their was a real difference between the two, or that one winning over the other made a difference.
Pfahh!
i don’t think a dlcer is any better than a republican. If I am republican than don’t claim Jones is stealing votes from the left. You can’t have it both ways.
You’re definitely a troll, or an idiot. Hard to say which. Your political approach will result in Repukeliscum wins in IL Senate and Gov. The Democrat is better.
He’s not better in my opinion. My approach will discourage dems from running another probank candidate in the future.
You really are totally in the ozone.
don’t go around namecalling those with older user ids than you and labeling them trolls!
hence, logically, a troll. probably paid by the word by the Koch brothers, hoping to cynicize a few tribbers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/04/brazil-election-breakthrough-greens
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