I agree with a lot of Peter Daou’s analysis. I especially agree on three points. First, the culture of Washington DC is absolutely toxic and really does resemble a bad movie about high school. Second, the political Establishment, including the Democratic Establishment, is not in tune with progressive politics. Third, if we’re ever going to stop losing ground to the radical right, the Democratic Establishment is going to have to learn to work with the activist base. Where I have a problem with Daou’s take on things is that he places all the blame for this less-than-ideal relationship on the Democratic Establishment and he gives the progressive blogosphere a complete pass.
Daou quotes Kevin Drum making sense.
Conservatives have just flat out won this debate in recent decades, and until that changes we’re not going to be able to make much progress.
This is why I blame the broad liberal community for our failures, not just President Obama. My biggest beef with Obama is the same one I had three years ago, namely that he’s never really even tried to move public opinion in a specifically progressive direction. But that hardly even matters unless all the rest of us have laid the groundwork. And we haven’t. Wonks, hacks, activists, all of us. We just haven’t persuaded the public to support our vision of government. Until we do, the tea party tendency will always be more powerful than we are.
But Daou rejects this blame, arguing that the problem is that the Democratic Establishment is responsible for our failures because they don’t work with their activist base. Daou offers up a fantasy alternate universe for our consideration:
Imagine a scenario where Democrats, instead of marginalizing the netroots, treated them with the same awe and respect the tea Party engenders on the GOP side. Imagine an Obama presidency where the health care debate started with a fierce fight for single-payer; where Gitmo had been closed; where gay rights were unequivocally supported; where Bush and Cheney were investigated for sanctioning torture; where climate change was a top priority; where Bush’s civil liberties violations were prosecuted rather than reinforced; where the Bush tax cuts expired; where the stimulus was much bigger; where programs for the poor, for research, jobs, infrastructure, science, education, were enhanced at the expense of war and profits for the wealthy; where the Republican assault on women’s rights was met with furious resistance. I could go on and on.
In short, imagine an America where the Democratic establishment loudly proclaimed that they were unshakable champions of core progressive values and that they would work hand in hand with their base to convince America that their ideas were superior to the right’s.
Of course, that’s a fantasy. The unwillingness of Democratic leaders and strategists to do anything remotely close to that has virtually guaranteed that the triangle isn’t formed on the left.
The first problem with this list is that Daou is asking us to imagine a Washington DC in which the Republicans have no power. The second problem is that the list is typical of the laziest kinds of criticisms the progressive left launches at the president. Let’s start at the top. The administration is supposed to treat the netroots with awe and respect? What if I asked Peter Daou to treat the office of the president with awe and respect? How would he respond to that? How would he respond if the White House press secretary spent every day issuing statements about how Peter Daou is useless and spineless and secretly a Republican? I point this out to highlight the silliness of asking for awe and respect from people you dump on for a living. There has to be some level of mutual respect to form a healthy relationship, and I agree we need to create a healthy relationship.
Now, let’s get into the meat of Daou’s list, starting with single-payer health care. There were eight serious candidates for the Democratic nomination in 2008, and seven of them had health care plans that did not include single-payer. The exception was Dennis Kucinich, whose candidacy was basically based on keeping single-payer in the conversation. There are think tanks all over the capital that have been drafting health care reform proposals ever since HillaryCare failed to even get a vote. The entire premise of their efforts for fifteen years was that single-payer could never pass through the Senate. They were not incorrect in that assessment. The reason Obama didn’t run on single-payer is that no one would have taken him seriously and he wouldn’t have won the nomination. Kucinich took on the job of trying to keep the issue in the conversation, the rest of the candidates wanted to win and also to be able to deliver on their promises.
As for Gitmo, no one had the president’s back on Gitmo. No one. He made the effort. His erstwhile political allies ran for the hills.
On gay rights, the president has delivered and delivered and delivered. At this point, it is almost grotesque to continue to complain about the president’s record because it isn’t unequivocal enough.
I agree with Daou about the failure to hold Bush officials, and some military and intelligence officials responsible for the crimes of the Bush administration. I’d add banksters to the mix. But we should also acknowledge the high price he would have paid for doing so. Still, I think this is a fair criticism.
Obama traded an extension of unemployment benefits, the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, an overhaul of the food safety system, and the passage of the START treaty for a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts. Is there something wrong with that trade?
We can keep having a debate over the size of the stimulus, but it should be obvious by now that the president’s advisers misjudged how big the hole was that they needed to fill. His advisers have also explained ad nauseum that there was a limit to how much money they could push into the system. The hole was bigger than our ability, politically or pragmatically, to fill it.
As for the war on women’s rights, the president has appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court. He just announced that health care plans need to provide a range of free services for women. This is the greatest advance for women’s health since Roe v. Wade.
I mention all this to highlight the ungrateful and uncharitable nature of much of the pervasive progressive complaints we see repeated every day. I don’t know if you are familiar with Daou’s Triangle theory (you can read about it here and here). Basically, it’s about creating a counterweight to the right that can influence the media’s coverage of politics.
If the White House and Democratic leadership were in sync with the activist left rather than insulting them at every opportunity, the media would follow and the triangle would form.
I’ve already covered the irony of complaining about insults from people you insult for a living. But there’s something else wrong with this picture. Probably several things. First off, progressives can’t or won’t behave like Tea Partiers. Progressives are not the vanguard of a populist movement. We’re a combination of the poor, the powerless, the discriminated against, on the one hand, and the highly educated, science-minded, secular-oriented, intelligentsia on the other. Throw in the unionized working class and you have the progressive movement. Most of our opinion leaders are from the intelligentsia-wing of the party. A very high percentage of progressive bloggers have advanced degrees. We’re not about to take up pitchforks or start carrying firearms to political rallies, and we’re too committed to reason to resort to lies and distortions as matter of strategy or policy.
Another problem, it seems to me, is that the progressive blogosphere arose as an opponent of both the media and the political establishments, and we seem ill-suited and incapable of forming a partnership with power. Policies we opposed under Bush, we still oppose under Obama. Perhaps, we’re quieter in our criticisms, but we’re unwilling to just get on board and support whatever the Democratic Party or the White House wants to do. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just something we need to acknowledge. Because we’re different from conservatives, we can’t be expected to behave like them.
If what we need is a true counter to the pull of the Tea Partiers, the progressive blogosphere isn’t the right place to look.
But we can have a more productive relationship with the Establishment Left. It would start by getting clear where the line is between advocacy for issues and protecting our political position in Washington. We know we cannot afford to lose the presidential election in 2012. We could improve things considerably if we reserved our attacks on our own political leaders for areas where they at least have the freedom of acting otherwise. That would be a good start.
He worked for HRC during her primary campaign.
I hate to say it, but I see a pattern here.
I bet more come out of the woodwork and start in on what Obama did wrong.
that’s part of it. He never was an Obama guy and he’s obviously disappointed that his candidate lost. But his analysis isn’t mere sour grapes. He has put some honest thought into what he writes.
I think there is a lot of his bitterness over a lost opportunity for him had Hillary been elected. He would have had a higher profile and/or a job in the Hillary WH. That is what drives a lot of the PL anger.
It’s frustrating that the Clinton loyalists have such a lock on the few media roles for Democrats. It makes it hard for the Obama admin to get their message out when they don’t have anyone in the media willing to carry it.
It makes it hard for the Obama admin to get their message out when they don’t have anyone in the media willing to carry it.
You believe this crap? Both the President and the Clintons are DLC(or whatever they call themselves these days) Democrats. Look at who the President has hired as CoS.
Obama is not and never has been DLC. Do you remember how it emerged fairly early on in the campaign that Hillary could not win the nomination, and yet she refused to give up? And do you remember how Obama somehow got the support of most of the Democratic Party and she still wouldn’t quit? At the time, I thought I was witnessing the death throes of the DLC — and I was right. I know you probably think Obama is a republican, but he really isn’t.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html
So why are most of his cabinet, and staff, hires from the DLC/Turd Way/New Democrat crew? Rahmbo. Daley. Ken Salazar. Want me to go on?
Do you realize who was in charge of Black Commentator back then? And what he’s doing now?
I realize now that I was too quick on the draw in posting that link. I didn’t notice that it was from 2003, I thought it was from 2008. As for the interviewer (Bruce Dixon, I assume that’s who you’re referring to), I didn’t pay any attention to that either, but I still don’t see that it’s relevant, since the statement came from Barack Obama himself. What is interesting. however, is that Bruce Dixon more recently reported that Obama IS DLC.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/president-obama-declares-his-dlc-allegiance-says-i-am-new-d
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I can see why people think he is DLC. But to me it’s more complicated After all, he ran against the Clintons, who are DLC if anyone is; and his mentor Joe Lieberman, another ultra-DLC’er, supported John McCain.
Obama didn’t attend the DLC’s big event, the “National Conversation” in 2008.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-snubs-once-powerful_n_110005.html
The DLC was for many years the power center of the Democratic Party — not to its benefit. But Obama broke that power in 2008. If a lot of DLC’ers shifted over to Obama’s side in the process, that only shows that you can change the power balance in a party, but you can’t eliminate power itself.
the DLC’s final victory.
Obama hired Larry Summers to be his chief economics advisor (aka known as Clinton’s Treasury Secretary who was behind the repeal of Glass-Stegal) and his chief of staff was a Clinton guy. Like Clinton, Obama is pushing free trade agreements.
He escalated in Afgahnistan, and the draw down in Irag is something even McCain now agrees with.
C’mon $2: Obama doesn’t have plenty of backers in the MSM? Laughable.
Rachel Maddow. Chris Hayes (host of new weekend show on Msnbc). Jonathon Alter. Keith Olbermann (until recently). Donna Brazile. Jonathan Capehart. Lawrence O’Donnell. Tweety Matthews. Bob Shrum.
Radio: Randi Rhodes. Stephanie Miller.
Probably at least half a dozen other majors I’m forgetting.
Barack Obama has had more cheerleaders in the MSM than the 2 previous Dem presidents combined. That was even more true, and on obvious display, during the 08 primaries vs Hillary, who could barely buy a break from the notorious Clinton-hating corp media.
Obama has had easily the best MSM coverage of a Dem president since LBJ in the ’63-7 years.
But what has he done with it, and that solid, impressive 53% of the vote (even more if one believes the views of Prof Mark Miller) he came to office with?
I don’t think Maddow is an Obama backer now. Any way, who cares. You seem angry.
Well I’m angry with Obama over this recent debt deal as he capitulated to the Repubs. Angry in the sense that I had expectations of far better.
But my above doesn’t strike me as a particularly angry post. No foul words, no all caps ranting. So I’m not sure what you’re seeing there. I really just sought to rebut a rather far-fetched assertion about O’s mostly positive, and certainly not wildly unfair, media coverage.
Btw, like Olbermann, Rachel Maddow has only recently, and reluctantly, come to sound some off-notes about Obama (KO rather more forcefully and frequently of course). She is certainly no longer the pom-pom waving cheerleader for O that she was in the 2008 campaign (where on the radio she was relentlessly hostile to HRC), as most of the libs were at Msnbc.
(p.s.: Speaking of Msnbc and not getting all the pro-O liberal voices in my post above: that network has just hired one Rev Al Sharpton to replace Cenk Uygar — the Rev Al being a very strong Obama backer, including present time; I also forgot to mention that network’s regular WH watcher, Richard Wolfe, another pro-Obama reporter)
You’ve been on fire lately.
Keep up the good work.
A good place to start would be for people like Daou to at least spend a little time acknowledging what has been done before starting to complain about what hasn’t happened. And maybe, while complaining about what hasn’t been accomplished, acknowledging that much of that was not possible due to the total intransigence of the Republican Party and even a couple Democrats.
Promoting single payer would have absolutely haeve doomed any HCR. When figuring out the stimulus, even while recognizing it was probably too small, they were working with data provided by the Bush administration, data that was inaccurate.
Gitmo speaks for itself. So many Dems were afraid to fund the closing they voted against it. And some people want Obama to be like Bush and just dictate things. Of course, when Bush did that it was all about his exceeding his authority.
The elites of the reaction are wack jobs. And they’re morons. Not a good combination. They’re aided by a swath of people beholden to the irrational need to ignore reality and so easily misled and duped. So I definitely prefer Mr. Sensible to any undead carcass the right coughs up. Another republican administration could simply gut federal civil society in our country. Their destination is a world where trans-national corporate interests compete for scraps in the wild west of federal withdrawal, which coincides with irreversible economic decline and the concentration of wealth and social mobility in a small plutocracy. Four years of Mittchele Bachney could announce a painful period of social dislocation such as America has almost never known.
good work, BooMan
Does Daou equate the activist base with netroots? Not sure, but I find so many faulty assumptions in his piece that I don’t have the patience to finish it.
There is plenty of blame to go all around, but I like Kevin Drum’s blurb. We all have responsibility. Blaming just the most visible guy and then turning the channel to watch for the latest on Casey Whatever-her-name-is is not the use of one’s time that is going to change the political course of the country.
And progressive blogs (Daily Kos comes to mind) who adopt 90% of the same set of story priorities every day as the corporate media are also part of the problem. They need to write stories that are about key progressive concerns and aren’t just reacting to the corporate media narrative du jour.
Drum is onto something yet even with him, this about Obama is completely false and I’m amazed he wrote it:
“he’s never really even tried to move public opinion in a specifically progressive direction. “
The MSM doesn’t cover Obama well.
It seems as if the lefty blogs who don’t like Obama don’t know about the many things Obama has talked about. The offshore tax he wanted reversed, for example.
Maybe they don’t want to know. Destroys the narrative.
I know that quote is false but there’s a bit of truth in it. Single-payer would not pass through the Senate but that didn’t mean Obama couldn’t promote it every speech. Moving public opinion would be exposing the nature of the ‘free-market’ health care system.
Ask the average young voter who voted for Obama in 2008 what their opinion of him is now. Are they still inspired and motivated and to what end? An argument against a ‘do-nothing’ Congress might work with that demographic.
I’d like to see some evidence the quote is false.
When has Obama rhetorically really tried to move things farther to left?
If you want to make it about rhetoric and not policy then I would agree with you. I’ve looked for some vision from the guy since 2008 and I’ve yet to see it.
On social policy, at least, Obama has tried to take us in a progressive direction. Economic policy, not so much.
Obama has helped make libertarianism ‘in vogue’.
Especially when your hands are so tied policy-wise you need the rhetoric to inspire your side and help them take control of the debate. I’m not saying it would be a panacea, but without it we are going backwards.
I like this:
…mainly because you deliberately leave out the whole “throwing abortion rights under the bus as part of passing ACA”. There’s no way you forgot about that.
yes, because it sucked necessary revenue out of the economy. In addition, by scheduling them to expire just after the 2012 election, there’s a good chance they’ll get extended again. I have no faith that the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the rich expire. ever.
also, it damaged the president’s credibility: it was a very clear abrogation of a campaign promise. Coupled with the debt ceiling defeat he looks weak.
personally I think Taibbi’s right. Obama’s doing exactly what he’s supposed to do.
This is a gibberish sentence. You seemingly have no idea which way revenues flow.
well, there’s one way of looking at it where Brendan’s right.
The money sits in hedge funds and money market accounts rather than being available for redistribution where it might much more directly create jobs.
But in the ordinary use of the term, Brendan has it backwards.
You are now blaming Obama for the fact that the Democratic Party has a huge number of Catholics who don’t like to buck the bishops?
Excellent post!! In simplistic terms if one compares the Democratic Party with the Republican Party it comes down to this. The Republicans are always planning and creating new significant projects designed to out fox and hurt the Democrats. On the other hand the Democrats generally ignore the Republicans (in the absence of any Republican aggression). The Democrats prefer to act like sanctified bureaucrats and obsessively concentrate on the daily business of government.
The so-called Democratic strategists also fail to plan or create projects designed to hurt or weaken the Republican Party, and even when an advantage presents itself they will completely ignore it. A good exmple was the obvious internal battle for the soul of the Congressional Republicans that started shaping up even before the 2010 elections. Privately the Democratic leadership geefully aknowledged the prospect of a serious fight in the House Republican caucus, but did absolutely nothing to excerbate the developing split between the Tea Party newbies and the old guard Republicans.
As long as the Democrats pontificate and confine their activities to creating and voting on legislation, while the Republicans do this AND plan up tons of shyt against the Democrats; the Democratic Party will always wind up as the traditional official LOSERS.
Seriously, what? The Democrats did a fantastic job applying pressure directly on the fissure between Big Business and the Teahadis. The difference is that we don’t have a Democratic Mitch McConnell running around and telling everyone how everything the Dems do is a not-so-secret plan to fuck up the Republicans.
I think what parvenu meant (and if not, well, it’s something I think anyway) is that Republican policy is generally aimed at creating and electing more Republicans. Or at least, less Democrats. Things like reducing funding for education, demonizing minorities, voter ID laws, abolishing abortion, etc are all done with the side effect if not outright goal of creating a larger base and electing more Republicans. If we wanted to combat that, instead of just pushing back we should also be pushing forward, for things like making election day a federal holiday, requiring a semester study abroad program in high schools, etc. Things that will allow more of the Democratic base to get out and vote, and also that will create more likely Democratic voters in the future.
Of course right now they’re willing to go further than we are in the area of voter disenfranchisement. I say next time they propose a voter ID law, we hit back with “ok, but it has to be a college ID”.
Spot on. The Republicans understand the central thesis of Sun Tzu’s Art of War: Attack your opponent’s strategy. The Dems aren’t even in the same league.
The bottom line, I think, is that the lobbying establishment and the campaign establishment are too entertwined. Thus, any policy that would be effective at this strategic level is aggressively undercut by the campaign consultant community.
Well the FAA situation is something, another hostage situation. I have no ideas about it either.
This is one of the best posts I’ve read about this topic.
One of the things I’ve noticed about the history, especially the early history, of movement conservatism is that a lot of the operatives involved in creating it were simultaneously canny political hacks and ideological True Believers. I don’t see anything equivalent among today’s Democrats, and I think we need people like that on the left. It’s hard for me to say this, because so many of the people I’m describing, like Paul Weyrich and Pat Buchanan, are (or were) truly revolting human beings.
Well .. being sarcastic .. I suppose Hamsher and Greenwald(among others) could fill that role .. except the diehards made it personal .. so that won’t really work
is the rise of the counnter-establishment by Sidney Blumenthal. It’s old, but it describes the creation of right wing institutions that were built by the Goldwater alumni.
To the article (which I agree with) I would add the following:
The only blame that can be laid at Obama’s feat is that he loses public policy debates. He has badly lost the stimulus package debate (it polls terribly) and he lost for the most part the Health Care Reform debate (though the polling in 2010 on HCR looks almost exactly to the polling in ’94). His decision not to clean house at the Fed and the Treasury allowed the GOP to tie him to Wall Street.
The policy mistakes he can, with good, reason, blame on Congress (a larger or second stimulus package wouldn’t pass, HCR was a legistlative nightmare). I will say that had his economic advisors correctly predicted how bad the economy would get, I do think he could have gotten a bigger stimulus package, but that is pure speculation on my part.
This is why your blog is on my must-read list.
My biggest criticism of Daou’s piece and much of the netroots in general is that they confuse the netroots with the activist base of the Democratic Party. They couldn’t be further apart. The activist base of the party knows how to work with the Democratic establishment. Also, the netroots is significantly whiter, richer and more educated than the actual base of the party.
Until the netroots and left pundits start to realize they aren’t speaking for the base of the party, but for their rich, white and educated part of the party, I don’t see why the Democratic establishment should take them seriously.
Enjoyed this post – I’m basically here fleeing some other parts of the blogosphere that appear to have gone into nuclear meltdown. Will stop by here again.
This is the key quote for me: “we seem ill-suited and incapable of forming a partnership with power.” Bingo. I see a lot of progressives become crazily enamored with certain figures, like Obama, and then turn on him like pit bulls the minute the slightest thing goes wrong (I saw this very early in his admin, well before anything happening now, and many of those voices sound almost gleeful today). This pattern seems to be repeated over and over, like the dating scene at a junior high school, and it’s no wonder many of these guys don’t take us seriously: we’re not freaking serious. The establishment isn’t doing the best job, but neither are we.
welcome to the Frog Pond. The water is warm.
Yes, that was a terrible deal that set the stage for the debt limit battle we just lost. The Republicans gave up literally nothing they cared about in that bargain.
First, Obama got a 1-year extension of unemployment benefits ends in exchange for a 2-year extension of the tax cuts. That extension expires in December and they most likely won’t be renewed unless Obama goes after Social Security in the bargain. If this was important to you, Obama should have had the foresight to make sure the numbers matched when he made the deal.
This was the Republicans first hostage. Extending UI benefits during a recession had never been controversial before. It taught them that they could threaten to kill an otherwise uncontroversial piece of legislation and that Obama would give in to their demands entirely.
Second, START passed on a vote of 71-26. It was supported by Republicans and Democrats politicians including leaders of the military put in place by George Bush. This was not a “Democratic win” it was something the Republicans were at most ambivalent about.
Third. The Republicans have repeatedly attempted to defund the enforcement of the food safety law just passed. They started as soon as the new Congress took office. I’d give it even odds that they’ll strip the FDA of enough money to make it impossible to enforce. And if Republicans win big next year, you can kiss that reform goodbye.
Hurray for DADT repeal. Too bad it was Clinton’s legislation in the first place.
On START, Russian leaders were flat out telling Obama at the time that they didn’t think he could get the Republicans on board, and so he wouldn’t find the votes to pass it. Republican intransigence made already delicate negotiations far more difficult for Obama when dealing with international figures.
So don;t pretend that the republicans supported it at the time. They didn’t.
I didn’t say they supported it. I said they were ambivalent about it. Modern Republican politicians don’t support treaties in general, but there was significant Republican support for ratifying the START treaty in 2010. This was not a major concession on their part.
START I was put forward by Reagan. START II was put forward by Bush Senior. START III was publicly supported by Republican Senators Lugar, Corker and Isakson and by George H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker, Lawrence Eagleburger, Colin Powell, and Robert Gates. In the end 13 of 39 Senate Republicans voted for it – and remember they didn’t have to vote for it if they didn’t like it. They just had to allow it to get past the filibuster.
On START, Russian leaders were flat out telling Obama at the time that they didn’t think he could get the Republicans on board, and so he wouldn’t find the votes to pass it. Republican intransigence made already delicate negotiations far more difficult for Obama when dealing with international figures.
So don;t pretend that the republicans supported it at the time. They didn’t.
Sorry about the double post.
at this point I think we have to “ignore” Obama and direct our energy toward electing progressive senators and reps in congress as well as in state legislatures. it is pretty clear by now that obama likes to be led, he follows strong voices. as matt taibbi has pointed out, the dems as a whole cowered as much as the prez.
we need to re-elect the good ones, primary the spineless ones, and put in place a democratic congress that can then lead the prez in a less republican direction.
I agree with the general thrust of this. What I find hilarious, though, is that the White House thinks it’s our job to sell their piece of shit deals.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0811/Tense_moments_at_Common_Purpose_meet.html
Tell us the deal was the best we could get. Tell us that the Republicans held us hostage and we had no choice. Tell us all of that. But please, stop acting like this was a good deal.
BooMan writes:
Who is complaining about the insults? There may be a few, but the overwhelming complaint is about the policies being advanced by the White House. Focusing on insults is a misdirection from the fundamental issues, which I’ve been seeing a lot here recently.
I think what the Democratic establishment could do is use some of our arguments. The blogosphere came about in part to counter the right wing noise machine. Essentially to create the sense that an opposing viewpoint exists and make sure people have heard it. We are at an extreme disadvantage to the right because we have only this, and not the advantage of FOX News, or the representation on the Sunday shows that the right gets. But we do produce good rhetoric, good argumentation. If Democratic officeholders, especially influential ones, would just USE THOSE ARGUMENTS, we would be taken more seriously by the media in general and have more sway over the cultural dialogue because of it.
I understand that you’re pissed at lefties who are immature, impatient, and seem to have little respect for the political realities that a sitting POTUS faces. You’re right, many people have all of those characteristics. But that does not change the fact that the leadership of the Democratic Party is swinging from the right these days, and is particularly uninterested in liberal argumentation or policy. (I completely except Nancy Pelosi from this, she has been wonderful.)
Not all of this falls on Obama. We need more Senators to step up, too. But when liberal Senators speak up, they get the slap, and then the ones on the far right of the party are treated like VIPs. This sends a very clear message to lots and lots of people.
I am losing faith in this process right now. I’ve been a solid party Democrat my whole life. My whole extended family is. My grandparents are/were intelligent, white-collar FDR Democrats. I believe in politics and horse trading and elections and marginal progress on key issues. I am a part of the bedrock of the Democratic Party but I am seriously beginning to see this as a shadow play for the hoi polloi when the real action is all done for the exclusive benefit of the extreme rich. And no Democrat that matters seems to share my concern.
Tell me again how I’m supposed to canvass people into voting for Democrats? Because I’m good at it. I’ve done it for years. But I’m not being given much to work with, and that’s not because people on the left are whiny.
Today Thom Hartmann described a resource that the Tea Party has been using to take over the Republican Party. That resource is the Concord Project and it’s 1-2-3-GOTV page.
Read. Listen. Learn. Just subsitute “Republican” with “Democrat” or whatever party you are interested in. The grassroots are there for the taking. Just expect a fight from the establishment a welcomes from the few progressives already there.
The moral: Bring ten people with you. Every meeting you go to.
Oh man you are churning them out big time. AWESOME.
Also via Drum:
That’s Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, and if you believe him, Obama’s liberal critics were right: Republicans were never going to let the country default. Obama should have called their bluff and demanded a clean vote on the debt ceiling. If he had he would have come out politically stronger, his base motivated instead of demoralized and put Democrats and himself in a better position for the 2012 elections.
Booman has been lecturing us on this for a while now, telling us we have to accept reality and do the responsible thing. But Republicans are going to keep taking hostages until they’re called on it. The question is how much liberals will pay before Obama figures that out.
You don’t get it. The Republicans don’t care.
The would destroy this country to get Obama to fail and they want the ACA gone. These are the same types that have been wanting to get rid of the New Deal.
If you think they wouldn’t have let the country default, you are wrong.
Democrats keep losing these fights because they’ve convinced themselves that Republicans don’t care.
Republicans do care. They want power. They want to make sure that the rich and powerful friends stay rich and powerful and they want to be rich and powerful themselves. It’s pretty hard to do any of that if they pull the trigger on the American economy.
But as long as they can convince Democrats that they’re crazy, they don’t have to.
Someone threw a billion dollar short on the US economy a few days before the deal was struck.
The people the republicans work for don’t care. If they have an ear in he negotiations they can profit no matter what.
The republicans do not care. Period
If they “do not care, period”, why did they finally vote to extend the debt ceiling?
One reason, because they were getting crucified in the Press. Bill freaking O’Reilly was ranting at them, Sam Stien came on Fox to talk about how their economic theory was bullshit and their base of old people on social security was getting ready to burn down their down halls if they didn’t get their SS checks.
But the fact is Eric Cantor is known to have invested in another bond which shorted the US economy and he was one of the GOP negotiators. What does that tell you.
Exactly. The Republicans do care. They didn’t want town halls filled with old people furious that their SS checks had been held up. They didn’t want Bill O’Reilly ranting at them. They didn’t want their donors shutting off their campaign funds.
The Koch brothers and the Waltons and their Wall Street backers told them they could play their little hostage game to see how much they could squeeze out of Obama, but they’d better damn well not pull the trigger.
Republicans were bluffing. That’s what McConnell is telling you above. That’s what Boehner was telling Wall Street when they summoned him in to meetings about the debt ceiling negotiations. This wasn’t a secret, it was being reported for months, for example here: http://www.businessinsider.com/john-boehner-debt-ceiling-wall-street-new-york-2011-5
and here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-09/boehner-must-reassure-markets-that-debt-ceiling-will-be-rai
sed.html
Republicans were always going to raise the debt limit. Obama should have known that. Knowing that, he would have realized he had the trump card. Instead, he got played. The result is that the economy is going to take another hit and Republicans have guaranteed that they will continue to play this game as long as it works. Stop complaining about Peter Daou and Robert Reich and the FDL crowd and tell Obama to figure out how to win the next round.
Unfortunately, that’s not the case.
John Boehner lost control of his caucus. There was never anything to worry about from Mitch McConnell. He was a bystander. No one is more pissed about Rand Paul being a senator than Mitch McConnell. But Boehner has more than 60 Rand Pauls running around. Boehner barely got his caucus to vote for the debt increase. And he wasn’t exactly a maestro.
174 Republicans voted for the debt limit increase. That’s over 70% of Boehner’s caucus, not ‘barely’. 91 Republicans voted for the TARP bill in 2008, which gives you a sense for the number unwilling to allow a fiscal collapse and the $700 billion bank bailout was much more controversial. Only 26 Republicans would have needed to vote for a clean debt limit increase, because Democrats would have voted unanimously for it.
If Republicans had started hearing from angry retirees or campaign donors, they’d have fallen in line fast. The debt limit was always going to be increased. It was just a matter of how.
Pelosi insisted that 170 republicans voted for the deal; so they would own it. She didn’t want them pretending to Lord Limbaugh that it was all he dems fault.
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Not to my surprise, in his own words at a sponsor dinner in Chicago …
See my diaries:- Politics Is About Perception
- Fair Taxation?
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Might have been better if the WH ever tried something though. I mean now the GOP is holding pro-forma sessions to block RECESS APPOINTMENTS. The Dems would never have thought of that.
The opposition is just smarter than we are.
Orly:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0208/Democrats_set_pro_forma_sessions_to_avoid_special_sessio
n_on_FISA.html
The Dems did think of that. They ran that trick at the end of the Bush administration.
For example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/washington/21recess.html
Then I hope they don’t lose that creative spirit.
“The reason Obama didn’t run on single-payer is that no one would have taken him seriously and he wouldn’t have won the nomination.”
We’re not talking about the campaign. The comment was that he could have made it the opening position on healthcare reform. Who cares what he campaigned on? I don’t know, Boo — you’re twisting really hard ignore the essence of the problem some of us (including you, some of the time) have with Obama. You’re absolutely right that he doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for what he’s accomplished. Daou’s attack re gay rights is ridiculous enough to call his perception into question. So is his need to blame the whole problem on the establishment.
The reality is that the activist base is way too dependent on the establishment. The teabaggers stared with an ideology, and agenda of sorts — insane, magical thinking, but a core set of principles that they could sell, and did in elections around the country. What do we have? Where’s the agenda we can rally around? Where are the activist leaders with a philosophy that we can transform into an agenda? Even the best thinkers on our side are more critics than builders. So yeah, it’s a two way street. We have an ineffectual base that can’t even have a media outlet to call its own, and an administration and Congress that seem to have no passion for anything but greeting-card platitudes about getting along, and one nation, and bipartisanship. How much losing does it take to give up on the loser ideas?
This whining about how the Reps have the winning hand because they control the House and have a veto in the Senate is growing really, really tiresome. They wouldn’t have that veto if the Dems had reformed the filibuster when they had the chance — you know, after the Reps openly announced that their overriding goal for this Congress was to make Obama a one-term president. I don’t recall the hint of a suggestion that Obama lifted a finger to zap the filibuster. It might have made the difference if he had.
Bottom line is not what Obama does, but what he says. He can’t seem to open his mouth without reinforcing another wingnut meme about “Washington” being the real cause of our problems, but not anyone in particular. Now there’s a great reason for wingnuts to get out and vote against “Washington” and for Dems to not bother. I guess, Boo, that you’re still waiting for that Kabuki to do its magic?
No, Dave. I somewhat fatalistic. I’ve done the analysis. We’re screwed through at least 2014. We need Obama to be president, but we shouldn’t expect much legislative achievement from him (not his fault) and we should expect persistent high unemployment (also not his fault).
He will still be achieving things in foreign affairs and through rule-writing and executive orders. He’ll still be slowly filling up vacancies on the courts.
But the change will be slow, and the hope almost imperceptible.
We have a virus in this country, and there is no known cure for it.
You might be willing to absolve Obama of blame on the economy but that’s now the middle will see it. The Democrats had strong majorities for at least a little while during his first 4 years. They went weak on taking the necessary steps to fix the economy and the banking sector. The people Obama surrounded himself with are as at fault as the corporate Democrats in Congress. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in the past, but no more. He’s had a quite a few own goals.
Hmm. ‘not how’ became now.
Maybe he did have some ‘own goals.’ So what? No one is perfect. How productive is it to harp on them?
“No one is perfect.” ?
Perfect? Perfect? Not perfect? How about “better than utterly, hopelessly, inept” ?
Is there anyone available better than that–“better than utterly, hopelessly, inept” ? No?
How “productive” is it to live in battered-wife-syndrom denial? How productive is it to fail to grasp the truth about who is with us and who is against us, about what avenues have failed and what avenues haven’t even been given a chance?
Recently, in a speech at a Maryland university, Obama was heard to admit that he’d been so busy focused on his agenda that he’d forgotten that part of his job was to explain his views and plans and intentions to the American people. In searching for that quote to cite it, I found a nearly identical quote of a remark made by him, but recognized after the fact that it related not to the recent speech in Maryland but, instead, to a review of his first year in office.
Now, here, about 18 months later, it appears that Obama has forgotten that he’d already “forgot to explain things” to the American people.
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Is that a bruise around your eye?
No. It’s nothing. I think I opened a cabinet door without paying attention, maybe got a little bruise.
But your lip is swollen, too.
Oh, that. Well, you know— say, aren’t you being the picky one. What’s the big deal about a little swollen lip? Didn’t you ever have a swollen lip. It’s nothing.
I heard what sounded like yelling last night.
Last night? It must’ve been the movie on television.
Oh, what movie did you see?
Hmmm. Just now I can’t call the name of it. How about that?! My memory?!
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You are devoted to making lame excuses (“Nobody’s perfect”) for a guy whose most conspicuous talent is his repeatedly coming out of negotiations having given his opponents more than they ever expected or even asked for–a guy who begins by taking it for granted that his case can’t prevail and that he has no alternative but to hand over more than the opposition is demanding.
We need Obama to be president, but we shouldn’t expect much legislative achievement from him (not his fault) and we should expect persistent high unemployment (also not his fault).
And how is that supposed to get anyone to the polls?
It’s a problem. I am trying to spell out the problem so people like you will understand why it’s essential to not only go to the polls but to drag a couple hundred people there with you.
Don’t be condescending. Any liberal who is bothering to comment on a political blog is going to the polls to vote for Obama in November 2012. They undoubtedly went last November as well, but that didn’t stop the Democratic massacre.
If you’re telling people that Democrats can’t function until 2014, you might as well tell them to sit out the next election, because that’s just pathetic. If you can’t see a path forward, the average voter won’t either. Too many Democratic voters will stay home, because they’ll be convinced that it doesn’t matter. Obama will lose and Democrats will lose the Senate. Republicans will tear up the health care bill before it even gets started and then start in on what’s left of the the New Deal. Democrats need to prove that they’re willing to fight for something. They need to stop making excuses for failure. They need to stop telling everyone that they can’t function without 60+ real Democrats in the Senate. And they need to stop forcing their own members to take humiliating votes in favor of bills that the party hates.
“Any liberal who is bothering to comment on a political blog is going to the polls to vote for Obama in November 2012. They undoubtedly went last November as well, but that didn’t stop the Democratic massacre.”
Sorry. Wrong.
I largely “got it” back in November, 2008, that Obama was a conventional politician and bound to disappoint; though in truth, I never dreamed he could actually be as bad as he’s turned out in fact to be. He’s showed himself to be virtually indistinguishable from the run-of-the-mill Blue-Dog DLC crowd that gave us the latent disasters under B. Clinton, (and, yes to those who counter that Hillary would have been no better–you’re right, she wouldn’t have been any better. So?)
So, I did not vote for Obama in 2008 and God knows I’ll certainly never vote for him in any race to come. So, for what it’s worth, it’s not true that “Any liberal who is bothering to comment on a political blog is going to the polls to vote for Obama in November 2012”.
Obama is worthless. In leaving him hanging out to dry in 2012 the real Left “loses” nothing, since, with Obama, it had nothing in the first place. When that cardinal lesson is grasped, the DLC can be treated as it deserves to be: no less inimical to democracy’s interests than are the present-day crowd contolling the Republicans.
Gee. What’s the virus? Have the Republicans got it, too? If so, why are they able to control not just their party but (ahem) “Obama’s” party, too?
And, say, about our being “screwed through at least 2014”, apparently you’re dead-set against doing any critical work on clarifying how that happened unless it contains no “harping” on what has been happening for eleven and a half years. In addition, if your view is correct, and we’re screwed through at least 2014 then why not just fight like hell between now and then, hmmm? If, as you apparently believe, we’re screwed no matter what we do, why not then start to really fight–as though it really mattered, as though people’s lives depended on it–BECAUSE THEY DO and, at this point, there’s precious little left to lose: people are broke, jobless and their homes have been repossessed in a massive and criminal financial fraud and con job–perpetrated by the people who give the orders which Obama takes the most seriously.
P.S. : You left as an unexplained assumption that, “We need Obama to be president.”
Why? Why do we need Obama to be president? So he can continue to give Right Wing extremists their dreams-come-true and, all the while, make it look as though the resulting social and economic horrors are the fault of ‘liberals’? For that we need Obama?
Why not make the neo-cons do their own dirty work and bear the blame and responsibility for it? Is that one too deep and sophisticated for you or Obama?
OMG! Thank you so much for your posts. I’m so sick of these muddled “adults” telling me to clap louder and faster and that it’s my fault that Obama’s legacy will be essentially similar in many respects to GWB’s. I know that statement will rankle the diehards and deadenders. “What about Lily Ledbetter and bin Laden?” they’ll whine.
For each and every legislative (second- and third tier) accomplishment we get another codification of right-wing orthodoxy in the way of wealthy tax cuts, tax increases on everyone else (check the fine print!) and more wars from this Peace Prize laureate.
Obama’s 2012 campaign will be a sure sight to see. It’s gonna be so tragic. Can’t wait to see the unveiling of the new slogan: “Whaddayagonnadu?”
I never understood most of the complaints hurled at this president.
As for the stimulus being too small, we had at best 57 functioning Democrats. Specter hadn’t flipped yet, Franken hadn’t been seated yet, and Kennedy was dying and couldn’t make all but one of the cloture votes.
The fact that Obama was able to hold all 57 Democrats and pull THREE Republicans to pass a nearly trillion dollar stimulus bill with almost half a trillion in spending was a miracle. Not only do I not blame Obama for the stimulus being too small it’s only BECAUSE of Obama that we had ANY stimulus bill.
Complaining about extending the Bush tax cuts is just bizarre. Obama passed the “New Start Treaty, the 9/11 Zadroga Health Care Bill, got unemployment benefits extended, got a complete overhaul of our food safety laws, AND repealed “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”.
But according to the left the “Liberal” position should have been to say the hell with all that and instead fight to raise the top marginal income tax rate from 35 to 39 %. Yeah, I don’t understand that logic either.
As for Gitmo. Who the hell has had his back on this? Russ friggin Feingold voted with the Republicans to not give Obama the funding and support he needed to do this, and somehow it’s Obama’s fault?
And as for health care, we now have defined as the default setting for the country that it is the responsibility of the government to get you health care if you can’t get it yourself and it sets aside nearly 400 billion per year in subsidies to do this. He did this with a 60 vote requirement in the Senate.
If Obama is horrible for not being able to get a public option then what the hell does that say about FDR and LBJ. Neither got comprehensive reform.
FDR at one point had 322 seats in the House and 70 of 96 seats in the Senate and NEVER even attempted health care reform. I’m pissed at FDR for not getting it.
And let’s not forget his wonderful Social Security Act, that openly discriminated against blacks and Hispanics (nothing for Domestic and Agricultural Workers), didn’t cover the self-employed, government employees, railroad employees, federal employees, employees of non-profits or clergy. I think about three people were covered under the original act.
It also had no benefits for survivors or their dependants, no cost of living adjustment, and nothing for the disabled.
As for LBJ he had about two thirds of congress, and didn’t have to worry about filibusters, and NEVER even attempted full single payer or comprehensive reform.
Instead he passed Medicaid for the poor, BUT IT DID NOT COVER ADULTS. Only children and their care-givers. And even today, the NEW and IMPROVED Medicaid doesn’t really cover adults as if you make over 700 dollars per month and are single, you’re too rich to qualify for Medicaid.
And the original Medicare didn’t cover the cost of medicine, home health services or give any benefits if you became disabled.
Obama got a form of Comprehensive Health Care Reform through with a 60 vote requirement. By all rights this should not be the law right now. It’s a miracle he pulled it off.
Finally this non sense about Obama not making the case for a progressive/Liberal form of government, what does that better than saying it’s the governments role to get you health care if you can’t get it yourself?
But even if you mean he doesn’t do it rhetorically, this is just non sense. HE DOES IT IN ALMOST EVERY SPEECH HE GIVES. Here’s just one example:
“[T]here has always been another thread running through our history — a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation. We believe, in the words of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, that through government, we should do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves. And so we’ve built a strong military to keep us secure, and public schools and universities to educate our citizens. We’ve laid down railroads and highways to facilitate travel and commerce. We’ve supported the work of scientists and researchers whose discoveries have saved lives, unleashed repeated technological revolutions, and led to countless new jobs and entire new industries. Each of us has benefited from these investments, and we are a more prosperous country as a result.
“Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security and dignity. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff, may strike any one of us. ‘There but for the grace of God go I,’ we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities. We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further — we would not be a great country without those commitments. […]
“The America I know is generous and compassionate; a land of opportunity and optimism. We take responsibility for ourselves and each other; for the country we want and the future we share. We are the nation that built a railroad across a continent and brought light to communities shrouded in darkness. We sent a generation to college on the GI bill and saved millions of seniors from poverty with Social Security and Medicare. We have led the world in scientific research and technological breakthroughs that have transformed millions of lives. This is who we are.”
The above is from just 2-3 months ago. If you say Obama hasn’t been making the case for Liberalism, then you just haven’t been listening.
This isn’t hard. The proportion of the Republican party that is hardline “Tea Party” in ideology is much higher than the proportion of the Democratic party that is ideologically simpatico with the “netroots.” That’s the beginning and the end of why the teabaggers are, um, gently stroked, while the netroots are treated as one constituency among many, and not as The Base.
“We know we cannot afford to lose the presidential election in 2012.”
Your “we” lost the election in 2008. Did you know that? The amazing, stupefying truth is that, in fact, you don’t understand that “we” –i.e. anyone who sincerely believes in democratic government–lost the election in 2008: Obama was elected.
As it happened–and not by accident–there was no alternative to the corporate-elite candidate in the 2008 presidential race. None. In 2012 there will be no change, no alternative candidate. No improvement, and nothing, zero, learned –if Booman is any indication.
That way, whichever way the vote went, the electoral power brokers were assured that their candidate would win. When those electoral power brokers lock up both “parties”, when they lock out from the very first, any effective alternative to your own ideological camp’s, guess what? : They win.