The issue of whether or not Palestine should push for formal United Nations’ recognition as a state is complex. In the abstract, it’s kind of a no-brainer, but when you get down to details it isn’t as clear that the effort is wise. The United States feels compelled to veto the effort even though a veto would place all Americans at risk and create a totally avoidable national security threat. The Palestinians would very much like to have a diplomatic victory over Israel and to get moving in a direction that might end the impasse we’re all experiencing in the peace negotiations. Yet, they have not succeeded in getting the Americas to go along with their plan, so their efforts will do real damage to America’s national security and standing in the world. I know it is a bit nuanced, but the likely outcome is more anti-American terror. And we saw how America’s response to terror attacks worked for the Palestinians over the last decade. There was no movement on peace and Israel had a free hand to expand settlements, invade Lebanon, and use a very heavy hand in Gaza. Terror doesn’t work. The Second Intifada and the 9/11 attacks strengthened Israeli hardliners both in Israel and in Washington DC. Additionally, isolating America diplomatically is problematic for the Palestinians. It might seem like there is no alternative, but the White House is trying to craft one.
Senior officials said the administration wanted to avoid not only a veto but also the more symbolic and potent General Assembly vote that would leave the United States and only a handful of other nations in the opposition. The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss diplomatic maneuverings, said they feared that in either case a wave of anger could sweep the Palestinian territories and the wider Arab world at a time when the region is already in tumult. President Obama would be put in the position of threatening to veto recognition of the aspirations of most Palestinians or risk alienating Israel and its political supporters in the United States.
“If you put the alternative out there, then you’ve suddenly just changed the circumstances and changed the dynamic,” a senior administration official involved in the flurry of diplomacy said Thursday. “And that’s what we’re trying very much to do.”
There is momentum behind Palestine’s drive for recognition, and their effort probably cannot be stopped. Yet, a failed recognition-drive that arouses anti-American terrorism and isolates America diplomatically, puts the Palestinians’ interests at risk, too. They should keep their ears open up to the last moment.
In essence, the administration is trying to translate the broad principles Mr. Obama outlined in May into a concrete road map for talks that would succeed where past efforts have failed: satisfy Israel, give the Palestinians an alternative to going to the United Nations and win the endorsement of the Europeans.
Diplomats are laboring to formulate language that would bridge stubborn differences over how to treat Jewish settlements in the West Bank, and over Israel’s demand for recognition of its status as a Jewish state. A statement by the Quartet would be more than a symbolic gesture. It would outline a series of meetings and actions to resume talks to create a Palestinian state.
The Quartet’s members are divided over the proposal’s terms and continue to negotiate them among themselves, and with the Palestinians and Israelis.
In other words, the international community recognizes that a vetoed vote to recognize Palestine isn’t going to make things better and is looking for any alternative. The problem is, of course, that the only alternative is a plausible road map to peace, and no one can provide one.
Get ready for the Ugly.
Israel doesn’t support a Palestinian state. America doesn’t either. This is going to end violently whether they do this or not.
Doing whatever Israel and America say hasn’t worked for them yet; why should they listen to two entities that do not care about them?
As the West Wing pointed out, it’s a sad state of affairs in ironic twists of fate:
Kate: The tragedy is that the Palestinians and the Jews are so much alike.
Charlie: How’s that?
Kate: All through history no one’s wanted either of them.
Although Israeli/Zionist
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Jew, it’s still true.Nothing will work other than a single, secular state.
I don’t think they should ‘listen’ to America and Israel in the sense of just dropping their bid for recognition. They should trade it for something of value. The problem is creating something of value that is truly enticing.
That’s my point!
“Trading it for something of value” is like “trading something for something of value that’s not tax cuts for the rich” with the Republicans: pointless.
Israel. Is. Not. Interested. No government is. Changing their government will change nothing. Have you seen the polling of their citizens? They’re all just as responsible. Accept it. Israel — both the government and the citizens writ large — do not want peace. Never have, never will.
We have no one but ourselves to blame for this. Our support for Israel, no matter what they do, is out undoing here. Has anyone been paying attention the past year? Shared prosperity greatly lessens the reasons people will take to the streets clamoring about pitchforks and torches. That goes for all over the world. It’s why the Gaza Blockade is as dumb as they come. And I know that suicide bombers don’t always come from poor families but giving people a decent life would lessen that possibility.
I disagree.
We have plenty of people to blame for this besides ourselves.
Who,please?
The British? The French? Jordan?
No – it’s Americans. Democrats & Republicans going back to the 1950’s at least.
Wake up & smell the shit. It’s all over our shoes.
The Israelis have a huge opportunity here, in my view. If instead of panicking and screaming bloody murder they simply allow the recognition to take place, keep quiet while the US abstains, and then try to restart some new talks, they look like the adults in the room.
They had this same opportunity with the flotillas, though – they could have simply inspected the boats and magnanimously allowed them to pass – but they shot themselves in the foot instead. They literally passed up what would certainly have been the biggest PR victory in modern Israeli history. If the govt there continues to be so entirely blind to the long term best interests of its own people, it’s hard to see them handling the recognition issue in anything but the worst possible way. They need a change in government. There’s no other way forward.
I would also say this – at this point, if the Palestinians were to stop their drive for recognition out of some sort of “deal”, they would be in huge trouble with their own population, just like arab regimes all over the region. Palestinians don’t trust the quartet or any other mechanism at this point. The west needs to wake up and realize this is going to happen, and make the best of it.
The current Israeli government is not interested in any deal that would be acceptable to the Palestinians. And they certainly aren’t going to let America off the hook without getting massive concessions in return. In truth, they ought to be seeking some concessions in return for UN recognition for Palestine. Instead, they’re relying on us to take the hit for them. And we’ll do it because we are steadfast friends of Israel. I wish they treated us better.
Haha! And what do you call the enabler? Because we let them treat us like shit.
Yes, we do. It is a very unappreciated fact that Israel does not treat us with the kindness we willingly confer to them. We make tremendous sacrifices and take enormous risks for their benefit, and they are unwilling to do the same for our benefit.
You’re being a total imperialist. And a bit of a reactionary, with this terror scare bullshit. “If you don’t bail us out, the terrorists will get us!” Which terrorists exactly? The ones in Yemen? Are they gonna find another Nigerian kid to put a bomb in his pants?
The United States is an obstacle to the Palestininan state. So is Israel. So is Hamas. So is Iran and Hezbollah. Fact.
You may want to protect the US from humiliation, but the West Bank crew surely doesn’t. Israel just burned its bridge with Turkey. The west is tied up in all sorts of rhetorical knots on the Arab Spring. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis are protesting their government over economic issues. It’s a ripe opportunity to upset the playing field.
Look on the bright side. If Palestine is recognized we will have another Arab state to invade!
OK, this makes me think of something that I heard for years when I was a young 20-something Conservative, and then I heard Bill Maher bring it up when he was interviewing Queen Noor. I would love to hear some responses, because I have yet to hear anything. The question I want to know is, when Jordan controlled Palestine, why didn’t they set up a Palestinian homeland? If it is so important, and I believe it is, for Palestinians to control their own destiny as a recognized state, why didn’t Jordan do it when they controlled the land, and where do they get off advocating for it now? I know this isn’t PC, but I’m not asking antagonistically, I am serious looking for some thoughtful responses.
Alternately, should Palestine make the argument that it is a de facto part of Israel, an area where the sovereign use of force and the status of civil society is under Israeli control and therefore Palestine should be recognized as a de jure part of Israel?
Given the demographics of the region, this could have interesting consequences.
Booman – so glad to see this post! I almost left a comment in another thread last week, asking for exactly this, because it’s been in the back of my mind since TarheelDem shared his thoughts on this a few months ago.
Paging Tarheel Dem. Your insight requested here in aisle 2.