A moderate third-party presidential candidate would be a terribly stupid idea and it seems almost beneath E.J. Dionne to waste his time responding to it. The point Dionne fails to make, however, is that President Obama is already a moderate candidate. In fact, any president who is primarily focused on passing legislation (as opposed to starting foreign wars and gutting regulation) is going to be a moderate. This is a poorly understood fact.
To see why this is the case, we can simply look at the U.S. Senate during Obama’s first two years in office. The president’s party had nominal control of between 56 and 60 seats (depending on the time period and health of the senators). Because the Senate now requires 60 votes to pass anything remotely contentious, the president couldn’t pass anything that didn’t have the support of every single Democrat and (for most of those two years) at least a small handful of Republicans. What this meant was that the most conservative (or moderate or centrist) Democrats had effective veto power over bills and amendments to bills. In most cases, the most progressive (or moderate or centrist) Republicans also had effective veto power. In other words, if Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe didn’t like a provision, it wasn’t going to be included in the bill. And if they didn’t like the bill, it wasn’t going to pass.
The president’s ability to move this centrist coalition to the left was limited. One limitation was created by Mitch McConnell’s strategy of total obstruction. He put enormous pressure on the centrist Republicans not to play ball. And that took away the cover that centrist Democrats like to have when they vote with the party on contentious issues. If Ben Nelson can’t find a couple of Republicans supporting a bill, he pretty much wets his pants. At times, Joe Lieberman appeared to be changing his positions for no other reason than to anger liberals. With dynamics like that, it’s kind of hard to push through liberal legislation.
McConnell’s total obstruction strategy forced Obama farther to the middle, but to a large degree all presidents are forced to work with the middle. Even FDR and LBJ’s huge supermajorities were a little misleading, as they were based on the Democrats’ strength in the conservative South. But those majorities were sufficiently large to create significant liberal legislation.
Ask yourself how the Dodd-Frank bill might have turned out if there had been 70 or 80 Democratic senators. How would the health care bill have turned out under those circumstances? What would we be doing about housing in that alternate reality? Would Gitmo be closed?
Presidential candidates make a lot of promises, but their ability to keep those promises is based on their ability to convince 60% of the U.S. Senate to go along with their agenda. And that guarantees that most presidents will pursue fairly centrist legislative agendas, or they will fail.
George W. Bush didn’t sign a whole lot of legislation. He got his tax cuts (under reconciliation rules, with Dick Cheney casting the tie-breaking vote both times) and his education, Medicare Part D, and Bankruptcy Reform bills, and he was pretty much done. When he tried to push something radical (privatizing Social Security), he got absolutely nowhere.
It’s true that a president can have some far right or far left personal beliefs, but they can’t translate the beliefs into action in the legislative field. If you want really progressive or really conservative outcomes, you need to win a very large supermajority in the Senate and have a president willing to take advantage of that supermajority. Without that kind of power in the Senate, all presidents will produce fairly centrist legislative records.
It still matters where the president stands. It’s especially important when the president’s party loses total control of Congress, because a president might be tempted to start signing the opposing party’s bills and try to take credit for them.
It’s one thing to make tough compromises that water down what you want to do. It’s another to embrace the other party’s agenda and then call it your own.
Can we know how powerful a person is unless that person goes all in, 100% for something, and fails?
I’m not sure if GWB went 100% for privatizing Social Security. If so, I’d say that’s a good example of the limits of presidential power. The Bush administration -did- go 100% after an invasion of Iraq (as per your exception, above). FDR did, I guess, when he threatened court-packing. But recently? I dunno.
But my question is this. BooMan says, “Mitch McConnell … put enormous pressure on the centrist Republicans not to play ball.”
Why was it easier or more effective for McConnell to exert that level of pressure than for Reid and the White House? Different rules about chairing committees? McConnell had more power over R Senators that Reid and the White House had over Ds? What’s the institutional bottleneck that prevents Dem leadership from wielding that sort of pressure?
It’s hard to answer that question with any kind of brevity. And I have a son who needs to go down for a nap.
But here are a few factors to consider.
Obama became president at a bad time in the Senate-cycle.
The Dems had knocked off almost all the vulnerable Republican senators in the previous two election cycles and some of those who survived had just won six-year terms, making them less concerned about reelection.
It was very hard to scare Republican senators under the circumstances. At a different point in the cycle (say, 2005-06) there would have been many more Republican defections.
Another problem was the rise of the Tea Party and the success of tea party candidates both in knocking off incumbents (Bob Bennett, Lisa Murkowski) and in knocking off the RNSC’s preferred candidates (Delaware, Nevada, Colorado).
With that much pressure coming from the right, the president couldn’t put fear in anyone.
So, some of it was more cyclical than systemic.
But, then, McConnell could also issue threats and offer rewards to his members that were not available to the Harry Reid or the president.
Finally, money is a very important factor, and most of the money in the system was put there to thwart the president. The Citizens United ruling is only making this worse. The Democrats can’t match that money if they lose all access to it, and that forces them to play footsie with the banksters, the president included.
But, then, McConnell could also issue threats and offer rewards to his members that were not available to the Harry Reid or the president.
You mean the money the DNC spent on puff-piece Ben Nelson ads in Nebraska after the Cornhusker Kickback? You do realize your kicking the President, don’t you? Why? Because he came directly from the Senate. Is the Senate a problem? Sure it is. Just don’t try to lay all the blame there because there is plenty of blame to go around.
your comment is confusing.
Ben Nelson was paid handsomely for his vote on health care. Isn’t that the kind of arm-twisting and deal-making that you are always calling for?
When has the stick ever been used? That’s never been used, unless against people of the left. When is the stick ever used against HolyJoe, Ben Nelson or Blanche Lincoln? It brings me back to a story I once heard about Walter O’Malley(remember him?). For those that don’t know, O’Malley used to own the Dodgers baseball team. He was the guy who moved them to LA from Brooklyn. Anyway, he used to compile dossiers on his ballplayers, fellow owners, politicians, you name it. Those dossiers included everything that could possibly be known about them. For instance, how his fellow owners came into their money. Basically, O’Malley wasn’t a natural politician, but he used all this information to his maximum advantage. He basically knew all the pressure points of each player, fellow owner and most politicians he dealt with. And I sometimes wonder politicians today use those kind of tactics to get their way. After all, we know how politics is war by other means, or close enough.
So.
Booman.
Obama is a centrist, eh?
He has no choice in the matter?
Does “centrism” include drone strikes that regularly kill and maim thousands of civilians? Does it include illegal assassinations and the absolutely impenetrable intrigues that surround the Middle Eastern/North African/Western Asian near-World War in which we are presently engaged? Does it include mechanizing and technologizing Blood for Oil wars in an attempt to get the American people to rally behind them? Does it include being complicit in the building of a surveillance and control apparatus that has never been rivaled in the history of the human race?
Yeah. Right.
If it does include those things…give me liberty or give me death.
For real.
But don’t try to give me that ol’ “centrism” Trojan horse.
Please.
Been there. Watched that movie already.
A couple of times.
Bet on it.
AG
If you want to have a serious conversation about U.S. foreign policy and the president, start by using reliable facts.
Drone attacks are not “regularly” killing and maiming “thousands” of “civilians.” In truth, all of the drone attacks combined have only killed 300 civilians in seven years. The regular USAF probably accomplishes that every year in Afghanistan, although you probably won’t find a study on it.
The primary purpose of the drone is specifically to avoid killing civilians. Ten years ago, we dropped 500 lb. bombs and let God sort ’em out.
That’s what Robert Gates wanted to do to bin-Laden. Obama chose a much riskier strategy that didn’t risk killing a bunch of civilians.
As for the idea that these drone strikes violate Pakistan’s sovereignty, you might notice that they are currently asking us to vacate our drone base which is and has been located in their country. They gave us a base to fly the drones. It’s not a violation of their sovereignty.
I’m not arguing the the drone strikes are unproblematic. However, the government now estimates that al-Qaeda has been whittled down to two functional leaders. Their sanctuary turned out to be a pigeon-shoot.
So, let’s not act like Obama is acting like some kind of monster by using drones. I’m much more concerned about the ongoing nightmare in Afghanistan. But, at least Obama seems serious about winding that conflict down on schedule.
As for the surveillance state, I agree that our civil liberties continue to suffer at an expanding pace, and Obama must take the blame for that. But he’s hardly pursuing a radical position. The number of congresspeople willing to argue against it is depressingly small. Moreover, we enjoy vastly better civil liberties than our European cousins.
I don’t know what you’re referring to with your blood-for-oil reference, but if you’re talking about Libya, that wasn’t a radical position. It was endorsed by the UN and the Arab League. And I opposed it.
Awww man…
You still accept the “facts” from a system that has been proven to be false literally thousands of times?
I don’t.
Not anymore I don’t.
The “New America Foundation?”
I mean…all you have to do is look at their funding page to know which side of the PermaGov butters their bread.
Rockefeller? The vicious robber baron? His son, the the butcher of Attica and Venezuela?
Ford? The rabid anti-Semite, pro-Hitler white supremacist?
Please.
The foundational apples do not fall far from the originating trees.
Ever.
The blood of millions is on our hands already. This vicious foolishness has to stop.
There is only one anti-war candidate running for president, and that is Ron Paul. You refuse to acknowledge him or give him any respect whatsoever. In fact you write little squibs that accuse him of being a racist, tin hat-wearing fool.
Following are a few quotes from him regarding our ongoing warlike ways and their terrible consequences both for others and for our own country as well.
Read them and weep. Read them and then repudiate your candidate. Or…admit that you are a hawk, as is Barack Obama. A PermaGov-backed hawk, promoting a kinder, gentler form of war. The drones are the U.S. equivalent of Hitler’s V2s. They create terror. Sudden, unexpected and fiery death from above. Shame on you all. At long last…after decades of American-backed terror in all forms…at long last, have you no shame?
At long last…wake the fuck up!!!
AG
Another view from Foreign Policy:
Are you tiring of writing and repackaging the same reflexive Obama apology each and every day? You’ve remixed the above post at least twice weekly since 2009. The record is broken and the choir has gone home.
Evidently, you never tire of reading it.
All political commentary that doesn’t take into account the limitations placed on the president by the Senate is bad political commentary.
And evidently, you’d be 100% wrong.
Today is the first time I visited this site in about two months. Lo and behold, what do I return to: recycled pablum about how powerless Obama is and what a martyr we should make of him.
Vote Obama!
We get it already!
But what happens after Obama? I have a distinct feeling that that really doesn’t matter to you or the other Democtratic Party apparatchiks and panjandrums.
“What happens after Obama?”
What does that even mean? The implication from the tenor of your own comments indicates that you certainly don’t care what happens after President Obama because anyone who defends him is only offering up apologetic pablum, ergo, so what if he loses because he’s not worth defending, ergo, so what if a Republican wins in 2012 with a GOP House and GOP Senate. If he’s not worth defending now and that’s something you just can’t stomach, it’s not much of a leap to suggest that you could care less if Republicans win the triple crown next year.
I’m not sure at what point leftists such as yourself (I refuse to call folks of your ideological bent liberals or progressives) get that politics is not a zero-sum game or exhibit even a cursory understanding of basic US civics and political history. I’m not sure at what point you figure out that your hyperbolic, sanctimonious posturing is counter-productive to the very political goals you want to attain, or how your words belie the notion that you are anything more than a self-defeating leftist who would sooner shoot himself/herself in the own foot in the name of wallowing in self-pitying, ideological persecution complex.
Leftists like yourself don’t want to win. Your default ideological position is to see failure everywhere and always. Tod declare even a modest political victory would deny you the self-importance and self-empowerment you derive from being smug, know-it-all ideologues. And as much as you chastise others for turning the President into a political martyr, right back at ya, bub, for making him the fulcrum for all the blame. Even after we on the left basically handed the Republicans the House in 2010; you still want to blame him for everything. It’s beyond pathetic.
Ok, Rush.
What is a “leftist” to you? I don’t find the term as pejorative as you seem to wish it were.
Unfortunately, your first paragraph is spot-on!
To be brief: I couldn’t give a fuck less anymore. Votes don’t matter now, if they ever did. The Republicans essentially have the Triple Crown right now. (It’s what Boo implies when he writes that Obama cannot blow his nose without Senate permission.) The only difference between the parties is that one is passively cheering the destruction of our nation on the corporate altar and the other is aggressive. So, I’m supposed to stand up and cheer the lesser of two evils? I guess, if I’m supposed to….
Fuck that! I ain’t! And I won’t. Sorry. Call me an iconoclast, I guess. Or just call me stupid, if it makes you feel superior. It doesn’t matter to me, as I’m not trying to join your Club for “Reasonability”.
But you’ll sit and call me uneducated or unrefined or whatever snide put-down you can muster.
We have a supply-side, trickle-down “D” in office giving lip service to young people and all that jazz but is still on the side of oligarchy. The youth (you know, those hippie protesters) don’t believe a word he says any longer. Why is that? They’re purists leftists?!
This good-cop/bad-cop routine is very old and I will no longer have any of it, sir.
I’m extreme in my belief. Yes. I will never believe that compromising with the Devil is what the doctor ordered. That’s merely what I call craven opportunism.
Just my opinion and I have a right to believe and express it.
whoa there willie!
if you honestly believe this tripe:
you’re in serious denial.
what cost the democRats the house in 2010 was the milquetoast, quisling members in their own damn party, and that goes all the way to the oval office.
you can keep trying to blame the left till you’re blue in the face, but it was you and your centrist, go along to get along, don’t make any fucking waves, bipartisanshit that cost the house. obama was given a mandate to effect change, and he squandered it in his first year at the helm…granted, he had lots of help from the aforementioned… but you just keep on punching the dfh’s if it makes you feel better. because, at the end of the day, you know we were right a damn sight more often than wrong about the consequences.
you just got fucked over by your own blindness and naivete to what the 2008 elections were all about.
so who’s really “wallowing in [a] self-pitying, ideological persecution complex”, and indulging in “hyperbolic, sanctimonious posturing” here?
l would posit it is you.
grow up and try to get over it.
For 2012, then: can Senate Democrats take Arizona and Texas? can they hold Missouri, Montana, and Virginia? if they do, will it change anything?
To answer your questions, with the caveat that elections are nearly a year away and anything can happen:
*Arizona – maybe
*Texas – no
*Missouri – maybe
*Montana – maybe
*Virginia – maybe
As to whether it will change anything?
If Democrats control the Senate (50 votes plus Biden if Obama wins, 51 votes if Obama loses), that’s better than Republicans controlling the Senate.
Either way, Democrats are not going to have a 60-40 (or greater) majority, so Republicans will be able to continue obstructing legislation and appointments…unless…Senate Dems push through a change to Rule 22 that weakens or eliminates the filibuster.
Of course Democrats controlling the Senate is infinitely better than the alternative. By “change” I meant would decisive Democratic victories loosen the Republicans’ obstructionist stranglehold on the place, and allow Snowe, Collins, Lugar, etc. to vote for cloture now and again?
P.S. I can’t imagine Democrats changing Rule 22; Republicans, maybe, in which case, good night and good luck.
Better add North Dakota to that list.
And who do the Democrats have to run in ND? Or are they giving that seat up?
Apparently Heidi Heitkamp, former state attorney general, is running for the seat.
Speaking of drones, Magnifico over at Eurotrib reminds us that neither our fearless leader nor the Congress is really in charge of anything at all, we just let them think they are.
From the WSJ
Read the diary. Nothing to get excited about, these are just ordinary guys killing for a living, then going home to mow the lawn.
The senate is exactly as majoritarian as the majority wants it to be.
The Democrats could and should have abolished the filibuster after the election of 2008.
They had another chance after 2010.
On some theories, they can repudiate the filibuster at any time on constitutional grounds.
They are defeated by the Republican minority only because they have handed the power to defeat them to the Republicans, time after time.
Some even theorize this is because the Democrats are only pretending to support the measures they can’t get past the filibuster.
Kabuki, you know.
Anyone who supports the filibuster is choosing to enable permanent obstruction in defense of the plutocracy party.
And many are the Democrats in and out of office who support the filibuster, including most of those loons in the senate.
But you can’t both support obstruction and then use it as an excuse for your own, self-chosen impotence.
I say again, impotence is no excuse for failure if you have castrated yourself.