I never thought I would read something from Matt Taibbi, one of the most cynical commentators out there, and consider it naive:
There’s some disturbing rhetoric flying around in the debate over the National Defense Authorization Act, which among other things contains passages that a) officially codify the already-accepted practice of indefinite detention of “terrorist” suspects, and b) transfer the responsibility for such detentions exclusively to the military.
The fact that there’s been only some muted public uproar about this provision…is mildly surprising, given what’s been going on with the Occupy movement. Protesters in fact should be keenly interested in the potential applications of this provision, which essentially gives the executive branch unlimited powers to indefinitely detain terror suspects without trial.
Taibbi then goes on to detail why the NDAA’s provisions are so problematic–the War on Terror would be extended to not just Al Qaeda and the Taliban and “associated forces,” and the government’s power to throw accused terrorists in military prisons with no due process or trial is explicitly extended to American citizens–but: really? Taibbi doesn’t understand why public response, and even the response of Occupy and Tea Party protesters, has been muted when the law could (as he notes) easily be used to target them?
It’s because, as Glenn Greenwald noted last week, none of this is new:
…as odious and definitively radical as the powers are which this bill endorses, it doesn’t actually change the status quo all that much. That’s because the Bush and Obama administrations have already successfully claimed most of the powers in the bill, and courts have largely acquiesced. To be sure, there are dangers to having Congress formally codify these powers. But a powerful sign of how degraded our political culture has become is that this bill — which in any other time would be shockingly extremist — actually fits right in with who we are as a nation and what our political institutions are already doing.
Indeed, the scenario Taibbi envisons – that people with Occupy or Tea Party-style grievances who cross the line into talking about or planning violent acts will be considered terrorists under this bill – is already happening. The line has also been crossed into targeting nonviolent protesters, too. There’s a long history now of law enforcement agencies considering nonviolent protesters as a terrorist threat (and of trying to provoke protesters into violent acts), and that appears to again be the case with the Occupies.
Local and federal law enforcement already closely work together with the post-9-11 creation of over 100 Joint Terrorism Task Forces, which have been linked, among other things, to infiltrating nonviolent protestors, peace groups, and vegan potlucks. Even the Department of Justice has questioned whether the FBI has effectively expanded its definition of terrorism to include nonviolent civil disobedience. And the Pentagon also has its own intelligence and infiltration efforts, which have included such post 9-11 lowlights as infiltrating a Quaker peace group in Florida.
While there is a long and rich history of such law enforcement and military harassment and provocation of grass roots activists, the erosion of civil liberties under the banner of counter-terrorism since 9-11 seems to have already led to the most concerted effort to target nonviolent activists since COINTELPRO. These activities have been so pervasive that the ACLU has reports of such cases in nearly 40 states.
All but the least experienced folks in the Occupy encampments are well aware of all this history, recent and not, and well aware that elements of America’s law enforcement community consider anyone exercising their First Amendment rights for political reasons to be potential or actual terrorists. It is accepted as a given, regardless of what the law or Congress actually says. For the last decade, law enforcement agencies at major protests have adapted a tactic of blatantly unconstitutional “preemptive arrests,” knowing that the jurisdictions involved will eventually have to pay out significant sums to settle the inevitable lawsuits, and accepting that as a cost of suppressing dissent. The cases get thrown out, but the point is to lock people up whether they’ve done anything illegal or not. Invariably, such arrests — part of a cluster of tactics known as the “Miami model,” after the 2003 FTAA protests in Miami — also include a concerted media effort by law enforcement and politicians to paint grass roots activists as “terrorists” or “violent demonstrators.”
Activists know that US citizens have already been held without charges in military courts on US soil due to unproven accusations of terrorism. They know that national and local law enforcement often views nonviolent protesters as potential or actual terrorists. Adding two and two isn’t such a leap. There’s actually been quite a bit of paranoia, on both the left and right, about FEMA detention centers and the like; if anything activists are too aware of the possibility that they will be whisked away simply for speaking out. But you know what they said about being paranoid – it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
This is by no means strictly a US phenomenon – for example, there was a kerfluffle this week when London police named Occupy London as a terrorist group – but the erosion of civil liberties, under both the Bush and Obama administrations, has either inspired or enabled a lot of similiar crackdowns around the world. Is it any wonder nobody’s much worked up over the NDAA provisions? Many people have been numbed by years of reflexive media coverage into think of all such DFH protesters as thugs, degenerates, or terrorists; and the protesters themselves, while trying to sound the alarm, also recognize that all the DFAA does is institutionalize what’s already going on and give it the veneer of law. Taibbi is sounding the right alarm, but several years too late. As slippery slopes go, it’s just another sliding step down the hill.
I don’t always feel this way on every issue, but on this I do. Besides, the public simply wants their civil liberties eroded; so even if their opinion wasn’t irrelevant, they’d beg for it to happen anyway. They willingly give those rights away.
Not quite. They don’t want their civil rights eroded; they want the civil rights of “bad people” eroded. They mostly don’t understand that there isn’t a distinction.
The fact that the majority of people who voted voted for Obama shows that they at least consented to his stated positions on these issues, which were vastly better than the positions he has taken in office. True, people vote for different reasons, and some may have voted for Obama wanting more competent economic management, or just wanting a black president, rather than because of his relatively decent civil liberties positions, but the considerations that count politically are those that drive votes, and Obama had a pro-civil liberty mandate.
Anyway, I would actually like to see a poll on indefinite detention without trial of US citizens arrested on US soil that did not cue a response by mentioning 9/11 or muslims.
How does the Democratic Mayor of Boston commemorate Human Rights Day?
He forcibly evicts from a public space citizens who are peaceably assembled to petition a redress of grievances.
And in his press conference, he promises to evict them anywhere they show up in the City of Boston.
What is different is that more people are becoming aware of what is going on.
And for Matt Taibbi, Occupy LA and other locations conducted actions against the NDAA today including a Twitter trend #imightbeaterrorist.
The irony is that actions like these make armed resistance the only possible means of fighting for our liberty. American Spring, if it ever comes, will be a civil war.
Actually, no it doesn’t. That’s the impression that those who are ordering these police actions want to create. Because they are fully equipped to deal with armed resistance.
But abuse of clearly nonviolent protesters begins to separate the human beings from the robots in the security forces, whether they be police or military. Change happens when those forces can no longer be ordered to suppress the people because they refuse orders.
All of the mythology and tactics that cities are employing are designed to keep that from happening.
And it is not a foregone conclusion yet that Constitutional rights are totally lost. The Occupy Wall Street movement has become an experiment to test that hypothesis.
Taibbi then goes on to detail why the NDAA’s provisions are so problematic–the War on Terror would be extended to not just Al Qaeda and the Taliban and “associated forces,”
Apparently, Taibbi hasn’t read the bill.
From Section 1031:
(b) COVERED PERSONS.–A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
From Section 1032:
(2) COVERED PERSONS.–The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
So, no, it doesn’t expand any powers beyond al Qaeda and its affiliates.
Also, Diane Feinstein had this language inserted into Section 1031:
(e) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
So, no, the bill doesn’t authorize military detention for OWS protesters.
There are real problems with this bill. We don’t need to make any up.
By whom? By what process? Under what criteria? With what judicial safeguards?
What civil liberties advocates fear is that anyone can be determined without proof to be in that category and detained indefinitely without review.
And just saying “We ain’t gonna do that.” is not comforting.
Trusting President Obama really isn’t the issue. What about the President in 2021 when this law is still on the books and al Quaeda is definitely not a threat.
We went through this before. It was call McCarthyism.
Like I said, there are actual problems with the bill.
We don’t need to make up any more.
And while “McCarthyism” is a fun word to say, no, this has nothing whatsoever to do with hounding people because of their real or perceived politics.
By whom? By what process?
By the executive, through the same process they currently use.
Under what criteria? With what judicial safeguards?
In accordance with the laws of war – in other words, holding people under POW powers.
What civil liberties advocates fear is that anyone can be determined without proof to be in that category and detained indefinitely without review.
In other words, the bill doesn’t do anything that changes the status quo.
Yours are legitimate concerns about what the bill actually does, grounding in an actual reading of the language. UR DOIN IT RITE! The silliness about OWS protesters being sent to Gitmo? Not so much.
Why do you even have problems with it if you perceive it to just hold up the status quo?
IOW, you’re talking about how the government behaves in the fight against al Qaeda, which is the actual problem, and has been for a while.
As opposed to some left-wing version of “Janet Napolitano wants to put us in FEMA camps,” which isn’t.
Fully text of Sections 1031 and 1032 as passed by the Senate:
SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
(c) Implementation Procedures-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
(d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.
This language is either unnecessary or dangerous. Preventive detention is for what one “might do” in the absence of any probable cause.
The amendment to the NDAA is at best political posturing.
But it is so vague about its relationship to due process that it could be dangerous in the wrong hands.
There is nothing in the bill that bears any resemblance to preventive detention. The entirety of the “covered persons” sections refers to what persons have done in the past.
The amendment to the NDAA is at best political posturing.
No, not even remotely. “Shall not be construed” language is frequently used in public law, and I assure you, it has very real meaning as a restriction to how the law can be applied, and how it can be interpreted by the courts.
The language is unobjectionable so far as I can see.
Majorities in the Congress of both parties and both presidents since 9/11 have agreed we are at war with Al-Qaeda, their supporters, and any associated groups as well as the Taliban.
Likewise, it is established law that captive fighters in war can be held pending cessation of hostilities and can be tried as war criminals and can be held in the custody of the military.
In fact, that is how it is normally done.
Greenwald’s problem is less and less easily camouflaged as concern that what the US and the Obama Administration are doing is unlawful or unconstitutional.
It is abundantly clear in every piece he writes that his problem is he regards the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq as wars of aggression.
He thinks that our presence there is and was from the beginning an unjustified and evil occupation and that the existing governments in both countries are mere puppets and collaborators.
And he insists that everyone of suitable description who kills or attempts to kill American or coalition troops there or to attack Americans or citizens of coalition states anywhere is fighting a legitimate battle of resistance.
Who does not understand what he is really saying?
Morally, in his view, we are the Nazis.
The governments of Iraq and Afghanistan are the collaborationist governments of Norway and France.
The Taliban, al-Qaeda, and the rest are the French resistance.
That is what Greenwald is so worked up about.
I think he is full of beans.
None of this appears to be about the law of terrorism.
Btw, just to avoid misunderstanding, I have opposed both wars from the first day as overreactions not warranted by US interests or a proper measure of retaliation for 9/11, almost certainly doomed to fail in the long run and not worth the trouble even in the unlikely event they succeed.
I believe the neocon wars and pretty much all aspects of the US engagement in the Middle East amount to carrying out missions for Israel squarely against the interests of the US.
I believe American policy there has been hijacked by agents of a foreign power (Israel) crucially aided by a vast network of Christian churches powerfully influencing our foreign policy for entirely religious reasons, often quite fantastic ones, and broadly supported out of sheer venality by the military-industrial complex.
I believe American diplomatic, economic, and military support for Israel has been a mistake, if not quite a crime, from the first day, a blunder by Truman every bit as fateful and harmful in the long run as the creation of NATO and the American commitment to pick up after the French in Southeast Asia.
I think it is entirely obvious to anyone from nearly any place in the world outside the Occident that the existence of Israel and Western support for it are the last relics of 19th Century European colonialism in Africa, and were and are motivated entirely by European and America guilt for the Holocaust, the Jewish need to flee postwar Europe in terror and loathing, and Jewish and Christian religious conviction.
I am an American progressive anti-interventionist whose principal objection to liberal and neo-Wilsonian interventionism is that it is stupid, costly, often doomed to failure, and an outrageous betrayal of the American people who have to pay in blood and treasure, again and again for wars they oppose or are duped into temporarily supporting and then denied ever after the opportunity of ending.
Our support for Israel and our policy in the Middle East is not and never was a prudent policy decided and acted upon by unambitious leaders looking out carefully for the interests of the US and its people.
But not for a moment do I think Uncle Ho and the Viet Cong were the good guys.
Speaking of Truman’s mistake, everyone who’s interested should read this:
Why the US Recognised Israel
Hint to anyone who doesn’t know, the military and State Department initially opposed recognizing it for the very reasons stated by Gaius.
A little more on Truman’s errors.
We should have opposed and then refused to join the UN.
Sponsoring and then not just joining but being home to the UN with a permanent seat on the Security Council committed the US to global interventionism.
It was of a piece with creating and joining NATO and assuming leadership in the global cold war.
Liberal interventionists supported Wilson getting us into The Great War, creating the League, and then trying to get us to join and lead it.
Progressive anti-interventionists opposed both world wars, NATO, the cold war, and so on.
Consistent anti-interventionists who can see the handwriting on the wall opposed the League and the UN.