Ron Paul represents some of the worst aspects of the Republican Party. He’s generally opposed to every bit of progress made since the Progressive Movement began having success roughly a hundred years ago. But he also offers one of few voices on the right that questions our foreign policy, our drug policy, and our ever-increasing surveillance state. Ideally, he would have less influence on the former issues and more influence on the latter ones. In the context of a Republican nominating process, it will be his heterodox views that come to the fore, and so we can expect the Republican Establishment to come down on him with both feet if, as now seems possible, he wins the Iowa Caucuses. Whether they tackle his foreign policy sins frontally or attack him for being kooky and racist, they will be most concerned to discredit his views on foreign policy.
I think Democrats are fairly united in the belief that Mitt Romney would pose the most dangerous challenge to Obama’s reelection, and it will probably help Romney if Paul wins Iowa because Romney can unite most of the party against Paul in a way that simply wouldn’t be possible against any of the other candidates. So, a Ron Paul victory in Iowa would be an unwelcome development because it would appear to make a Romney nomination much more likely. It would be better for Paul to emerge somewhat later in the process.
In an ideal scenario, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and some other candidate would each get enough delegates to create a deadlocked first ballot at the convention. At that point, Ron Paul could negotiate terms for shifting his delegates’ support to one or the other of the other candidates (or to a draft candidate). Some of those concessions would be of little interest to progressives, like minor changes to the Republican platform or cabinet positions in any future government. The wedge Paul would create would be the biggest benefit, as it would split the GOP into irreconcilable camps. But a dose of sanity on the Pentagon’s budget and drug policy could help our country move in a more positive direction. It’s hard to say if more influence from Paulistas could move the GOP in a saner direction overall. I think it more likely to just weaken the party’s cohesiveness and party discipline. But I’d see that as a major positive, too.
In general, I’d like Paul to do very well in the primaries, but I’d rather he not start out so strong that he wins Iowa. If he does that, he’ll wipe out all Romney’s other competition and find himself quickly marginalized and his message forgotten. Of course, since Paul won’t drop out (most likely), a prolonged two-person race between Paul and Romney could prove quite costly to the GOP, but only if Paul can withstand an incredible onslaught and still win some decent percentage of contests. I don’t see that as too likely.
Good points, but I think the biggest danger the GOP poses to the country, and the world, is in foreign policy, not civil rights or economic justice. Anything we can do to foment a larger, anti-neocon element in the GOP is ultimately good for us and for the whole country as both a long term and short term strategy. Paul is guy that we can deal with — much more so than the rest of the slate of leading candidates.
It’s all related.
If you think about the causes of World War Two and the Holocaust, you have to consider irresponsible economic policies based on greed to be a major contributor. Maybe the biggest single cause of the rise of the Nazis was the economic collapses during the Weimar Republic. And, even then, we had a global economy and, thus, eventually a global depression.
Yeah, it helps keep the peace if there aren’t ultranationalist political parties with imperial ambitions, but it also helps if people have freaking jobs and a decent safety net.
You’re becoming a real weather vane on this GOP shit, Booman. The holiday break will be good for you. Once the primaries actually start, I think you’ll be able to see the forest for the trees again.
What did we learn from 2008? Superior money + superior organization = win. Obama beat Hillary. Because he outraised her and out organized her. And he got the party elites on his side, with knives out.
Who has got the money and the outside third party groups? Romney.
Iowa and NH Republicans like to vote for cultural protest candidates that don’t win the rest of the race (Robertson, Buchanan, Huckabee, etc.). Who does this help? Romney. In the same way it helped McCain. They aren’t built to thrive, but they are built to survive.
What about the “true base” candidates? Why are they all meteorically collapsing every time? Perry likes to mix alcohol with his painkillers and used his first day as candidate to threaten murdering the Fed Chairman. Even Republicans know Crazy Eyes Bachmann is crazy. Herman Cain had never won a single elected office. And Newt Gingrich embodies every single ugly, stereotypical characteristic that make ordinary people despise politics. Who does this all benefit? Romney.
It was always Romney. He’s the prototypical post-Citizens United candidate. And then he’s gonna go lose 53-47 to Obama, lose states like Arizona and Missouri in the EC, and that will be that. A respectable showing against a historically great President, perhaps, but nothing more.
The math checks out.
Sigh… you’re convincing. Perhaps Newt was too good to be true. But Perry might still make a comeback – the anti-Romney forces have to flow somewhere, and they still have two full weeks left to do it.
Also, don’t forget that the Iowa caucus process for Republicans isn’t nearly as complicated as the Dems’.
Every time I convince myself that Romney will win all 50 states and capture the nomination, something makes me doubt it. As for organization, I don’t think any of these candidates are very well organized. Romney and Paul and Perry have money, but only Paul seems to know how to use it to build a serious ground operation. Romney has almost nothing worth noting in Iowa. Try googling for a hint of grassroots activity from Romney in Iowa.
Romney’s such an obviously terrible candidate his own Party’s voters don’t like him, so it’s hard to believe they’re gonna nominate him.
yeah, but it is even harder to believe they’ll nominate any of his rivals.
Exactly. But it’s easy to fool yourself into thinking otherwise, because, well, Mitt Romney.
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
– Sherlock Holmes, The Sign of the Four
You’re thinking of organization in the wrong context I think. It’s not a populist thing.
Domination of the airwaves is how Republicans “organize.” It’s all top-down, not bottom-up. The GOP doesn’t use a lot of footsoldiers. They use bombardiers.
Yeah, but remember in Romney’s original plan he never intended to contest Iowa, so he never tried to put a serious ground operation in place there. I don’t know how he’s running other states, but given how long he’s been running for prez, I’d be shocked if it’s as feeble as IA.
“Perry … used his first day as candidate to threaten murdering the Fed Chairman.”
You say that as if Republicans think that’s a bad thing.
I don’t give a shyt about this racist. he can win Iowa for all I care. let them stand with him.
Why is it that some “progressives” are so confused by this guy? It’s amazing. He is a senile racist idiot who was writing vile shit 30 years ago that he has not repudiated, and STILL the idiots follow him.
He’s an honest man; the idea of him using his connections to enrich himself like Gingrich is unthinkable.
He doesn’t pander to the cameras or to the audience. He says what he thinks.
The guy has some very admirable personal qualities that are rare in politics these days. I think people, even people who abhor his crazy-assed positions, respond to that.
You can be an honest racist lunatic as well as a dishonest racist lunatic.
I will grant him the props due him for his opposition to US military adventurism and for his honesty.
Honesty is an overvalued trait however, and if that is what Paul has going for him, it’s waaaaa-aa-aaay over rated.
And this one is an honest – both in terms of “not corrupt” and in terms of “says what he thinks, doesn’t try to manipulate or pander” – racist lunatic.
Honesty is an overvalued trait
It tends to be valued highly by honest people.
Ah, now I get what Trippi meant by his last tweet. He must have read this blog post. Makes sense.
We should want Ron Paul to blow the collective GOP mind, leading to a clown-show convention and an unelectable nominee.
If Paul wins Iowa, he can expect (per Nate Silver) about a 7% bounce in his New Hampshire results.
Silver’s current NH projections show the Mittster with 36.5% and Paul with 19.9%. So post-Iowa, Paul could be up to 27%. Some of that comes from Romney, so the real gap between them could be as little as 5%.
Keep in mind that NH allows independents to vote in either primary. Remember that in 2000, Bill Bradley came within 6,000 votes of beating Al Gore — most independents voted for McCain in the GOP primary. And these relatively rational independents have seen the Mittster up close.
So I think a Paul win in Iowa could easily lead to victory in New Hampshire. Which pretty much destroys the Romney Theory of Inevitability.
Which probably results in a Gingrich or Perry victory in South Carolina. Mitt’s organizational and financial strength may or may not help him in Florida and beyond. But the media can be counted on to provide lots of publicity to at least two non-Paul candidates; a presidential cagefight will bring out lots of red meat as it continues.
So what could we want from Ron Paul? A GOP convention without a clear winner going in. There’ll be enough Tea Party delegates bringing their calm deliberation to Tampa to make it appear — one hopes — something like Chicago 1968.
Who could possibly unite the convention? The GOP savior of the month, Jeb Bush, represents something of a homeopathic solution to the economic problems birthed by his father and nurtured to maturity by his brother.
Ron Paul victories in Iowa and NH may be the best way to showcase fundamental divisions in the Rethug party, in a way that highlights just how crazy all the factions are. That’s what I want.
So what you are saying is that Ron Paul is “half-right,” correct?
All I can say is, better half-right than totally wrong…totally wrong being a perfect definition of the rest of the Ratpub candidates. Some are even more totally wrong that are others, which despite being a logical impossibility is nonetheless quite true.
But here comes the kicker.
This guy is intelligent enough to have figured out half of the equation, and perspicacious enough to have fought through innumerable obstacles to stay in the game for 35+ years.
Not many like him in this regard.
Bet on it.
What if he is correct right on down the line?
You write:
This is at least superficially true, but let me ask you this. What if “the Progressive Movement” is no longer progressing? What if that particular style of progress has been so well co-opted by the Permanent Government, its federal apparatus and its media that it is actually a regressive force now? And what if Ron Paul was not only a prophet regarding economic imperialism, the permanent war state, the surveillance state and the economic Ponzi machine that has been spiraling downwards and out of control since at least the later Clinton years if not much earlier, what if he saw the end of “progessivism” itself as a useful tool in the evolution of this society?
What then?
He’s smart enough to figure out a good part of the equation. What if he has actually solved the whole thing but the other so-called “thinkers” are so invested in the status quo that they refuse to even give his findings a fair review.
Where are we then except a little further up Shit’s Creek?
Nowhere.
Facing the inevitable bust that comes when the big bubble. pops.. you know, the one that surrounded all of the smaller ones, most of which are either expired or pushing their “do not consume” date.
That one.
UH oh!!!
What then?
AG
Because he’s not an anarchist, he’s a Constitutionalist/Paleocon.
Ron Paul’s “do not consume past” date was 1991. But, like 20 decade old raw milk, some people cannot read these dates.
Ron Paul is a toxic racist pro-forced-birth lunatic, who is right on his opposition to US military adventurism. He is wrong on everything else. And for those who don’t realize that, all I can say is
WAKE THE FUCK UP.
He’s right about the drug war, too.
And some of the police state stuff like wiretapping.
Oh yes, the usual name calling from the usual suspects. Great. Thanks.
You prove my point.
AG
I do not think he would have much leverage over the military industrial complex, seeing as he wants to militarize the southern border with Mexico with 100,000 troops. He will fight against our Empire, this is true, and it’s commendable. I just don’t like people conflating the two.
I also see no value in consistency. Well, it depends on your definition. I have changed my mind on a number of issues since 2007 — usually more leftist, but in others more libertarian. Does this make me inconsistent? Someone who’s as old as Paul and hasn’t moved in the slightest on any issue isn’t something to marvel at. How can you have the same views on everything as our culture evolves? Ideological rigidity isn’t something I look for in a leader, especially with new information.
If I were to endorse a GOP nominee, it would be Gary Johnson. I’ll probably be voting for Paul in the Republican primary, though. I don’t need to register for a party here, so it’s not that big a deal.
Ron Paul has changed his position in recent years on capital punishment and “don’t ask, don’t tell”, both for the side of good.
If you believe he was responsible for the content of his newsletters, his progression on social issues has been revelatory.
I don’t consider either of those changing positions, especially capital punishment. Paul has no problem in principal with the government putting you to death, he just doesn’t like how it’s been practiced at the federal level. States like Texas? He’s got no problem with that. States’ rights and all that shit.
His progression on social issues have not changed.
principle*
Generally speaking, I dislike GOP polls and voter, because they are entirely too far on the side of worship of “Big Bidness” and patriotism and the entire toxic sludge of modern conservastupidity.
However, I simply despise and sometimes actively hate libertarians. They want to disband the entire government, in favor of some insane stupid 1773 version of the “gubmint” in a 21st century world. I cannot understand anyone who says that the FDA is the “#1 job killer”, as if an FDA-free world would be better. It would not be better, under any form of construction of it.
Only libertarians and their supporters are stupid enough to fail to understand this simple point – the government is there to protect us from corporate power.
Lots of crocodile tears over Ron Paul’s racism when you consider that he is the only candidate in the presidential election (on either side) who is taking the right stand on one of the biggest threats to black communities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU
Gingrich’s rise brought the old guard out to demolish what would surely be a rancid presidency if he were given their full support.
Gingrich forced Romney to sweat. His stagnating run needed that. But he hasn’t battled his way out of the back room Gincrich tossed him into. No, the old guard bailed him out pure and simple these last 2 weeks.
So now what will Paul do for Romney? I’m betting Paul’s tenacity is going to rework the actual Party itself. He’s going to leverage what looks to be a sizeable get in Iowa; no matter win, lose or draw, and it will become a grass roots vs old guard bid.
The key will be how Fox chooses to inform its lemmings, but I’ll doubt if they’ll ever touch the closed minds of the Paul followers. My favorite part of all this is how dearly this race is costing the ‘job creator’ class.