I have a few quibbles with Paul Pillar’s analysis, but he’s started the conversation that progressives need to have about Iran’s nuclear program. His intent is to prove that a nuclear-armed Iran is preferable to war with Iran. He does a very good job of making his case, and everyone should become familiar with his argument.
I have two main complaints with his work, however. The first is that he gives very short-shrift to the concerns of anti-proliferation community. But this is really the crux of the matter. What would Iran’s neighbors do in response to a nuclear-armed Iran? Not what should they do, but what would they do? And this includes Israel. We must be as open-eyed about the pathologies of our allies as we are about our enemies. And it pays to take a very long view when doing this type of analysis. The prospect of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, which is currently demonstrating how unstable it is, is not something to be papered over with a couple of dismissive sentences.
My second complaint is that I think Pillar has a very unrealistic view of how a war with Iran would play out. In his telling, Israel or the United States (or both) would bomb a bunch of facilities in Iran. Iran would respond by disrupting the flow of oil by various means, including attacks on Arab oil facilities in the Gulf. They would also launch terrorist attacks against American and Israeli interests around the globe. And then every thing would quiet down for a while; Iran would redouble their efforts to build a nuclear weapon, and the U.S. and/or Israel would have to go back and “mow the lawn” again in a few years.
I cannot foresee that scenario actually happening. If the US decides to bomb Iran and Iran responds with anywhere near the belligerence that Pillar predicts, the US will go to war with Iran for real. The regime will be changed. There won’t be any mowing of lawns several years down the line. And Iran will be well-appraised of this reality long before they are bombed. It would be insane for us to get into a full-on war with Iran, but that won’t matter for the Clerics who will be scattered every bit as much as Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athists were after our invasion of Iraq. If the Clerics are as rational as Pillar suggests, they would be very measured in their response to a bombing attack.
Rather than focusing on how much pain Iran would inflict if attacked, we should focus on the likelihood that a bombing campaign would morph into an invasion and occupation of Iran. Pillar points out that not even the most hawkish advocates of a bombing campaign are advocating a ground invasion. That’s true, but it’s probably beside the point. Their goal is regime change. It’s no different than the Bay of Pigs plan. It doesn’t matter if the initial act is a disastrous failure if it sucks the country into a greater effort that leads to regime change.
My last point is about how Pillar has framed the debate. He provides us with an alternative between war and a nuclear-armed Iran. Our policy is based on avoiding both those outcomes. I’d like to see more focus on how our policy is succeeding and how it is failing, rather than having all the attention on war or no war.
The threat of military force may be more or less credible depending on the U.S administration in power, but it’s only one part of a much broader strategy. If Pillar thinks the threat of force should be completely taken off the table, then he ought to make his case for that. The president wants people to ramp down the talk of war. But that doesn’t mean he wants to remove all doubt about war. The goal is an agreement with Iran in which their nuclear program is closely monitored and it isn’t diverted to military purposes.
Anyone who is serious about nuclear non-proliferation should agree with that policy.
Rather than focusing on much pain Iran would inflict if attacked, we should focus on the likelihood that a bombing campaign would morph into an invasion and occupation of Iran.
Where would we get the soldiers for that? Iran is three times the size of Iraq. And remember, we went into Iraq undermanned compared with what planners said was necessary.
Who knows? Probably a draft if the occupation lasted any period of time.
The disruption in oil supplies would justify it in most people’s minds.
You think so? Somehow, I don’t see the population at large beating down a path to the nearest recruiting station. You certainly don’t think the AIPAC’ers and 101st Keyboard Kommandos like Goldfarb are going to sign up, do you?
Well, picture this, from Pillar’s article:
You think that happens and we don’t go do regime change, damn the consequences?
Again, are they going to re-institute the draft for that? I just don’t see it. Why do you think the Joint Chiefs(and any other military leader with an ounce of sense) think going to war with Iran is stupid with a capital “S”?
Where would we get the soldiers for that?
This is a fine question, in terms of whether such a war would be a good idea, but do you think this concern would actually serve as a brake on those who want a war with Iran?
We certainly have enough troops to deal a shattering blow to Iran’s main-force military, drive on Tehran, and proclaim that the Iranian military has been defeated and we’re in control of the country.
The point you’re raising is, then what? We’d need a few hundred thousand troops to pacify and secure the place. Well, this is where the magical thinking kicks in, with the candy and flowers and crowds cheering the installation of long-gone exiles.
Headline? Iraq?
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Muscle memory!
The Mayans were right.
Two things from Juan Cole to toss into this war fever.
Khamenei Takes Control, Forbids Nuclear Bomb
Top Ten Dangers for Obama of Iran Sanctions on behalf of Israel
So it seems that the ones driving the crisis are Bibi and the Israeli right wing, Ahmedinejad to preserve his populist secularist power base, and the GOP to preserve their populist religious power base. IDF and Mossad have cold feet. CIA and DoD have cold feet. Obama is working hard to keep the negotiations going, tacking between calming rhetoric and “I’m not bluffing.” rhetoric.
Meanwhile, Israel has accelerated its land grab.
Think this has to do with driving that news out of US media space?
This is dumb. That sentence is already the status quo on the ground today. Yet clearly it’s not enough for the sanctioners. For as much as Iran tries to keep its new facilities out of sight for as long as it can, the IAEA knows the state of Iran’s uranium stockpiles down to the milligram. It’s not some unreleased state secret or guesswork.
Okay, Stick with your alternate reality.
Parchin isn’t an enrichment facility. No uranium has been sent there. The world would know immediately if such a thing were planned. Wow, they test weapons at a military base? Knock me over with a feather. Hezbollah will be coming over that hill with a dirty bomb any second now. Does the fact that you can read all about it on fucking cnn.com not give you pause that it isn’t some supah seekrit master plot the likes of which the world has never seen before?
Straight question: is it in Iran’s rational self-interest to research how to build nuclear weapons or not?
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
I don’t think it is.
Here, now in the year 2012?
The world has already banned their central bank from doing business with anybody. Their currency isn’t worth shit. They have to do half their new oil business in fucking gold, of all things. The new demands from those sanctioning are their complete cessation of enrichment activity and demilitarization. Next thing to be forced on the table will be their long range missile program. The Israelis and Kurdish terrorists assassinate guys in the streets with impunity. Oh, and they’re a brutal theocracy that has to keep Tehran throttled every hour of every day so another 2009 doesn’t happen.
Iran has never had more incentive to build a stupid nuke. It might literally be their only salvation as a regime. There’s no peace. There’s no restoration of what used to be. The knives are out in the open and glinting.
Imagine that you are a teenager again. Imagine that your parents are absolutely convinced that you intend to go out on the weekend and do a bunch of drugs. In truth, you’d really like to go out on the weekend and do a bunch of drugs, but you haven’t actually committed to doing that yet. Your parents are reading your Facebook page and rifling through your drawers. They’ve called all your parents’ friends and told them to look out for any drug use. They’ve bought a drug-detection kit.
Is it in you rational self-interest to go out on the weekend a do a bunch of drugs?
I don’t think it is. Especially if the price of getting caught is getting a bunch of tomahawk missiles raining down on your head.
That is a genuinely terrible metaphor.
Children eventually have the freedom to leave their parents’ home. Iran’s got to share this world the same as anybody else. Forever. And since the premise of their society is a rejection of modernity, the question of how they want to live in this world becomes plain. Unbroken and unbowed. The perpetual revolution.
Also, it doesn’t help that “Mommy and Daddy” haven’t always had Iran’s best interests at heart, and instead have spent 33 years hoping for its collapse.
Parchin isn’t an enrichment facility. No uranium has been sent there.
Pulling stunts like this with the IAEA means that there is not an adequate agreement in place between the IAEA and the Iranian government.
An agreement like the one BooMan is talking about does not include the Iranian government deciding unilaterally that the IAEA doesn’t get to visit sites it suspects of being involved in a program to nuke up.
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You should know better.
More Israeli propaganda on “Iranian” bombings in Asia – Who was behind the Delhi bombing?
[Articles by Gareth Porter]
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Oh for the love of god, of course Iranians were responsible for the pathetic terror attempts in Asia. Nah, it was Martians. Martians and Keyser Soze.
The fact that they can’t even blow up people properly anymore is just further evidence of how existentially terrifying and powerful the regime is. Duh. World’s public enemy #1.
Meanwhile, based on much less evidence, Israeli involvement in the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists is accepted as a given.
For the record, so I don’t get lumped in with Oui, I just meant that if an IAEA matter is being litigated in the press, and not merely behind the scenes, it’s obviously not a code red situation. Games on top of games on top of games, but not some western pro-war conspiracy like Oui obviously believes…
If the Clerics are as rational as Pillar suggests, they would be very measured in their response to a bombing attack.
I agree, and in fact, they have demonstrated the ability to modulate their terrorism and support for terrorism in the service of their foreign policy – to act and respond in a way that demonstrates a grasp of proportionality and doesn’t provoke or escalate beyond what they want.
Rather than focusing on how much pain Iran would inflict if attacked, we should focus on the likelihood that a bombing campaign would morph into an invasion and occupation of Iran.
This would mean an intermediate step of maintaining an ongoing air and naval mission, somewhat like that over Iraq from 1992-2003.
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
“If the Clerics are as rational as Pillar suggests, they would be very measured in their response to a bombing attack.”
Remember how this nation reacted when it was attacked on September 11. We eventually wound up using it as a justification for going to war with a country that had nothing to do with that plot. Countries are not necessarily rational when their sovereignty is violated. I’d expect Iran to hit back hard, and then we’d react as you described and there’d be full out war, which would be a nightmare. That’s why I agree with Pillar’s argument, that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would be better than air strikes that would almost inevitably lead to war.
On the other hand, the administration can’t make that argument, and shouldn’t be expected to. It wouldn’t make sense for them to publicly declare they can live with a nuclear Iran when they’re publicly working against that eventuality. It would undercut their efforts with Iran, and of course Republicans would immediately become hysterical (well, more hysterical than they currently are). But just because they can’t say something like that publicly, I hope that privately they understand that a war with Iran should be off the table.
Finally, a drawback of discussing of whether we can live with a nuclear Iran is that it takes for granted that Iran is so determined to get nuclear weapons and that the choice is between war and a nuclear armed Iran. It is disturbing that we’re currently imposing sanctions on them and some are even talking about bombing not for what Iran has done, but for what we believe they might do. As Obama pointed out in the interview, “Iran does not yet have a nuclear weapon and is not yet in a position to obtain a nuclear weapon without us having a pretty long lead time in which we will know that they are making that attempt.” This is not like the situation in North Korea, where they kicked out IAEA inspectors. So while the discussion of whether we could live with Iran having a nuclear weapon is legitimate, focusing on it too much concedes too much.
Senator McCain is now calling for airstrikes on Syria.
He should have stuck with bombing Iran.
Pillar is a great deal more sanguine about nuclear proliferation than I am.
I continue to be surprised that the Peace Party is taking this line. There was a whole, big, passionate anti-nuke movement on the left in the 1980s. What happened to that?
What happened to that? The same thing that happened to the 1980s. There is no such beast as a ‘Peace Party’ anymore.