Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Mark Pryor (D-AR) are identified in this Roll Call piece as two “Old Bulls” who are skeptical about Harry Reid’s plan to change the Senate rules to make it harder for the minority to obstruct the day-to-day business of the upper chamber. They are more concerned, however, with how Harry Reid intends to change the rules than with the rule changes themselves.
I don’t want to get too technical in this piece because your eyes will glaze over if I do. So, I am just going to lay out some basics about how the Senate works and what these rules changes would mean.
First, you should know that it normally takes 67 senators to agree to any rules change. For this reason, the rules almost never change. However, there is an opportunity at the opening of each new congress for the majority party to change the rules with a simple majority vote, with the vice-president potentially breaking a tie. The Republicans threatened to do this during Bush’s second term because they were frustrated at their inability to confirm more judges. Back then it was called either the Nuclear Option or the Constitutional Option. A Gang of 14 moderate senators brokered a deal on nominating more judges in order to avoid use of the Nuclear Option. The fear was (and is) that once one party invoked the Nuclear Option it would become the norm any time power shifted hands in the Senate. Better, skeptics think, to broker a deal that has more support than to open the genie’s bottle and to create a bunch of bad blood at the beginning of a new session.
That’s fair enough, but we also have to consider why Harry Reid is seeking the rules changes in the first place. To understand this, you have to understand a little bit about routine Senate procedure. The Senate operates by something called “unanimous consent.” There are 100 senators, and any one of them can stall things by refusing to lend their consent to whatever it is the Senate Majority Leader wants to do. If the Senate is engaged in open debate, for example, and Harry Reid wants to take up a bill on military spending, he will ask for unanimous consent to end open debate and begin debate on his bill. If even one senator objects, then Harry Reid needs to do something called “filing for cloture.” This isn’t quite the same thing as a filibuster, but it is the key element of how a filibuster works.
Filing for cloture basically means that Harry Reid has notified the Senate that there will be a vote to override the objections of one or more senators for moving to the next piece of business (in this case, a military spending bill). A couple of legislative days will go by while Sen. Reid waits for the cloture to “ripen.” When the cloture has ripened, there is a vote that requires 60 votes to pass. If less than 60 senators vote for cloture, then the bill has been successfully filibustered.
Let’s stop for a moment to think about this before moving on to other elements of the Senate rules. If the Republicans can demonstrate to Harry Reid that they have 41 or more votes against cloture, Reid will know that the bill is blocked and he won’t bother going through the whole process unless he wants to make a political point and put people’s votes on the record. But, even if only one senator objects, it will add a couple of days to the process of beginning debate on the bill. In recent years, the Republicans have refused to grant unanimous consent for many bills and nominations, not because they opposed those bills or nominations, but solely to chew up legislative days so that the Democrats would be able to produce less legislation in general. In other words, the Republicans under Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have been exploiting the “unanimous consent” requirement to gum up the works of the Senate. In particular, they have objected to “motions to proceed” to the next order of business simply as a stalling tactic and not on the merits.
It’s important to remember these mechanics of the filibuster, because most people associate the filibuster with senators talking for a long time. That is somewhat of an anachronism. Every senator has the right to talk for as long as they want. However, the normal procedure when a bill comes up in the Senate is for the Majority and Minority Leaders to come to some agreement about how many amendments will be allowed and how much debate time will be allotted. Before debate even begins, there will be a unanimous consent agreement that is agreed to that says, for example, that each side can offer five amendments and will have two hours to debate. In this way, the senators basically consent up front to limit how long they will talk. This is not where the problem has arisen. The problem has arisen because Harry Reid has been unable to get unanimous consent to begin debate in the first place.
So, what Reid proposes is to do away with the unanimous consent requirement to begin debate. However, there will still be a unanimous consent requirement to end debate. What would this do?
Most obviously, it would prevent the Republicans from making him wait two or three days to move to a new piece of business. If he wants to start debate on a nomination or a bill, he could do that with a simple majority. Then, in the absence of a unanimous consent agreement about the time for debate, individual senators could talk forever rather than consenting to end debate and go to a vote. We would have a restoration of the “talking” filibuster made famous by Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. To force an end to debate, the majority would still need 60 votes. No bills could be passed or nominees confirmed by a simple majority, so that would stay the same.
However, every filibuster would require the minority party to stand in the Senate chamber and talk. The Democrats could use any pause to ask for unanimous consent to end debate, and the Republicans would have to have someone there at all times to object.
The idea is that the higher visibility of the filibuster would exact a higher price and we would see many fewer of them. A determined minority could still block anything, but they’d be much less likely to do so frivolously. There would be no more “silent” filibusters where the public doesn’t even know who is objecting or why they are objecting.
The Democrats are united on the merits of these reforms but some of them are worried about making the changes through the mechanism of the Nuclear Option. Here’s how Sen. Carl Levin put it:
In an interview, Levin said that while he agrees on the substance of the changes under consideration, he was “dubious” about the procedural maneuver because it could establish a new precedent that a future majority — Democratic or Republican — could use to establish draconian rules.
“If the majority’s going to write the rules here, it becomes the House of Representatives,” Levin said.
His concern is valid, but so are the concerns of senators who are sick and tired of obstruction and gridlock. There is a possibility that the Democrats could present a credible enough threat of using the Nuclear Option that the Republicans will agree to some lesser rules changes to forestall the move. However, it appears that the White House is on board with Reid going ahead and going nuclear. We’ll see if McConnell wants to go over that cliff or not fairly soon.
So Levin outs himself as a corporate whore? We already knew Pryor was/is. Hey Carl, pay attention to your own state. There is no filibuster there. Are you clamoring for them to start one? If not, shut up!
I don’t think Levin’s position reveals him as a corporate whore. He is representing a valid point of view. There are risks associated with changing the rules with a simple majority.
Only if Democrats decide to use the filibuster to serve the public good. Something they’ve a a reluctance to do since the LBJ era and the end of Democratic civil rights bill filibusters.
Filibusters have been useful ways to slip corporate goodies into bills as amendments in exchange for not filibustering.
Give me some historic instances of filibusters serving the public good and I might grant that Levin has a legitimate argument.
Without the filibuster, the Republicans could have destroyed the New Deal and the Great Society in the 2003-2006 time period when they had the troika.
What was filibustered?
It didn’t need to be filibustered. The 60 vote requirement kept it from happening.
On what legislation? And what events tell you that the Democrats threatened filibuster?
This was the period during which the Democrats in Congress got the reputation for being spineless, and now you say there was a hidden spine. This sort of revisionism needs some evidence.
what are you talking about?
George W. Bush accomplished almost nothing legislatively in his eight years. He got his tax cuts (through reconciliation), his NCLB, his Medicare Part D, and his Bankruptcy Bill. Other than that, he got nothing of consequence, and when he went after Social Security, he got nowhere near 60 votes.
His entire agenda would have been different if he only needed 50 votes in the Senate. The conservatives would have gutted everything in sight.
from the senate web page:
“During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used the filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor.”
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm
Garry Gamber tells this story:
That fits the real Huey Long more than the legendary Huey Long.
The threatened GOP “nuclear option” was not at the beginning of the term, but by overruling the Senate Parliamentarian’s opinion that filibuster is okay for nominations.
The GOP would have had to use Cheney for this, but I don’t recall whether that as because the Senate was 50/50 or because they needed his ruling to override the Parliamentarian.
Either way, Dems could do the same now, any time they want.
Right, that’s what I thought: the “nuclear option,” so called, wasn’t about a simple majority vote to change the Senate rules, it was because the GOP leadership was threatening to make the rules change well after the Senate term had begun. And it was over filibusters on judicial appointments, not legislation.
I read a similar piece in the NYT, and saw the comments from Levin and Nelson.
If Mr. Levin thinks there will be 2/3 support for ANYTHING the Democrats propose, he has not been paying attention for the past four years. And if Mr. Nelson believes that there is an “atmosphere” of “comity and common sense” in the Senate, than he is quite literally out of his mind.
Here’s a new one that I would love to see. In both houses.
Hold these hustlers to the same drug testing procedures that are in effect in Major League Baseball. Surprise bottle pissing, the works. Only the drugs being tested would be attention and mood altering drugs. Legal or illegal.
That’d thin out the ranks, fer sure.
Neither side would have enough people left to run a filibuster.
If you’re not fit to operate heavy machinery, you’re not fit to run the country.
LUI
Legislating Under the Influence
What fun that would be!!!
AG
Only if you include all judges, especially scotus.
Yes.
JUI
Judging Under The Influence
And while we’re at it…the media talking heads.
PUI
Pontificating Under The Influence
This meme has a future!!!
AG
LUI, LUI, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
LUI LUI, oh baby
Me gotta go…
“There would be no more “silent” filibusters where the public doesn’t even know who is objecting or why they are objecting.”
Or even that they are objecting. For people who don’t follow the daily activities of the Senate closely, it might not even register that there is anything going on. All they know is that “the Senate” isn’t getting anything done.
With the end of the silent filibuster, it would be clear that some Senators are trying to move something forward in some way, and that other Senators are blathering endlessly and irrelevantly to keep business from getting done.
Such visual evidence of obstructionists caught in the act, as it were, could be a good thing.
Who’d watch? People know they’re doing nothing, but nobody knows or cares why, or is willing to go to the trouble to find out.
There’s a reason US news reports don’t include news – because when they do, the viewers complain that their sports scores get left out or their sitcoms get interrupted, or they just take extended trips to the head.
Sad but true: Most USians haven’t a clue about the world, chiefly because they don’t WANT them. The information is out there, usually two channels or three clicks away – but We The People can’t be bothered because we might miss two seconds of a Kardashian in a bikini or something.
Partly true, but if we still had journalism in the MSM it wouldn’t take much “trouble” to find out what’s going on. I don’t quite know where these “two channels” are that you refer to. It’s true, we could all sit and watch CSPAN all day, but journalism’s job is to present real news in an understandable and thorough way, not dribble out a few minutes devoted to how this latest news is good for Obama or McCain or Boner. Journalism takes skill and honesty. Our “mainstream” gets an F in both.
We don’t have “journalists” nor do we have “news” because the American Public doesn’t want it. When it happens, channels are changed, papers are recycled, browsers are closed.
Feel free to bash the lack of honest journalism all you like, but remember – it doesn’t happen because it doesn’t draw enough viewers to even BEGIN to pay for itself, and the networks understand that. It’s why foreign bureaus are gone, copyeditors and factcheckers and editors are unemployable, and 2/3 of the reporters and journalists in the US are either doing PR, leaving the country, or looking for work. (The others are watching over their shoulders and quietly putting together resumes, packages, portfolios, and networks.)
Yeah, forty years ago when TV was new and growing, news was a way gain prestige for networks and sponsors. Now, Reality TV and game shows and C movies fill in that slot at much lower cost and there’s more prestige in sponsoring a Superbowl ad or an episode of Dancing with the Lost Vampires than in putting together the money to do stuff no one wants to watch.
Used to be some of it, but it was never a profit thing for the networks. A few companies sponsored a little of it as a prestige thing, “see, we’re good citizens,” but it never drew enough viewers to justify itself as a business item. Still doesn’t. Faux didn’t get to be the biggest network because they’re GOOD; they got there because they’re NOT.
One of the main benefits is that the media could no longer report obstruction like the Reps used as “The Senate today failed to pass xxx”, even though it got 59 votes. As if the Senate as a whole was either dithering or hiding or simply too stupid to do their job. I think this has been a big source of the universal disgust with Congress and the whole political system.
If the reports said “Republicans again block medical benefits for veterans” or whatever, even the least informed would finally get the idea about what’s really going on and who’s really responsible.
“if majority writes the rules…it becomes the House of Representatives…”
Um, this is insane. A body that grants WY and UT and VT the exact same number of votes as CA (and FL and NY) cannot in any meaningful way, by adopting any set of rules whatever, “become the House of Representatives”, Mr “Old Bull”.
The senate is a foolish enough contraption, and the “small” states already have an absurd level of power, even if there were NO (completely extra-constitutional) “minority rights” whatsoever.
The filibuster is gone the next time there is a Repub senate and Repub prez, anyway. “Conservative” Repubs won’t waste their time with the sort of (perfectly sensible) filibuster reforms Reid is now attempting. They’ll abolish the whole damn thing—there’s no way they’ll let the Dems pull the abusive shit that they have been pulling the past 4 years.
Exactly. Even hyping this as the “nuclear option” is ridiculous. A real nuclear option would be total abolition of the filibuster. This is simply a compromise that makes it harder to routinely block legislation and appointments, while still giving the minority plenty of time to make their case without getting steamrollered.
I’ve never understood Levin. Sometimes he can be a crusader for good stuff, and other times he seems lost on some other planet.
A real nuclear option would be the abolition of the Senate…
The only way to do that is with a brand new Constitution. That’s the only thing outlined in the Constitution that can’t be amended.
Sure it can:
Done.
Here’s the full text of Article 5:
I bolded the relevant part. That was the part I was thinking about when I made my previous comment.
If each state has zero Senators then they have not been denied equal suffrage in the Senate, right?
suffrage=votes right? There has to be someone to vote, so I don’t see how you can eliminate it
Right, but it’s equal votes, and 0 votes for Texas = 0 votes for Vermont.
no I meant that suffrage means actual votes, more than 0
Either way it’s never going to happen anyway given what’s required to pass any amendment
I’d rather have a big a vote as possible, but as I understand it, with 55 incoming senators Carl Levin and Mark “Red Terror” Pryor can go Cheney themselves.
While I understand Levin’s concern, I’d prefer open warfare to covert legislative maneuvers. Let’s fight it out on the merits, out in the open, and see where the people line up.
I think the Dems will suffer big hurt if they again fail to reform the filibuster. It will be the last straw for the left side of the party. Right or wrong, nobody has any sympathy left for the intricate pomposity of the Senate. The slow dance may have its benefits, just as there were probably benefits lost when we quit writing with quill pens, but nobody’s going to stand for an 18th-century Senate anymore.
What a crock of shit the senate is.
A vast cesspool of fucking arrogant idiots who just don’t get it.
End the filibuster altogether and restore majority rule.
And even that only begins to address what is wrong with the senate, this second most anti-democratic tool of entrenched power, oligarchy, and inequality created by the US constitution.
The complete fix would be to simply abolish the senate and go to unicameralism with representation proportioned to population and operating by majority rule.