I have this very vague recollection of a point in time when I read a comment on some blog, probably Daily Kos, where a progressive was praising Ed Schultz, and I had a moment of cognitive dissonance because I thought Ed Schultz was a right-wing shock jock. It turns out, I was right. He was a right-wing shock jock before he had an epiphany.
In 1998, just two years after starting his talk show, “News and Views,” Schultz met a psychiatric nurse named Wendy Noack, who would become his second wife. Noack worked a second job running a homeless shelter for the city of Fargo, and insisted that Schultz meet her at a soup kitchen on their first date. The experience of eating a baloney sandwich while surrounded by downtrodden men whom he was paid to lambast on the air rattled Schultz’s conservative worldview, and he began what he describes as a period of soul-searching that lasted several years. During this time, he made multiple trips around his coverage area in a 38-foot RV dubbed “The Big Eddie Cruiser,” visiting with struggling farmers and other members of America’s underclass who were largely absent from media coverage during the tech boom of the ’90s. Schultz emerged from this period a changed man.
“I don’t think anyone wakes up one day and says ‘I’m a liberal,’” Schultz admits. “But I underwent a number of grassroots experiences that brought me around to a different perspective.”
Cynics can doubt Schultz’s sincerity and criticize him for his chameleon-like ambition, but I think he’s spent enough time now with working men and women that his commitment to their causes should be beyond question. He may have his faults, but he fills a critical niche among white progressives. I don’t like to paint people into tight categories, but the progressive movement is mainly made up of three groups. The first and most powerful group is made of lawmakers who represent urban areas with large minority populations. Most of these lawmakers are black, Latino, or Asian, and they dominate the Progressive Caucus in the House of Representatives. The second group is made up of a combination of the academic world and the liberal-minded professional classes. The scientific community has a foot in each of these camps. It’s this second group that dominates the progressive blogosphere. It’s also where you find most of the MSNBC lineup. Chris Hayes went to Brown University; Lawrence O’Donnell went to Harvard; Rachel Maddow was a Rhodes Scholar; Ezra Klein went to UCLA; Melissa Harry-Perry has a doctorate from Duke University and has taught at Princeton. So, where does Big Ed fit in? He represents the third group: labor. He represents the interests of all working men and women, regardless of race. In fact, he seems to me to have a better understanding of how the labor and urban/minority groups are co-dependent and are empowered when they stand together than any other progressive I’ve seen on television.
In Michael Meyer’s relatively unflattering profile of Ed Schultz in the Columbia Journalism Review, he suggests that Schultz sticks out like a sore thumb and may not fit MSNBC’s emerging brand.
But even as Schultz’s audience grows, he’s beginning to look out of place in an MSNBC lineup that is increasingly the domain of a wonky, erudite liberalism that is about as far from Schultz’s fired-up everyman persona as 30 Rock is from Fargo. MSNBC President Phil Griffin has been working to make the network’s brand more recognizable and coherent, and Brian Stelter, who covers the television industry for The New York Times, reported in November that anonymous sources within MSNBC had told him Schultz might be kicked out of primetime in favor of the wunderkind Ezra Klein. MSNBC denied it at the time, and when I recently suggested to Griffin that the MSNBC brand seemed to be moving away from Schultz, he disagreed: “I think we’re always tinkering and evolving the brand. But I think Ed fits in there. And I think it’s very important to have that voice talking about the issues the way Ed does.”
Now, Phil Griffin may not have the best interests of the progressives or the Democratic Party in mind. I frankly don’t think he should. His job is to make money, not to help factions or parties. But I agree with him that it is very important to have a voice like Ed’s talking the way Ed does. If people on the left are looking for growth, they can wait around until demographics does their work for them, or they can go after the working class, convincing whites, registering non-whites, and working to bridge the natural cultural and racial divides between groups.
The white progressive movement is dominated by intellectuals who have advanced degrees from top universities. There is nothing wrong with that. Except, quite often, these eggheads forget that they are numerically quite small in the overall progressive movement. Big Ed is a key piece in this landscape. So is Melissa Harris-Perry, who bridges the academic-urban/minority groups.
What’s interesting about the emerging brand of MSNBC is that it is not so much Democratic as progressive, because the emerging talent is not coming from or speaking to the more business-oriented perspective of the New Democrats or Blue Dogs. It’s coming from an urban academic perspective, sprinkled with a bit of Big Ed labor.
I hope Ed Schultz sticks around.
I always have a problem with people who knock Ed because he was once conservative and is going for the money. AS far as I can tell, there is more money on the right than the left.
He kind of reminds me of an ex-smoker who tends to be harsher on smokers than non-smokers. Yes, he is probably more labor oriented than other progressive folks on the radio and the tubes simply because he is more and has been more within that lifestyle. Whereas the others have an intellectual conception of the pain things can cause, he knows it more on a gut level.
And I think he is more in touch with the actual fears of people concerned about changes to SS for example. He can be blustery, but he doesn’t come up with criticisms from a hoity-toity perspective, which is what I think particularly Maddow and Hayes do. Personally, I hate Hayes and think he is a smug ass who shouldn’t belong anywhere near a public forum.
It’s O’Donnell who I find to be smug. Hayes isn’t sitting on his laurels casting wisdom from on high. He’s seems genuinely curious and searching.
It’s O’Donnell who I find to be smug.
The same goes for Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias. After all, for a long time Klein treated the Zombie-eyed Granny-starver as a serious wonk long after Krgthulu exposed him as the fraud he is. Also, I’ve always wondered if Yglesias and Klein have ever met working stiffs before. Their attitudes betray that they haven’t.
I think it’s a mistake to lump Klein and Yglesias together. Do people do this because their are both Jewish, young, wonky, and emerged at the same time?
I don’t see Klein as smug at all. He’s not condescending. He’s not preachy. I don’t get the hate.
Do people do this because their are both Jewish, young, wonky, and emerged at the same time?
What does Jewish have to do with anything? It has to do with both being neo-liberal worshipping tools. It has to do with both being part of that too-cool-for-school group that includes McMegan. It has to do with both never having to worry about whether they’ll be able to afford meals for next week. Basically, they have little to no clue how the 99% lives.
This is true, though Yglesias is much worse than Klein, so much so that I agree that you shouldn’t lump them together. Ezra means well, but is blinded by the circles he moves in. Yglesias EMBRACES the circles he moves in and if he’s a left at all it’s because of legacy.
Yes, I like Chris too. And we need people like Ed badly on the left. There are none of my co-workers whom I can envision connecting with Rachel or Chris, however articulate they are (maybe because of that). Ed, on the other hand, is a personality type who would appeal to them. We need a lot more like him, in every talk radio venue in the country – maybe then we could get the message across to the average Fixed News/talk radio viewer. Just like the Repubs who recently demonstrated their sheer ignorance of what Obama had put on the budget table, my co-workers hear ONLY Fox/Rush 24/7, and there are NO alternatives in their market.
As an ex-conservative and ex-smoker, I agree with you completely.
I agree that we need people who can talk to white working class voters. However, I don’t think we want Schultz filling that role. I have been very wary of Schultz and this was before I knew that he used to be a winger. He doesn’t strike me as sincere or intellectually honest. He makes unjustified attacks on Obama and he’s a blowhard.
I get a less slick John Edwards vibe from him. And I’ve decided to start trusting my instincts more in case like this since I supported Edwards for his positions, while ignoring a sense that something off about him.
I haven’t forgiven Ed Schultz for saying he won’t vote in 2010. No, he didn’t cause us to lose the House, and the issue isn’t even necessarily progressives staying home. But if you’re a real progressive, you do not say that. You just don’t. And as far as I can tell, Schultz has never owned up to that.
Why, any Real ProgressiveTM will tell you you always say that. Unless your candidate is so good on the issues, they can’t possibly win. Because the lesser of two evils is still evil….
Then you vote.
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Booman’s a closet libertarian!!!
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Media libertarianism.
The wave of the future.
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Thank you, Booman.
I needed that.
Here’s thenecessary corollary.
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Thanx again.
AG
P.S. You can never attack Fox News or its owners again, Booman. Not after that statement you can’t. After all…they’re just trying to make some money.
Right?
Riiiiiight…
WTFU.
Presumably, the people who run Fox and the people who run MSNBC would make money is the same ways, which is:
the two groups can go about the ratings part differently, catering to different audiences, but the really big money comes from number 2. I don’t think NBC execs are much different from Roger Ailes and Rupurt Murdoch when it comes to the big picture, which means they’re ultimately not interested in progressives making too much progress in Congress.
Don’t forget how Ashleigh Banfield and Phil Donahue were cashiered from MSNBC during the Bush years.
Oh dear!!!
You forgot this one.
Ddi you see my recent comment on Steven D’s post TIME Pimps for Attacking Iran? It’s about Judith Miller, and she’s just a minor leaguer compared to the big boys and girls.
As above, so below.
Bet on it.
The media are the single most maleficent power in this country, Booman. Without their constant din of lies on top of lies…left wing, right wing, centrist, whatever…perhaps the people of this nation would wake up to what is happening.
But NOOOOOOooooo…
So it goes.
WTFU.
AG
You’re right, I did omit ‘access’ as one of the ways that the media makes money. This is most important for the actual reporters, who are only sporadically the hosts of these programs, at least the primetime ones. Maddow does the most original reporting, but the format is mostly about commentary on other’s reporting. They are actually more concerned with booking guests, which is another way politicians and the administration can manipulate them.
Access and booking is something the media needs and therefore a means to control them, or at least keep them within bounds.
Looks like Ed lost his time slot after all. He’s moving to the weekend.
Ed had come a long way from his conservative origins and then his regrettable invocation to teach Obama a lesson and sit out the 2010 midterms. His show was improving over the past year and he covered labor and jobs better than anyone else on cable. It’s good that he’ll have a spot on the weekends to keep this up.
Chris Hayes’ weekend UP show is flat-out the best thing on television. By far. This is a BFD, as Biden would say, in that Chris is the smartest and most progressive host we’ve ever seen in such a far-reaching slot on network television (and that includes Rachel Maddow, who is usually excellent and has broken a lot of stories). I have never watched his program without learning things.
Glad someone said this. After all, how many Ed viewers did stay home? Does he even get a million viewers a night? Mid-term elections have been a problem for Democrats for ages. But as you say, saying he was going to not vote is just plain moronic.
For those of us who drink deeply from the political well on a regular basis, Chris Hayes’ show is simply a must-watch. Does anyone know if he will continue with UP on the weekends after he starts his night gig?
Ed’s show is about the only place you will find regular coverage of labor issues. I believe his support for labor is genuine, and I enjoy his take on it. I have listened to Ed on and off since his days on Air America. Sometimes I’m not in the mood for his bellicosity, but I think he plays an important role in the world of progressive news media. I hope he continues to keep a high profile presence on MSNBC.
Exactly. Ed’s passion for Labor has regenerated a defense of middle class.
Hayes is a must watch in the format of extended time slots on the weekends where they can delve into topics intellectually. He has the extraordinary ability and likely work ethic that he is able to absorb and speak out on an endless array of topics often better than his guests.
But a nightly show is a different thing. What he will bring to his new show is his ability to interrupt any and all misstatements by inserting relevant facts. For the spinners he is someone to run from, whether that will be recognized so that the show debates fact vs fact is Hayes’ challenge.
Course John Fuggelsang over at CURRENT may wonder how this will impact his show Viewpoint.
I really hope Chris is able to snag some conservatives to sit down, one on one, with him. Though if Maddow’s batting average is any indication, conservatives will not come within 100 miles of Hayes.
I would love to see Ted Cruz across the table from Chris Hayes in prime time.
Not a fan of Ed; not a fan of Rachel, O’Donnell, Perry, or Sharpton either. None of them speak to me.
Maybe it’s because I fit into the pointy-headed egg-head wonky niche…but the only show I ever watch with enjoyment is Hayes. The rest make my skin crawl, including Maddow.
I wouldn’t lump Klein and Yglesias together. Yglesias is far more intellectually honest than Klein, but he’s just a neoliberal douche. The reason I don’t like Klein is because he has two (maybe three) personalities: blog-Ezra, and newspaper-Ezra. Newspaper Ezra is much more aloof, naive, and and lies frequently (WHOCUDAKNOWN!!! mentality). Blog Ezra is more tolerable.
Schultz has stood up for the USPS, and the scam that is destroying it…more than any other person on tv. he has been on this story and why it’s important to the middle class.
I appreciate him for that.
Too bad the networks are smart enough to make their folks live outside the media bubble. If Ed Schultz’s doing 2 two-hour shows on the weekend, does that mean that he reverses his commuting pattern? Or can the powers that be envision that he might just be able to do a show from rural duck-hunting Minnesota?
Ed was positioned from a marketing standpoint as the anti-Rush and in the early days pulled audience because of it. But the Democrats did not see the utility of Ed enforcing progressive bona fides on the Democrats the way Rush keeps the Republicans “pure”. Too bad, that completely cuts off the capability to primary purge your way to a Progressive majority. That is, the mirror image of conservatives 40-year Long March.
Hayes gets prime time, pulling some eyeballs from the blogs to MSNBC. Ed might get a working-class audience if there’s not a sports show on. And who goes to the Sunday talk zombie zone?
It’s just show business. That’s because unlike the era of mass media, today’s audiences are self-selected. Not much room for old-fashioned political evangelism.
The best one can say is that the other media have to cover MSNBC framed as a counter-weight to Fox. Suprised that no one mentioned the incongruity of Scarborough and Tweety on MSNBC with the new lineup. What are peddlers of moral equivalency to do?
I never heard this about Ed. His change in world-view is very rare. The ability to ignore the truth, and compartmentalize, on the right is often overwhelmingly strong.
His wife, the person who changed his perspective, must be quite a powerful person. Most people would not even try to convince someone on the right about the facts of poverty and hunger.
Interesting that he was from Fargo. I go there occasionally on work trips. It’s a small town. It is similar to the town portrayed in the movie of that name, but of course the movie accentuated the negative, and the Scandahoovian. It is a small town of about 90K. There is rural poverty in the upper Midwest.
I like all of them (save Sharpton) but watch none.
Just about the only political TV that I can stand is Colbert.
Sort of what I said way back in 2005 in Air America Considered
Should you really say ‘egghead’?
Isn’t that just feeding into demonization of academics in the country? Didn’t the country go down hill when the non-eggheads decided eggheads didn’t know anything and true wisdom lay in the champions of the salt of the earth (lying republicans)? Yes I know it’s one word, but there is this constant tension between the two camps. And certainly the world would be a much MUCH better place if the ‘eggheads’ had ruled it the past 30 years.
I say this as someone who used to watch Ed Schultz do sports as a kid and recognizes his value now as an adult.
You realize that they use the hashtag #nerdland, right?
Nerd is a much more positive word currently.
come from similar backgrounds. Al Sharpton is really the only one coming from a different viewpoint during the Tweety – Lawrence line-up. If they are really going for the white, liberal egghead manner, I expect Ezra to replace Al next.
It’s weird how the daytime line-up on MSNBC is so much more diverse than the primetime line-up.
I used to on occasion catch Ed Schultz, but after the 2010 midterms declaration, I stopped cold turkey. I basically only saw the show in clip format. So the movement of his show doesn’t really bother me.
I’ve weaned myself off political opinions shows and primarily get my news and such from the interwebs or article reading.
As for Chris Hayes, I’ve don’t watch Up and I can do with or without him. I do like MHP, but never watch either show. I don’t wake up early on the weekends.
Good post Booman, appreciated.
The Tea Partiers should be a Democratic constituency. Many of them drifted off the reservation as Reagan Democrats. Democrats represent these people’s real interests. If Democrats could draw their attention away from the bright shiny cultural stuff the GOPs keep trolling past them, it should be possible to pull some of them away. Ed Schultz can talk to these people. Ezra Klein, Chris Hayes, or even my beloved Rachel can’t.
I agree that Ed serves an important role in connecting with the workers, and that the rest of the MSNBC crew tackles the Progressive issues in an intelligent and thought provoking manner, but one of the things that I think Democrats/Progressives need to do in order to truly expand their group is to bridge the gap between Progressives and Libertarians.
It always amazes me when I listen to Thom Hartmann interviewing Libertarian Conservatives, or when I talk to Libertarian Conservative friends, at how much the two sides really have in common. We believe in personal freedoms and individual responsibility, and American exceptionalism, but the key difference is that Progressives understand the role that a strong government can have in protecting those individual rights, whereas the Libertarian Conservatives have been brainwashed into believing that anything related to the government is socialism and therefore is inherently evil and must be privatized. But that’s just going from the frying pan to the fire.
Unfortunately, the last few years in particular the Libertarians have been overrun by Tea Partyists that have sought shelter from the failed policies of the Republican party’s Corporate Fascism and into the waiting arms of more Corporate Fascism in disguise.
However, Libertarian Conservatives (nee Republicans) today are more like the kids on the playground that are losing so they take their ball and go home.
Should Republicans ever return to power, they will not “drown the government in a bathtub” as Grove Norquist would like; instead they’ll just use the government as a tool to impose themselves on people’s individual rights, take away the progress over the last 140 years and grant more power to Corporations.
This is why Progressives need to reach out to true Libertarian Democrats and help them realize that we’re really not that far apart, and help to divide that bloc. You won’t be able to convince the hardcore Libertarian/Tea Partyists, but you can thin the herd.