I am going to get myself in trouble talking about Chris Christie and New Jersey. First, you have to understand what it was like for a New Jerseyan to see the damage caused by Hurricane Sandy, particularly down at the shore. I don’t know what to compare it to, except maybe to how New Yorkers (and New Jerseyans) felt when the Twin Towers were suddenly missing from the Manhattan skyline. Maybe if Fenway Park were lifted up and thrown into Boston Harbor, then Bostonians would know how it felt.
So, when Governor Christie started his “Stronger Than the Storm” ad campaign, it was a very feel-good moment. There he was, down at the shore, assuring us that we are going to rebuild it, that we’d get through it, that we were strong enough to overcome the devastation. It’s what we wanted to hear. It’s what we needed to hear. And it made everyone, including Christie’s ardent political opponents, feel more favorably disposed to him. He wasn’t talking about birth certificates and ACORN and Solyndra and Benghazi. He was working with the administration to get shit done.
That’s what Charles Pierce doesn’t get. But he’d feel the same way about Governor Mitt Romney if he was rebuilding Fenway Park. That’s why so many self-described liberals voted for Christie. But it’s also why the ad campaign was ethically dubious. Because it was financed with federal disaster-relief dollars. And Rand Paul is correct to raise questions about the appropriateness of a politician appearing in those kinds of ads in an election year. I think Paul opposes the ads regardless of who appears in them, because his tiny brain cannot understand the valuable role of marketing in reviving a destroyed tourism industry. But I agree with him that Christie got an unfair advantage in his reelection campaign by featuring himself and his family in feel-good advertisements that he didn’t have to finance.
Apparently, New York State has a law that would have prohibited Gov. Andrew Cuomo from appearing in the same kinds of ads. That sounds like a good law.
But, regardless, even though I know pretty much every sordid detail of Christie’s sad, pathetic life in public service, I still feel an affinity for him because he is pure Jersey. And because he was the guy in charge when my birth-state got knocked on its ass, and he was the one who told me it would be okay.
People beat up on Jersey all the time, and I think some folks think it makes New Jerseyans defensive. It really doesn’t. We think you’re too stupid to care about your opinion.
Chris Christie’s reelection wasn’t about the Establishment vs. the Tea Party or moderates vs. conservatives or any of that. It’s a small state recovering from total devastation. The election was a family affair. Outsiders don’t understand. Believe me, I live forty miles west of the Delaware River, and no one around here knows how I felt when I saw the damage from the storm. No one around here felt the way I did when I saw Gov. Christie talking about the rebuilding effort and promoting tourism. So, how is someone from hundreds or thousands of miles away going to understand the bond Christie made with New Jerseyans during that time?
They won’t understand it.
But, here’s the thing. New Jerseyans told exit pollsters that they vastly prefer Hillary Clinton to Chris Christie as a presidential candidate. That’s because the love affair with Christie only extends so far. It’s visceral and personal, but it won’t last any longer than New York’s love affair with Rudy Giuliani lasted after the thousandth time he evoked his leadership on 9/11.
When you are there for people in a crisis, those people will be there for you in your time of need.
For a while.
Until you milk that cow dry.
According to this article – http://www.northjersey.com/columnists/Stile_Christies_strategy_of_wooing_key_Democrats_pays_off_big.
html – Christie’s reelection campaign started before Sandy. He knew how the gears turned in NJ and he greased them, but he did it above board and in a straightforward manner. Reached out to Dems and funded projects that were important to them. Gotta give him credit for that. But that’s totally irrelevant to the national issues. Maybe he can visualize the bridge from NJ to the WH – I can’t.
Actually, I think greasing the gears that need greasing is a skill that will help enormously in moving him toward the White House.
I really hope his fellow Republicans take him down.
Spending money to get the support of various constituencies is the exact opposite of what the R’s are all about these days. It may work in NJ, but how does that translate at the national level?
I would just add regarding the general lack of an impression made by Sandy in SE PA that it did freakishly little damage here, considering what happened down the shore. Our power didn’t even go off, and the basement didn’t flood like it did with Irene.
Did Christie actually do a good job as Governor during the emergency, or did he just do a good job managing his image during the emergency?
Anyone have any good examples of politicians who made a difference during an emergency and took the high road about it afterwards? That would be rather unpolitician-like eh?
Christie managed Sandy to his advantage. He proved to America he is not George Bush with a Brownie doin a heck of a job. Can anyone remember who was the governor of TX, MS, LA, Al, or FL during the BP spill? But whenever Sandy is mentioned Christie’s has a win.
He managed it publicity-wise. As far as preparations before, and judicious spending afterward, not so much. In other words, Sandy helped Chris Chritie, but he didn’t really help the victims of Sandy very much.
Chris Christie’s fat ass has to survive to November 2016 to get elected.
That’s another 3 years away.
I’m not too worried about him.
Yet.
I dunno about that.
Giuliani had a nasty front. A prosecutor’s snarl.
A curled lip disdain for “wrongdoers,” even though he did “wrong” enough himself.
The Bernie Kerik thing.
His whole “mistress” routine.
Giuliani came off as a “Do what-I-say-not-what-I-do” kind of asshole. Christie comes off as more of an overweight, maybe overly assertive next-door neighbor w/a heart of gold.
Perception is everything in U.S. celebrity politics. Put very simply, people didn’t like Giuliani. They do…by and large…”like” Christie.
That’s what it’s all about here in 2013, Booman.
Deal wid it.
AG
Jersey doesn’t travel.
I know.
But Giuliani had that amazing moment after 9/11 when he said, in response to a question about what the final number of losses would be, “It will be more than we can bear” — and then proceeded to make clear that we would bear it nonetheless.
That carried him for a long time, until it didn’t. He not only milked the cow dry, he beat it about the head and shoulders with a lead pipe and then stuck his thumb in the cow’s eye for good measure.
It never lasted for Mr. 9/11. NY’ers were sick of him before 9/11 and his actions right after, trying to sneak in a 3rd term, were stopped dead in their tracks.
iirc, 9/11/01 was the NYC mayoral primary election day and Giuliani was not running. He served out his term during the remaining months of 2001 and Bloomberg was inaugurated in Jan 2002.
Didn’t he also flirt with and then declined to run for the Senate in 2000?
yes, like Giuliani. l like your phrasing about milking the cow
“I don’t know what to compare it to, except maybe to how New Yorkers (and New Jerseyans) felt when the Twin Towers were suddenly missing from the Manhattan skyline. “
Yes, you just reminded me. In the couple of days immediately after 9/11, that is how I felt about Giuliani. And I have to emphasize, under normal conditions I loathe Giuliani.
Within a matter of days he reverted to the prick that he is, and more so; he even floated the idea of postponing the upcoming election in November, as his mayoralty was about to end. That idea was not well received.
Fortunately for Christie, he was looking forward to another run.
I grew up in New Jersey so I understand a lot of the Jersey persona. Interesting fact: I went to grade school in Glen Gardner (then pop ~750) with Leonard Lance, the current Rep for NJ 7th Cong District. He was three years behind me so I don’t have a strong memory of him. He has a twin brother. They were slight boys and frequently dressed in an identical fashion. He came from a political family so he knows the game. I haven’t seen much discussion of him vis-a-vis the TP/Establishment dynamics but he would be someone in the crosshairs of the fight. Definitely someone who prefers the ‘quiet rooms’ of a Romney. Has broken with the Repub caucus on enviro issues. He has beaten back some TP challengers but his redrawn district is slightly more red. Better general but sketchier primary? I don’t know.
Another interesting fact: The seventh and eighth grades of Glen Gardner Elementary School (so Leonard missed the bus as too young!) was on a field trip to the United Nations in New York City….on November 22, 1963.
Much later I realized that was the symbolic beginning of corporate domination of our world.
And when I finally saw Obama, I realized we had turned a major corner.
OK, enough Jersey revery. Back to Christie.
The Republican scene is so toxic that anyone out front stands to find some lead in their butt. I just don’t see, as you have so accurately pointed to, Christie playing well with a lot of the fellow Repugs, especially down south. And if he were to make it out of the primary process, his past darkness will definitely catch up to him.
Much later I realized that was the symbolic beginning of corporate domination of our world.
No it wasn’t. For that you want Sarajevo, or earlier.
Why would corporate America want JFK whacked? It wasn’t like he was going to declare property to be theft, or call on us to expropriate the expropriators… What did this act get them that they weren’t getting anyways?
Reduction of profits related to Vietname and Israel?
Actually it goes deeper, he was beginning to cut the FED outa the inflate the money supply game for it’s private bank owners.
Kennedy was having the US Treasury print United states Notes, and the owners of the FED which prints Federal Reserve Notes didn’t like the competition.
Some of the United States Notes were in circulation before Kennedy’s Dallas Murder, and they all disappeared after …..
Given all the corruption in international banking that is coming to light today, one might see how much money Kennedy’s actions could have cost the masters of the universe in his day.
Your use of the word “sheeple” is tongue-in-cheek, right?
Sigh.
No, Ulysses. It is not.
Sigh.
AG
I think Jersey needs to be more broadly defined. We have one of the most diverse populations of any state in the USA. And in the western part of the state is horse country with eventing in a major way.
My county, Hudson, voted for Buono
http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/cgi-bin/election.pl
I think both Sandy and WTC were experienced differently by people who weren’t here when they happened as is understandable in such situations. I guess I won’t go into that too much more now [the first comment I wrote got lost in cyberspace anyway]. But as far as Christie goes, I was happy to see him turn on Mitt. Other than that, as I said, our county voted for Buono. I don’t think it’s fair to NJ to call Christie typical Jersey. I’ve done a couple projects that bring me close to NJians of varying walks of life. Christie is a bully. it’s unfair to the many diverse and fine ppl of this state to call him typical Jersey.
How do you explain Christie’s smashing win in the rest of the State?
Several factors, among them that there was no campaigning for Buono at all. I saw absolutely nothing, no signs, no ads, no telephone calls. Even I practically didn’t recognize her name on the ballot because I had never even heard of the Lt gov candidate printed next her name. Others mentioned this lack of campaigning on other threads as well as Christie’s deals with dems, etc. NJ gov is alot about alternatives and mostly it was perceived there wasn’t one. but ppl voted OTOH and there was alot of GOTV because of local contests in my area at least, I don’t know about downstate, so ppl were voting. [also was quite a bit of GOTV for Cory Booker; saw absolutely nothing for his opponent]
I should look at the numbers for downstate, etc, turnout in Newark,Camden etc.
As far as supporting Buono goes, it was probably a good idea not to waste resources opposing Christie because Buono could not have won against him imo. When he gets more in the public eye, more scrutiny, he’ll collapse. There are all the factors mentioned why Romney didn’t select him to begin with.
Could be that Christie and Sandy had some impact on the ocean counties; for us it was our mayor who got Barack Obama and the national guard here to rescue ppl still trapped in their houses days after the storm hit. (we’re at sea level and the water had no place to go) We were among the hardest hit locales, but I was living in an office bldg that had not lost power in NY preparing for an out of town presentation. they told everyone who could to leave town until electricity was restored and many did.
“Too late to prepare another tomato”?? Get a grip, AG. 2016 is three years away.
This time in 2005 nobody outside a few politicos were talking about Barack Obama as White House material, and even they were talking 2012 or 2016, not 2008.
A lot can happen in three years. Check the tabloids next time you’re in line at the supermarket, and ask yourself how many of those ever-so-familiar first names were known to anyone three years ago. Half? Less?
US national politics isn’t much different.
This time in 2005 those “few politicos” as we might laughingly call them had Obama on the fast track. Bet on it. Look at the funding.
Please!!! A veritable roundup of PermaGov makers and shakers.
Also…this is 2013, not 2005. Things move much faster now. The whole internet news cycle thing propels people to prominence at lightspeed. Of course…it can bring them down, too but the amount of money that Christie assembled for his re-(
s)election…$6.2 million in above the table money and who knows how much under the table…plus the constant corporate media drumbeat about his ascendancy to the White House speak of a serious fix in progress. The amount of Dem money…big time Dem money, so-called “liberal” Dem money like George Soros et al…speaks of a fix being prepared in plain sight!!! They have gotten so confident that the sleeple will simply accept whatever they are forcefed by the media that they are just laying it all out on the table. No slow buildup like Obama’s rise. Here it is, IN YOUR FACE AND WHATCHOO GONNA DO ABOUT IT, PUNKS!!!Shameless.
I don’t know if this is anti-Clinton money, anti-extreme right wing money trying to stabilize the Ratpublican party, insurance against the unforeseen…such as Hillary Clinton’s age, health and real intentions…or inside money that knows something we don’t know yet, but I do know this. Some very heavy hitters are betting on Christie for something.
Watch.
My own bet?
If the Republican center manages to right their boat within a year or so…if they successfully further demonize their right wing demons like Cruz and Paul…he runs as a Republican. Either he or Hillary Clinton will take a dive…probably Hillary, because I don’t really believe she wants the tsuris of four presidential years at her age. But if not? If the real righties take over the Republican Party or if a serious third party arises combining the serious right and serious left? He switches parties on a deal w/Hillary. He runs as vice-president for one term and then takes over.
It’s all right out there, Booman. Of course as my lovely grandmother used to say, “There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip.” But the big-time money and hype is flowing his way. Follow the money to the coronation. Watch.
AG
The “smart money” was on Romney too. 10 figures in the end. The real issue is they have that kind of money they can throw away when the smart money goes on the dumb bastards.
Really smart money fixes a fight like this:
1-They get a controlling interest in both fighters. That is paramount No control, no fix. There are different ways to control people, of course, especially at different levels. But they all cost money.
2-They build up both fighters. Again, different build-ups for different levels. In the fight game they match the fighters up with sure losers…often losers who are also under their control. That is part of what just happened in NJ w/Christie. His opponent didn’t have a chance. She was “under the control” of Dem money, and it didn’t appear in large enough quantities to get the job done even if she had the political talent and image to succeed in said job. Which of course she didn’t. UH oh!!!
3-They simultaneously create a media campaign for both fighters. Money talks, nobody doesn’t report.
4-Just to be sure, they buy judges and referees. The bought ones are of course instructed not to make it look too one-sided, because that would fuck up the next fix.
5-Then they have a little talk with one or both of the fighters. “Say listen, Spike. If you lose this one we’ll triple your purse and we’ll give you a chance to win the championship on down the road. Oh…and if you fuck up we’ll kill you. Your opponent is already in on this…let’s make it in the 8th round by a left hook, OK? Gotta make it look look good, don’cha know.” Or alternatively, they don’t. The designated loser is so bad that no talk is necessary except maybe to the designated winner so’s he’ll carry the loser some number of rounds.
6-Then they bet up the loser’s side…not as much as the winner’s side of course, plus they own most of the bookies so they get a slice off the top of all betting. Looks like close fight by the betting numbers? Everybody wants in on the long action. Except of course the wiseguys who know what’s really up.
And then?
And then they sit back and watch.
Bet on it.
They did.
“A piece of tissue the size of a pinhead.”
Perfect.
Priceless.
WTFU.
AG
The analogy holds only to a point. I know I was totally torn up when Galveston – where I lived for several years – was all but destroyed by Hurricane Ike in 2008. Especially since – unlike natural disasters within walking distance of network headquarters – it was national news for about 24 hours, then pretty much forgotten.
But when Rick Perry came though, saying all the right things and promising that the island would rebuild – and it has – I still never saw him as anything but a pandering asshole.
And yes, he accepted federal aid money for that, as he has for a number of things – so long as it’s real estate developers, not poor bla people, who benefit. Pandering hypocritical asshole.
Nothing to say about how Bergen County democrats helped re-elect Christie??
why are democrats voting for Christie? A.) he lowered property taxes, (always a good move for property owners) B.) as posted upstream, he worked deals with democrats.
regarding exit polling, NJ is just one state; polling there doesn’t mean a lot.
How does a governor lower property taxes? I thought that setting the property tax mill rate was something done lower down the food chain, by towns or townships or cities….
yes, in my part of the state they are set by the city.
“How does a governor lower property taxes?”
I dunno, ask NPR; they reported this one day last week.
are you implying democratic voters in NJ voted for Christie for no reason?
you fucked the margins with an html coding foul-up. I want to fix it but I can’t without erasing your comment. Can you save your code and repost?
Which post? Me? The margins seem to be working on my computer. Maybe it’s fixed already?
AG
I live here. Pierce is right. If “liberals” can’t see through the BS they are hopeless.
The whole thing boils down to three things.
One he was George Bush with a microphone on the rubble (recorded and replayed at taxpayer expense). He didn’t do much for the state but was able to portray himself as someone who actually cared.
Two, there was a lot of quid pro quo with sleazy democratic leaders (some above board, some definitely not) that led these leaders to betray their party and their state.
Three, the national and state party apparatus did zero. Right up to Barack Obama. Buono may not have won, but she could have made it a race with support. When you get outspent 6 to 1, (not counting the free federal ads Christie got– that made it 8 to 1). You have no chance. When the President (who is in your party) is appearing with your opponent, you have no chance. When the party leaders, including a person running for Senate, don’t appear with you until the end, you have no chance.
Democrats were basically cowards for not putting up a fight with another coward (Chris the bully). Avoiding the fight made the problem bigger (Munich, 1938).
I’ve had people say to me we should set an example to the Tea party and show we can co-operate with Christie. But I hope the left can and make his the rest of his political life a living hell. We should start by targeting the corrupt “democrats” who serve him. Sweeney, Norcross, DiVincenzo, et. al. should have property of Chris Christie tattooed on their heads in every ad against them. (I realize George Norcross doesn’t hold office, but that doesn’t mean you can’t campaign against him).
Perhaps fifty years from now and thanks to Buono, New Jersey will grow fewer bullies and residents will have ended their love affair with them:
From Buono’s Wikipedia entry.
State org should have supported Buono more, if only to position her to run again next time. But thinking about it [my reply downthread] I think state org put everything into Cory Booker campaign, another way Christie benefitted himself by moving the senate election. and I think state org made the right choice. As i said I saw no signs and received no mailers or telephone calls, contrast with the reams of mailers for local election and ballot question and for Cory Booker and multiple telephone calls.[previous comment disappeared into cyberspace – and alas it was better written; is there a problem with the site today? ]
Booker didn’t need the help.