Olivia Nuzzi is personally offended that college students and faculty at Smith University and Rutgers University have successfully nixed the scheduled commencement speakers at their respective graduation ceremonies. At Smith, the scheduled speaker was Christine Lagarde, who heads of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). At Rutgers, the scheduled speaker was former National Security Adviser and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice. Here’s the crux of Ms. Nuzzi’s beef:
The entire point of college is to be exposed to different things: Different types of people, different ideas—and maybe some of those people will hail from organizations that negatively impacted poor countries, or maybe they were partly responsible for a war that ate up the country’s resources and resulted in human rights abuses and lots of needless death. But if, at the end of your time as an undergrad, you haven’t learned that oftentimes you find great wisdom in shitty people, or just that there might be some value in hearing what someone you don’t like or respect might have to say, what on earth have you learned?
Nuzzi’s basic take on this is that young people are insulating themselves from news and views with which they disagree and that a college campus is supposed to be a place for open debate.
Millennials have grown up in a world where you are never forced to see, hear or read anything that you haven’t personally selected. 7,000 TV channels, a DVR to skip commercials, millions of websites—we have been able to curate our own little worlds using technology, wherein nothing unpleasant or offensive can creep in.
My take on this is a little different. It would indeed be a shame if students and faculty began using ever-more restrictive litmus tests for what kind of views can be expressed on campus. At the same time, I think there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Smith College President Kathleen McCartney said that an invitation to give a commencement address is not an endorsement of the invitee’s views. That’s basically true, but what if the invitee is David Duke or Ted Nugent or Donald Trump? If the speaker is spewing hate and lies, inviting them to speak is in some sense an endorsement of that hate and those lies.
I admit that this is an invisible line that can lead to a slippery slope. After all, Duke served in the Louisiana legislature for three years, Nugent has had a successful career in music and as a hunting advocate on television, and Trump is one of country’s most famous businessmen. It’s not like they have no wisdom to offer college graduates. It’s just that their views on race are so odious and that a polite society should shun them rather than give them fat checks and honorary degrees.
There’s a lot of angst in this country right now about this line between free speech and open debate, on the one hand, and shunning on the other. Shunning is a political tool that is used to define certain beliefs as unacceptable. Right now, we’re seeing this with gay marriage and we’re also seeing it with race (e.g., Donald Sterling, Paula Deen). What the students and faculty at Rutgers are trying to do is to define the decision to invade Iraq as a criminal act rather than just some issue that is up for debate. What the students and faculty at Smith are trying to do is to raise awareness about the fact that there is widespread opposition to the way the International Monetary Fund operates.
Ms. Nuzzi doubts that this “will have some kind of measurable effect on how people think about the IMF,” but here she is writing about it for The Daily Beast. In truth, anyone who reads about this story will want to know what exactly the IMF has done to arouse such passionate protest. And then they will learn something that they would otherwise not know.
Personally, I would sign a petition to keep Condi Rice from speaking at a commencement but I would not sign a petition to do the same for Christine Lagarde. That’s because I regard one as a war criminal and the other as the head of an organization that I have some concerns about. I’d like to hear a debate about the role the International Monetary Fund plays in the world. I’d like to see a trial at The Hague for Condi Rice. There’s a difference.
But I understand that making the IMF into something controversial is key for those who want it to be reformed. As a political act, opposing Lagarde’s speech was smart. That doesn’t mean that Smith’s administration should have caved, though. I think they were cowards.
Condi Rice, however, should be held to account for her crimes. Until that happens, giving her money and honorary degrees and acting like she can be an edifying example to college graduates is sending the message that what we did in Iraq was okay. It wasn’t even close to okay.
As a nation, we just want to move on. I am proud that there are people at Rutgers with the conscience to say, “We’re not moving on.”
One aspect of the speech-shunning is that the students are pretty much a captive audience. If you want to see Condi Rice or someone controversial speak, go for it, but make it of your own choosing, not as a big part of an important day in your life and the lives of hundreds of others.
Graduation Day is a major event, and should be uplifting and inspiring. Characters like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent can be described by some as “entertainment” but they’re hardly uplifting. I wouldn’t want to have to sit through Rice’s blather just to get my diploma at the end.
It’s not about limiting what kinds of views can be expressed on campus.
Nor is it merely about being “exposed to different views.” It is pretty pathetic for a university to claim that their students can go through college without being exposed to different views in the work they do for their degrees. If that’s really the case, what kind of education have they just received?
So the rising meritocracy is not getting enough exposure to the views of the Überclass? Those defending the rejected speakers have got their logic backwards.
If it is true that students choose to avoid listening to such stuff, they may have good reason for it. But any time they might want to, or get an assignent to, listen to Condi Rice, they can do so within seconds by beaming her up on the Intertubes.
What Smith College President Kathleen McCartney said, that an invitation to give a commencement address is not an endorsement of the invitee’s views, may be true technically or legally. But such an invitation is certainly an endorsement of the invitee, because it confers a great honor. How else can you justify the institution’s willingness to provide a fee, which is known, for good reason, as an HONORARIUM (etymologically, “bearing honor”.) Because of the honor they confer, such fees are normally rather small. In this case the fees are very hefty. So this involves something far beyond just “speech on campus”.
The rejection means that a significant portion of the university already knows the speaker’s views, and deems the person that holds those views, that has acted on those views and rationalizes those actions through speech — unworthy of such an honor. It’s not like Condi Rice represents a “still, small voice” that never gets heard in the land.
well more than the fee it’s the honorary degree. the commencement speaker is endorsed by the college/ university in that they award the speaker (and usually 4 or 5 others) honorary degrees. as others point out, it’s not like the person is invited to campus to give a talk that may be controversial and that students have the option of attending or not; or, more constructively perhaps a series of speeches and panels about controversial subjects with educational purpose – whether or not there’s a fee. commencement speaker is honored by the college/ university, not just invited.
Thanks for the correction. It makes my point even stronger.
Yes, ordinarily universities have a committee (faculty and students presumably) to select honorary degree recipients, foremost of which will be commencement speaker. The recipients are chosen sometimes because they contributed significantly to the university (major donations to the university or to a field of research or arts, famous alumni, etc) but they all are selected to represent what the university envisions as its most important traits. this “free speech” nonsense about the students getting a speaker disinvited is just that, nonsense. the commencement speaker is being honored by the university. Sometimes the university president overrides the committee and in those overrides can backfire. even if the unwanted speaker does make it commencement, there’s always the student speeches for response, or faculty boycotting, etc etc.
The thing that Nuzzi leaves out is that we are talking about commencement speeches here, not academic talks, guest lectures or whatever. In a society with few social rituals, commencement is one of the most important days in these students’ lives. It’s THEIR day. They sat through speeches they didn’t want to hear for four years. Wanting to have a say on who speaks at their commencement is entirely appropriate.
But real people living real lives doesn’t have any connection to Nuzzi’s sense of how the world should work.
Nice line-up of invitees for commencement presentations: Condoleezza “Chevron” Rice and Christine Lagarde of the IMF. Quite lucky she replaced DSK in 2013. Only the US has veto power over decisions.
Earlier an invitation for a convocation and honorary degree @Brandeis was withdrawn for Islamophobe Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Why are all these right-wing politicians invited as quests anyway? The Universities stand accused of beimg a progressive bulwarks …
Does anyone pay attention to the censorship at universities of US policy vs Palestinians? Many organizations are playing hard-ball.
Future travel plans of the leadership under Bush, make sure one gets special immunity ahead of time or you will be holed up like Assange and Snowden …
○ Israeli minister Tzipi Livni given diplomatic immunity for UK visit
The slippery slope is the most meaningless of logical fallacies.
It’s the “Norway Rat” exhibit in Brian Yoder’s Fallacy Zoo.
In case anyone was wondering, I’ve been to a zoo (in Talinn, Estonia) that had the Norway Rat as an exhibited animal.
Good God, this isn’t their education, it’s the commencement address. Of course a college education should challenge your beliefs, expose you to other points of view. That’s what all the classes are for. If you’ve made it all the way to the commencement address without ever being challenged, it’s a little too late to make up for it by hiring Condi Rice.
This post and the fab comments thoroughly demolish the arguments of this Nuzzi character and reveal them as rank intellectual dishonesty. The students apparently have been thoroughly “exposed” to the views (and records) of both these members of the failed power elite, and already know they reject them. Hence their protests. Nor do they see either of them as particularly admirable or virtuous persons whose expoundings on morality or the good life are something the kids need to sit thru. It’s their fucking day, for god’s sake.
Condi in particular should get the hell out of the “honorary address” money circuit pronto. You blew that opportunity, girl. If you can’t understand why, then you should take a goddam class from the students you want to exhort to goodness. Stick to fleecing the imbecile rightwing groups like your husban…er, your Prez and his demonic VP do. You’re outside the bounds of polite society, sorry to say.
That’s because there are a lot of people who either haven’t been exposed to, failed to comprehend, or just plain DGAF about Civics.
Nuzzi’s phrase says it all: “great wisdom in shitty people”. That’s hilarious.
It’s not always easy to find great wisdom in great people, living people who are doing remarkable things. I’ve spent decades reading, listening and searching for great wisdom. Not once in my recollection did I ever profit from or find something uniquely worthwhile from a “shitty person”. In fact, just the opposite: the banality of evil.
And I like using that term about the banality of evil because I think it is an accurate assessment of Rice’s part in the Iraq invasion, torture and other crimes of the Bush administration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem
I guess Nuzzi feels that “shitty people” don’t get enough access to speak? Well, what about wise AND good people who never get access to that kind of forum?
Perhaps Nuzzi needs to found a new advocacy group for “shitty people”. Yes, I admire her tenacity for her work to defend “shitty people”.
After 4 years of academic work which should have exposed the grads to all kinds of ideas, a “shitty person” at the graduation ceremony is hurts the day and doesn’t help it.
Yeah, I puzzled over that nugget, too. I suppose examples can be found, but as some sort of universal axiom of truth I think it fails.
There must be some great writers who were objectively shitty people, but none are really coming to mind right now. One often advanced example of the bad man/great artist is Richard Wagner, but no one thinks his (anti-semitic) writings (as opposed to his music) have any great “wisdom”.
Sounds like just a saying that Nuzzi had to concoct in order to manufacture her contrived point.
Is that by inviting said shitty people to give the commencement address, the university – whether it intends to do so or no – lends a certain credibility to the shitty person. I feel the same revulsion every time a Stanford women’s basketball game is on, and the coverage simply can’t resist having Dr. Rice answer a few questions about how great the Cardinal are, and isn’t Stanford just a wonderful institution of higher education?
That revulsion stems mostly from seeing a war criminal, but it’s also revulsion that she is answering fluffball questions on teevee instead of serving a prison sentence. ESPN or whoever doesn’t have to interview Rice, but they do and every time it adds another layer of ersatz respectability to her. She’s still a shitty person.
Also, as to the notion of the students being exposed to contrary views, I’d be all right with it if there was a talk-back segment. But commencement speakers don’t have to yield back any of their time for any rebuttal. They get to talk for however long they feel like talking, pick up a nice check, and catch the next plane out of town.
Nuzzi is wrong here.
That is the collective media’s party line.
The fact of the matter is that there is almost no content on most of the major media…all media that are one way or another owned or at least controlled by the corporate-owned, PermaGov-controlled world…that does not in one way or another quite accurately (and quite subliminally as well) reflect one of the the approved, official versions of the fake push-and-pull that I like to call “The Big Fix.” Sure there are occasional websites that offer radical opinions in any and all directions, but the 99.9% that we like to call the media? Centrist and societally approving like a motherfucker!!! The result is that most of these so-called millenials have just as narrow a worldview as do every other surviving generation. They reject Condoleeza Rice or Christine Lagarde while accepting Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton as heroes.
Big fucking deal.
Kinder, gentler styles of criminality are OK, I guess.
Also…once again you use the phrase “polite society.” You write that “a polite society should shun” those with odious…odious to you, anyway…views on certain matters. Is a non-racist or or non-sexist moral criminal in some way better than a racist/sexist one? Please!!! This society is not “polite.” It is a vicious, self-perpetuating empire, and anyone or anything that substantially gets in its way is attacked with full force until it is destroyed.
You write:
Fine words, but with a trap door built in.
Your own, leftiness trap door…”ever-more restrictive litmus tests.”
That tacitly…and perhaps quite unconsciously…presupposes agreement with your own, equally media-dictated (leftiness media-dictated in your case) “litmus tests” regarding who or what is or is not acceptable. The right wing of the centrist PermaGov uses the same concept, resulting in an ongoing stalemate between left and right that guarantees the survival of the neither-left-nor-right-wing, only-for-profit-and-the-control-necessary-to-produce-that-profit Deep State/corporate-owned-and-controlled PermaGov.
As Lenny Bruce so accurately defined the problem of censorship on a more basic level:
I personally think that the “Oh-so-concerned!!!” students at those schools should have welcomed the chance to absolutely disrupt the blatherings of Rice and Lagarde, but they are too passive, too frightened and too media-controlled to do that. You can turn off certain media if you so wish but you cannot engage in a dialogue with them. The media allow no real participation in terms of demonstration or argument. They are a two-dimensional street. No effective argument is allowed. Like the runup to the Iraq War, the only “choice” is a bogus one, consisting of 14 supposedly “ex” PermaGov figures (CIA, military, political, corporate etc.) hoorah-ing for a bloody war followed by one frowzy little nun or other ineffective “opposition” member mumbling about peace and love. Cut to commercial, rinse and repeat until the country is clamoring for the rockets’ red glare. The choice is not to really fight these centrist media control figures, it is simply to turn to another channel or media and agree with the cooperating media front people on the other side of the two-dimensional PermaGov aisle.
Which is exactly the choice that these millennial students made.
Why?
Afraid of the police? The thought police, the “You-won’t-find-work-in-this-difficult-economy-if-you-mess-with-us” police, the “Don’t tase me, bro!!!” police?
Damned right they are, and with good reason. They have been fed the inevitability of the dominance of PermaGov forces since they first were old enough to gawp at childrens’ media. The “good guys” always win, don’tcha know. All real opposition or demonstration is fated to lose. Look at the media coverage of the “Occupy” movement for all the evidence that you need on that account. Look into the minds of those protestors and you would see that they had already accepted the inevitability of losing, thus the melting-away at Zuccotti Square and elsewhere once the police showed their ugly heads. Revolutions don’t happen that way. Bet on it. And “revolution” of some sort is what is needed here. Did the civil rights marchers fade away? Did MLK Jr.? Did Gandhi? No. They took their lumps in the belief that there was a better way ahead. That kind of belief has been trance media-ed away from this generation from early childhood.
Further:
They make their “commencement speeches” on the other side of this two-dimensional universe. Bet on that as well. The fact that Donald Trump’s plasticized face is even recognizable to most Americans speaks to that fact. The result is that two sides of a three-dimensional conflict are thoroughly convinced that they are the only sides that exist. Meanwhile the third side…the controllers’ side, the creatures behind the curtains…remains in complete control.
Until a large swath of the population wakes up to that fact, we are going nowhere except deeper into the media honeytrap.
As Nuzzi said:
Translation?
Sure.
It’s all Fax News, really. They get their talking points and then they talk them. End of story.
End of day?
On to the next day.
Groundhog Day for real!!!
Station WTFU signing off.
And…have a great day.
Jes’ like yesterday.
Bullshit.
Later…
AG
P.S. You also write:
You mean you think that you…and the leftiness media in general…do not use the same “shunning” tool for your own ends? After all of the hoo-haw bullshit that I have seen here and elsewhere regarding the Pauls? C’mon, Booman. You’re smarter than that.
As a progressive, I absolutely wish to participate in getting our society and voting electorate to shun the racism, sexism and servility to oligarchs and corporations that the Paul movement represents.
AG, I know that you believe that unemployment insurance and other social programs sap people’s initiative. I wish to prevent your morally flawed view from continuing its forward march through our way of life. Moral shunning is an appropriate means to that end. True shunning would have our fellow Frog Ponders refusing to engage with you. As you’re well aware, we engage with you plenty, you call us stupid, and the world continues its rotations.
I know that you really believe that, centerfielddj. But you cannot prove it, because as I wrote here recently in another comment, there are no facts anymore. Just opinions about conflicting “facts” as touted by various media. The winners write the final, most widely accepted version of the facts, and life goes on.
If the Pauls lose…and there is long road of Paulism ahead before they can be considered “losers” because Rand is only 51 years old and if he’s anything like his father he will persevere for a long, long time while the faults in the existing PermaGov fix structure keep getting deeper and deeper…but if and when the tenets of Paulism lose then the winners will write them off just as you have done. If they come to power someday and fail, ditto or worse. And if their vision proves as prophetic as was that of FDR? (You know, he too was denounced by his opposition as a wrong-headed dreamer.) If that happens? Then it will be the supporters of BigGov who are cast as the villains.
We should all live long enough to find out.
AG
Forced birthers = sexism. As a woman, I get that. It’s proof. Pathetic that you don’t.
Ta-Nihisi Coates
Then he nails those like you twisting themselves into pretzels denying the sexism and racism of the Pauls:
And that makes you look like a fourteen year old girl screaming at a teeny-bop rock concert.
We need a redeemer, marie2.
We need someone who will “cut through the dishonest pablum of horse-races and sloganeering and speak directly to Americans.”
We need a “prophet onto the people, who will be better than the people themselves.”
The realization of those needs…and the realization that Ron Paul, however flawed he may have been, was the only presidential candidate of the last 22 years (save perhaps Howard Dean, who met a similar fate as did Ron Paul at the non-personing hands of the media)…are the basis for my support of that movement.
Yes, Ron Paul mismanaged that newsletter. If he had continued to mismanage his political life in the same manner he would not have experienced the success that he has enjoyed in building a political machine that scares the bejesus out of the PermaGov-allied parties.
He grew.
Would that I could say that for the rest of us.
For Coates to say that Paul’s “take on the Civil War is at home with Lost-Causers” is ludicrous.
First of all, using the term “Lost-Causers” is about as precise as using the terms “assholes” or “flakes.” “Lost-Causers?” Which ones? Those who believe in the possibility of a better, more representative form of government? Those who believe in the primacy of The Golden Rule? Those who believe that there is something seriously wrong with a system that trumpets post-racialism’s success, mounting overwhelmingly dominant images of that supposed success…including a “post-racial” president that was sold as proof of the idea while in actuality being just another mind-control image… on its media system while simultaneously using the very minorities that it is claiming to be “equal” as minimum wage slaves and disposable foot soldiers in its World Cop patrol?
Secondly, what is Ron Paul’s take on the Civil War?
C’mon.
In his own words on Meet The Press, Dec. 2007:
Are these the words of a slavering racist who is seeking to prolong racism? I don’t believe they are. Was Lincoln “wrong?” I guess not. His side won, so of course he was correct. Had Germany won WWII we would be having the same arguments about Hitler’s “rightness.”
That “Meet The Press” interview is very enlightening. First of all, Tim Russert’s many attacks on Paul…all foofaraw and bluster, as is his well=perfected style…were splendid examples of how the centrist media handles anybody who is not down with its program. Despite the virtuosic bullying of Russert, Ron Paul makes a great deal of sense regarding his views on using economic tools and states’ rights as effective weapons against the PermaGov sprawl that he believes is bringing this country to it knees.
Here’s what he has to say about the evils of Big Government (emphases mine):
And here…sigh…here once again is what he has to say regarding racism.
As I am sure that you will, go ahead and kneejerk all you want regarding the coming change. Slowly but surely the truths of the matter are appearing. Big Gov is now almost totally in failure mode. It doesn’t take a 14 year old girl screaming at a teeny-bop rock concert to figure that out. If someone from the left emerges as an analogue to the Pauls…and again I would be very happy to see Elizabeth Warren stand up and be counted before it’s too goddamned late although it appears she is not going to do so…if someone like that appears, a real, practically possible candidate…I would be glad to listen.
So far?
Ain’t happening.
So it goes.
Later…
AG
P.S. Check out Randolph Bourne (referred to above by Ron Paul) here and here, and here.
Another now-forgotten American prophet like Robinson Jeffers.
But Ron Paul hasn’t forgotten him.
Neither have I forgotten Robinson Jeffers. Here is one of his most powerful prophecies.
Once again:
“But for my children, I would have them keep their distance from the thickening
center; corruption
Never has been compulsory,”
Yup.
There it is.
There are always the mountains.
When the clever servants and insufferable masters begin to rule the ever-thickening center, there are always the mountains.
Be well, marie2.
You’re gonna need all the wellness you can muster, as are we all.
Redeemer Ron/Rand Paul? — excuse me while I ROTFLMAO — Not that I agree that “we need a redeemer.” But if, a giant if, that is what’s needed, she/he would have to be a lot smarter and wiser and possess authentic humanitarian moral and ethical principles. The Pauls are grifters for primarily stupid white men.
Paul makes an argument that is itself questionable: Could we have avoided the Civil War?. As for the rest of Paul’s unfortunate history, one must ultimately deal with the accumulated evidence of his actions (see the Ron Paul Megapost for one convenient compilation). The guy, and his son, are not going to be leaders worth following under the circumstances. Better to hold out for the real thing.
Paul’s argument about the Civil War isn’t just questionable, it’s downright moronic. I don’t know why he feels the need to rewrite history, but it sure as hell doesn’t prove he’s not a racist.
Paul’s argument about the Civil War isn’t just questionable, it’s downright moronic.
So are tge people who push this self serving cretin for an office where he could actually do MORE damage to this country than bush the lesser ever did.
Paul has done DAMN little for the citizens of Kentucky since he was elected in 2010, but he certainly has used that office as a spring-board for his white house ambitions.
Note the astonishingly thick skull that includes a reference to states’ rights during an attempt to persuade us that the Paul movement is opposed to racism. I can’t get rid of my amused grin- that’s HILARIOUS.
AG has become the trolliest troll that ever trolled.
My alma mater always uses a distinguished alumni. They give a more personal speech that is more relevant to the grads. 99% of the time that’s what a university should do, as far as I ‘m concerned.
Though I have to admit, having someone like Neil Gaiman give your grad speech would be twelve kinds of awesome.
“Alumni” is plural”. Singular is “alumnus” if male, “alumna” if female.
That is item #45632 on my list of things I do not care about 🙂
That’s what editors are for. I am an editor.
Although Universities are a good place for debate, graduation ceremonies are not the best time for that to occur. In part because the ceremony is meant to be about the graduates, but also because there is rarely a second speaker on equal footing actually debating the issue.
It more than somewhat telling that the Nuzzi didn’t mention Michelle Obama being asked not to give a commencement address in Kansas…
OT, but Jill Abramson, exec ed of the NY Times, was just fired. Her successor, Dean Baquet, will become the first African American to lead the paper. He had been known as a supporter of Abramson.
They say it was “unexpected”, but there was already a lot of sniping in the newsroom, said to be about her personality and management style. To me it’s interesting because during her tenure (2 1/2 years) I thought there was a marginal improvement in the quality of the news and editorials. Nowhere near enough, of course, but noticeable.
very interesting.
hmmmmm. Is she the one that let Nate Silver go / drove him away?
Would agree with your assessment. Marginal in that when they went with Obama admin talking points they didn’t wait for years to walk it back when facts surfaced that refuted those talking points.
Abramson was experienced had demonstrated competence in her prior assignment. She had two handicaps: 1) she’s a woman and 2) her speaking voice is close to fingernails on a chalkboard sounding.
Evidence for my #1 (she’s a woman) from Ken Auletta at: The New Yorker
Would also guess that she was putting in more hours and working harder than Keller did. I’ve been there, more than once, and it was particularly difficult when I barely made enough to cover my modest living costs.
I’m not crying for Abramson. Why? She was Judy Miller’s boss(aka Washington bureau chief) way back when.
Do you have a source for that allegation? It doesn’t appear in the NYMag profile of Ms. Miller. What does:
Note: Howell Raines was the NYTimes Executive Editor until May 2003 and Keller then replaced him. Doubt that Miller ever formally worked for Abramson, but even if she did, her work was never supervised or edited by Abramson. It was Jane Mayer that worked with Abramson.
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○ Profile: Judith Miller
○ Jill Abramson, the Times’ first heiress apparent – NY Mag in 2010
If you compare the IMF to the German ECB, the IMF almost looks progressive.
Nuzzi is a real gas. The implication might even be that Rice and La Garde are shitty people? I guess so. If not, who would she consider a shitty person? She has crashed through a glass ceiling for sleaze. I can’t wait until the IMF gets the USA itself in its claws. Anyway, La Garde will never voluntarily pay one cent of tax on her annual salary of $500,000 or so (not to mention the perqs). Is she shitty? In my opinion…she’s nasty.
Damn right it can be a moral force. It’s going to be one of the few ways that the 99% can take back the commons and government from the rich.
Eventually this is going to have to branch out more from commencement speeches and being CEO to “your money is no good here, Mr. Dimon.”
As usual, I see endless articles talking about my generation’s sense of “entitlement.” Not even worth commenting on.
Tarzie has also a few words with respect to the “free speech” principle in general. As usual, he’s on point. So is Fire Tom Friedman:
Rancid Discussion Thread: Blow Me, Rich Dude.
A Radical Look at Free Speech
Some excerpts:
Hear, hear. I was both skeptical and intrigued when you first started working through your Loomis ideas, but you have me entirely convinced by now. And it’s hard to understand how anyone could read this well-argued, concise piece and not be convinced as well.
It’s mindblowing that people see the Loomis fight as anything else but a fight over whether a specific class of people can say specific things about their specific enemies. That Loomis is going to apparently emerge unscathed means nothing for anyone or anything I care about.
~Fire Tom Friedman
The notion that anyone remotely serious about the condition of the working class would consider for one moment the “rights” of some poor capitalist as ever having been “infringed upon,” much less that some supposed infringement sets a dangerous precedent which must be opposed, is well beyond my comprehension.
~Commenter at Tarzie’s
aulty assumption 2: Free speech is almost always contested at the margins of speech. There are rarely any real heroes in free speech struggles, therefore, you cannot restrict the struggle for free speech to `good guys.’
This is bullshit also, predicated on the deeply conformist notion that contested speech is invariably terrible speech. News of gross infringements on people’s rights fly at us every day, and those infringed are frequently quite nice and sometimes even heroic. But it’s only when infringements affect Loomis’s political class, or people that his class cares about, that we’re reminded of how urgent and universal this shit is and how immaterial is the speech itself.
I don’t recall Crooked Timber’s online petition for the school administrator who was fired from her new job based on sexy emails she had sent from the work computer at her old job. Where were the alarmist tweets from Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Bady, Matt Yglesias, Julian Sanchez, Doug Henwood or Duncan Black when a guy serving three years for burglary got five years added to his sentence for threatening the president and his wife. Where were they when this grandmother got shaken down by police for sending teabag tabs to her public officials?
You could dedicate the rest of your life to fighting for speech rights – the rights of prisoners, the rights of workers, the rights of labor organizers, the rights of whistleblowers, the rights of silenced rape survivors – without ever once having to fill a time lull with some asshole like Loomis or the clowns of Westboro. So let’s quit pretending that, in a world of horror, Loomis’s tiny little career nightmare matters to us for any reason but that sympathetic people with influence — who, not coincidentally, look and sound a whole lot like him — think it should.
~Tarzie
The entire point of college is to be exposed to different things…
I’m kinda thinking that if the students know enough about the person to not want them at graduation, then they’ve already been “exposed to different things”.
what speech from whom is appropriate for whom at a commencement.
For the most part nobody gives a rat’s a$$, unless the speaker is abhorrent to the graduating class.
To the extent a speaker is needed ask the graduating class who they’d like. It’s not like most of these schools don’t have an elected student government.
OBTW … Had someone like Condi showed up at my commencement, oh so many years ago, I’d have pelted her with eggs until I was arrested … for assault.
Speak whatever you want, just don’t force me to sit there and accept you without speechifying recourse.
I think you have this exactly right, Booman. Both the distinction between the two cases, with the Rice rejection the more obviously appropriate; and also the success of the LaGarde rejection bringing to light and provoking conversations re: the role of the IMF that might not otherwise be occurring. Plus the point, why should student/faculty free speech be subjugated to that of an “unindicted co-conspirator” War Criminal?!
I think both Condoleeza Rice and Christine Lagarde should be allowed to speak at any university.
But a commencement address is different from a colloquium on collective security or debt relief.
A commencement address is about the graduates, not the speaker. And if the speaker reflects poorly on the graduates, change her.
It’s sort of about the graduates but it’s really about the university as a whole – see my comment upthread about honorary degrees and selection of those to be honored.