This morning, Ed Kilgore ruminates on the contrast between non-statistical political prognosticators like Stu Rothenberg, Charlie Cook, and (heh) S.E. Cupp, who are very bullish on the Republicans’ prospects in the midterms, and more rigorous analysts at 538, the Election Lab, and The Upshot, who began as Republican bulls but become more bearish everyday. There’s also San Wang of the Princeton Election Consortium who has been bullish on the Democrats from the beginning, and remains so.
The thing to remember here is that if you are going to compare the bias of liberal statisticians to the bias of conservative pundits, the statisticians have a built in advantage in that they are mainly driven by data. They may make assumptions based on “feel” but they are less susceptible to letting their heart determine their predictions. In other words, the statisticians have an anchor that keeps them from sailing very far afield from reality. This is not true for Stu Rothenberg, who just last week allowed himself to get caught up in irrational exuberance.
Both Rothenberg and Cook are well-respected analysts who have a reputation for disinterested prognostication, but they both have a clear record of overestimating the Republicans’ strength. S.E. Cupp is a partisan hack with no demonstrated record of predicting anything accurately.
A long time ago I predicted that the Democrats would win every competitive Senate race. I’ve had to back off of that because the data in Kentucky don’t support that conclusion right now. Unforeseen events in Montana also caused that election to fall out of the competitive category. And, while I was one of the first to realize that Kansas could become competitive, I only foresaw that about a week before it became a reality, and only with the assistance of Sam Wang.
But there were concrete reasons that I thought that Kay Hagan, Jeanne Shaheen, Michelle Nunn, Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu and Mark Begich would win, regardless of what the early polls were saying. And those reasons were a combination of the weakness of opponents and the historical strength of either the candidates or the candidates’ families in their particular states. The Nunn, Pryor, Landrieu, Grimes, and Begich families have a long history in their respective states that gives them strong cross-over appeal. In the case of Landrieu, she has a lot of support from the business community and, as Chairwoman of the Energy Committee, she’s invaluable to the oil and gas industries. In the case of Shaheen, she’s a popular ex-governor with a record of competence free from any whiff of scandal. In the case of Hagan, her opponent is the incredibly unpopular Speaker of the incredibly unpopular North Carolina House. With the exception of Michelle Nunn and Alison Lundergan Grimes, these are also incumbents who have large financial advantages over their opponents.
These are concrete race-specific reasons for favoring the Democrat in the race, and I am not at all surprised that the polls have stubbornly exceeded expectations, even in Kentucky where Grimes has fallen a little bit behind. Those who relied on historical markers or polls about the president’s popularity have been forced to respond to the difference between their expectations and reality, but the statisticians (excepting Wang, who did not rely on those factors) have seen their models move towards reality. Meanwhile, Rothenberg has to explain why the results he predicted and the momentum he observed have become become less likely (in the former case) and proven non-existent (in the latter) in the models.
Good analysis requires a reliance on polling analysts combined not with historical markers but with very race-specific inspection.
If only the Turtle could be defeated….
Seems like the Obama bashing is hurting Grimes. Not surprising in a turnout determined race. I guess she is going for the Appalachian vote, but I think they are now permanently “Christian”.
Don’t count her out. She still has time, and McConnell is especially susceptible to world events turning people against his party, since he is in such a position of responsibility.
Shut down? I’m not sure what else the GOP would take a hit for.
Time, yes. I agree, early days.
However, we do need to remember that the narrative for the election is being determined now. What issues are being laid out in KY by Grimes? This is what should be happening in Sept, defining the issues which will be discussed. Of course, we all know that issues are not a huge part of elections – we pretend they are, but it’s deeper things – like who looks more natural holding a shotgun and other such KYiana.
In Oct, the ads will discuss the issues.
Has Grimes laid out the issues appropriately? And will she be using the ACA? I think that is her winning issue, but does she?
Alison is all-in on Jobs and McConnell being out of touch with Kentucky while McConnell is running on coal and trying to tie Alison to Obama.
You’re making an important mistake in your optimistic predictions: while you might be accurate in saying Hagan, Begich, etc. are all favored to win, that’s very different from saying they’re favored to all win. And, unfortunately, most Democratic politicians still seem to think winning elections is about swaying undecided voters when, for at least 10 years, it’s been about turning out the base. A lot of Dems still seem to be traveling Grimes’ road, and it’s going to hurt them.
Do you mean the “independent” voter when you speak about “swaying the undecided” voter? I have come to doubt that there are many truly undecided voters, and think it’s usually a verbal ploy by said voter. As for the (supposedly reachable) “independent” voter today (to the extent they are not actually closet Repubs), these seem to be some very strange folks who apparently support the policies advocated by Dems, but cannot seem to get on board with actually voting for Dem candidates, for whatever reason.
The reasons for this cannot be that the independent actually thinks the braindead extremist Repub opponent has some good points or proposals and wishes there could be some “compromise” position—Other than oppressing others to impose “traditional” cultural values, Repubs have no proposals other than cutting, laming and paralyzing the gub’mint while expanding the “defense” sector. And they openly boast that they won’t compromise on any of these, as their base despises the term. So for a true “independent”, there’s no longer any “there” there when today’s Repubs speak. There’s no “center” when the (non-negotiable) Repub position starts at insane. Our politics have devolved into a simple question: are you with the Repubs or against them?
Anyway, whatever the unusual mental processes of such voters, to make their incoherent mental flow charts the road map of a Dem campaign seems frankly insane. Running against and slamming Dem accomplishments and positions (and Prez) isn’t going to make these claimed “independents” more likely to vote for a Dem, is it? Especially when the Repub agenda is supposedly so unpopular with the non-braindead. To dilute (and pervert) what should be the Dem candidate’s principal message in hopes of winning the support of a few borderline irrationals seems highly dubious.
Typical “independent” means in reality ticket-splitters.
Tax Cuts. Even for people that pay more in FICA than income tax, tax cuts are always popular. Man in the street says $100 while Koch’s save $100 million and the man in the street is happy. They don’t see that the end result of the tax cut is higher tuition, crappy roads, SS cuts and so forth.
Also less bureaucratic regulation. Everyone who has had to deal with the IRS, SSA, DMV, and such is sympathetic to less bureaucratic regulation. They see that what the R’s are really talking about is rotten food, dangerous trucks, poisonous water, aircraft failure and the like. And, of course, more bank scams and off shore accounts.
“They fail to see” of course.
There are six week of hard GOTV mobilization left before the poll that matters.
Here are the prognostications I am clear about:
Mark Sanford will win SC-01.
Lynn Westmoreland will win GA-03.
Hank Johnson will win GA-04.
John Lewis will win GA-05.
Austin Scott will win GA-08.
David Scott will win GA-13.
Tom Green will win GA-14.
Robert Aderholt will win AL-04.
Terri Sewell will win AL-07.
John Ratliffe will win TX-04.
Tim Murphy will win PA-18.
Grace Meng will win NY-06.
Eliot Engel will win NY-16.
Bobby Scott will win VA-03.
Altogether a better showing for Democrats in sticking someone, anyone on the ballot. But these are the districts in which GOTV will be much harder except for bigger names (such as Wendy Davis, Michelle Nunn, and so on) at the top of the ticket. Often unity strategies mean that Congressional GOTV makes or breaks the top of the ticket.
BTW, that list is not complete. It’s just a sample of larger states and Southern states. If you want to get rid of Louis Goehmert, you know who to support.
“Altogether a better showing for Democrats in sticking someone, anyone on the ballot.” Or, in the case of Kansas, coming off the ballot. Apparently, now instead of more and better Democrats, the cry is for “better and saner republicans who might caucus with us.”
Correct that: better and saner Republicans who used to be Democrats.
Next up Richard Shelby, ……
I was never that confident in Grimes’ ability to win. There are concrete advantages in having your your senator occupying one of the most senior positions in Senate leadership, regardless of how much you like that person or even what their party is.
But there were concrete reasons that I thought that Kay Hagan, Jeanne Shaheen, Michelle Nunn, Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu and Mark Begich would win, regardless of what the early polls were saying.
What reasons do you have for being so confident in Nunn? If anything, I’m more confident in Grimes. Not by much, but still. Have you seen how she’s been attacking her opponent lately? Especially given the voter registration drives I’ve heard about. Way to inspire those newly signed-up voters to come out!
Family name. In most states it’s THE most important thing. Would a Kennedy lose in Massachusetts? Would a Madigan or Daley lose in Illinois?
And what would you say if the voters of Chicago kick the snot out of Rahmbo next year? He could have been the Mayor of Chicago for the next 20 years, except he’d rather be a colossal dickhead.
I don’t think most voters recognize Rahm for being from a political family. I know I don’t. Not like Madigan, Daley, Simon, Stevenson.
An old rumor said he wanted to be Mayor as a springboard to the Presidency. I wouldn’t be surprised to him as Hillary’s veep.
He isn’t from a political family, per se. He was basically installed by the elites. A lot of people undoubtedly voted for him because he was Obama’s CoS. Meaning a lot of Chicagoans voted for him with out knowing who Rahmbo really was. And they’re finding out the hard way, sadly. How is he going to be Hillary’s VP when he’s going to get run out of Chicago next year, though? If she does make him her VP, I’m certainly not voting for that ticket.
Is there a third generation Daley waiting around for the call?
For the sake of Chicago, I hope not. I think they’ve suffered enough with Rahm.
Not advocating; inquiring.
Did Jane Byrne leave any heirs?
Rahmbo would be a good fit with Hillary: both of them are unprincipled, self-seeking assholes.
Only in the fever dreams of the gibbering idiot purity trolls would Secretary Clinton be stupid enough to pick Rahm as her running mate, so I am not going to lose any sleep over that delightfully absurd notion.
The older rumor was that Rahm wanted to be the first Jewish Speaker of the House. Obviously he got ants in his pants since Nancy shows no signs of leaving, and even if she did Steny Hoyer stood in his way. And Hoyer wants that post just as bad as Rahm did, though you’d never know it given the crappy candidates they get behind re: the DCCC.
The Kennedy family is living on borrowed time: the political machine rumbles along on autopilot while idiots like that anti vaccine lunatic draw attention to the fact that the brain trust has gotten really diluted over the decades. We all loved Teddy, but he is dead and buried and his successors are weak tea.
A bit too soon to write off such a large family. I’m optimistic this upcoming generation will show talent and go on to make their mark.
As for Bobby Jr., except on vaccines I’ve found him to be boldly and courageously on the side of truth and justice. Big money corrupting our politics, speaking out against the fraudulent Warren Report, calling out the theft of the 2004 election, strong environmentalist record for decades, seeking justice for his likely wrongly convicted cousin.
But for the unfortunate disease which has adversely affected his voice, he probably would have done even more.
And as the sniping from Silver begins, it sure looks like Wang will be either the genius or the goat!
Indeed. The dim bulbs at the Daily Kos have been fellating Wang lately because he tells them what they what to hear, but that is precisely the mistake that left Romney gaping like an out of touch idiot on election night. The test of a pollster is not how happy he makes the troops in the heat of battle but how soberly he assesses the risks and how accurately he bakes them into his predictions. Never forget that an 80% chance of victory turns into a loss in one race in five: a pollster may have called the election correctly even though the minority candidate pulls off an upset.
Sam Wang actually has a better track record than Nate Silver. He’s just not as famous.
Nor did he start by posting diaries on Daily Kos.
Until this election Wang and Silver have been very close in their predictions of who’s ahead in any given race. They’ve been differing in their confidence intervals, with Silver consistently assigning a much higher chance for the underdog to win. Even casual inspection of results shows the truth is in between; the underdog wins considerably less often than Silver predicts but just that 1 in 30,000 misfire on Reid in 2010 shows Wang is overconfident.
This is the first election where there’s been any daylight between them in terms of the most likely outcome. But, they still aren’t different enough that we’re going to be able to say one was right and the other wrong on the day after Election Day. Also, the truth now is really that they’re both wrong; the polling data is pretty crappy (and they both know and admit it) but Wang continues to assign tight confidence intervals, while Silver has turned to even-crappier “fundamentals” data.
I’ve said from the get-go that Alison would win and I stand by that – I’ll bet a fifth of Pappy (pick your vintage) if there are any takers. If not then look for me at Alison’s victory party and I’ll share in whatever you’re drinking.
NYTimes: In Kentucky, Health Law Helps Voters but Saps Votes
“Born and raised Republican,I ain’t planning on changing now.”
Congenital idiot.
I’m sorry to cause offense, but people like that are too stupid to live. They will unknowingly vote to cut off their own life support, blinded by racial bigotry.
Unfortunately, the key flaw with democracy in practice is that the powered elites can use bigotry to get a large portion of the underclass to support them.
Maybe only too ignorant to vote. In fairness to her, she was born/raised to be a Republican and never questioned her family’s political faith. Not dissimilar to passing down the family’s religious faith that is equally impervious to education. They live in a pre-Darwinian world and believe in a sky-spook that guides it.
… and many happy returns of the day.
So much for alba gu bràth – Scotland stays put.
SO much for alba gu bràth – Scotland stays.