The Guardian is reporting today that Turkey join the fight against the Islamic State and may even send ground troops into Syria, ostensibly to eliminate the threat posed by this radical organization. The real reason, however, for their involvement in this armed conflict is likely far different than the stated reason they are joining President Obama’s much heralded coalition.
After months of hanging back amid angry accusations of collusion, Turkey is gearing up for a bigger role in the fight against Islamic State (Isis) that could include sending Turkish ground troops across the border into Syria and Iraq.
But counter-terrorism aside, Turkey’s leaders have another, less altruistic motive for getting involved: preventing independent-minded Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, who have links to Turkish Kurd separatists, from further strengthening and exploiting their position as key western allies.
Read the whole article, it is well worth your time.
We have no allies in the Middle East. What we have are a group of governments with a variety of goals and purposes who, for now, are more than happy to put a US military face on a multifaceted conflict that involves differing ethnic groups and religious factions, none of whom are particularly fond of one another. We can rain down as many cruise missiles, drones and bombs as we like, but the fact of the matter is that expanding the number of parties at war in the region will inevitably lead to worse consequences for the people there, and for the American people. Only the war profiteers have anything to gain.
Steven you are analyzing the last war (a reference to the generals who fight the last war). The whole purpose of the coalition, of no US boots on the ground – Turkish!!! boots on the ground, — is a coalition that reaches across sectarian lines to deal with a regional issue. Difficult to make this work, yes, but if it can be made to work, many things will change. Why do you think the warmongers are so revved up for US troop presence – because this kind of coalition does nothing for them.
I so hope you are right, but I’m afraid Stephen may be closer to the reality on the ground there. So many enemy-of-my-enemy links all wrapped up together. Something about herding cats comes to mind.
You’re right about that, that it’s enemy of my enemy links but these are pragmatic alliances not “friendships”; that’s why it’s difficult, but also why it’s really going to change things. alliances that override sectarian and ethnic divisions
Agreed. The only way Iraq survives is federated. If the Kurds can pull that off good, because Turkey would rather deal with that than a chaotic Shiite polity on the border.
Iraq has a new government, give it a chance. The prev gov had to be replaced precisely precisely because it targeted populations along sectarian lines and refused to accept the religious diversity of the country. (and good for Obama for getting it done; that was job one.) It’s fine for non Iraqi s to call for breaking up the country, (essentially to get around the Pottery Barn rule) but are non Iraqi s also to determine how the resources are to be divided?
○ Turkey prepares for bigger role in fight against Islamic State | The Guardian |
Thanks Oui. My bad.
Refugee problem? Couldn’t happen to a more deserving nation, equally for most western European nations that are getting swamped by refugees coming from Syria and North Africa. A bit of blowback for ill-conceived policy of regime change! See also Mali, Niger and Nigeria (Boko Haram).
○ Turkish tanks take up position on Syrian border next to besieged Kurdish town of Kobane
○ Turkey gearing up fight against `barbaric’ ISIL
See my latest diaries:
○ Obama Got It Wrong On Strength Islamic State.
○ Terror Group Al-Qaeda Is Spelled K-h-o-r-a-s-a-n In Syria
○ ISIL Militants In Swap for Turkish Hostages
Also, Steven, your title isn’t helpful. You’re drawing an analogy w Vietnam that is really unhelpful. The region is in no way West Asia, and certainly not South Asia –
I think Turkish fears of an independent Kurdistan are overblown. Iraqi Kurdistan has been a de facto independent entity for over 20 years now. And Turkey does a ton of business with them.
More subtly, I think Turkey doesn’t want to create a Kurdish “mujahadeen” of experienced Kurdish fighters who are a melange of Syrian, Turks and Iraqi Kurds.
I certainly HOPE we are threatening Turkey with international support for an independent Kurdistan. Aside from being the right thing to do, the Turks have a ton of good reasons for going after ISIS – domestic and security reasons – but they clearly need a push.
This is arguably excellent news. There is no endgame in Iraq and Syria until you get rid of ISIS. You can’t eliminate ISIS without ground forces. The Turks have an excellent army.
Humanitarian Yankee aid:
U.S-led raids hit grain silos in Syria, kill workers: monitor.
Another “intelligence failure” or “collateral damage?”
Yet another sign that Obama’s whole regime change in Syria is very bad policy. Not that he, like GWB, will have to pay the price for his warmongering.
The isolationist view annoys me, yes, because in the name of “progressivism” you argue for sitting on the sidelines of a crisis that we are enmeshed in, not just because of our history in the region, but also because we consume untold % of the world’s resources. I certainly accept that we shouldn’t be consuming the large % of world resources, but fact is right now we are and until that changes we are engaged. It is not justified, imo, to skim off the top the cream of the the world’s resources and sit back and say it’s righteous to stay out. If any of you isolationists want to live a life like most of the population of the world does with subsistence food, if that, no indoor plumbing erratic cold weather heating, and few educational prospects then I’ll listen to your isolationist arguments.
I want us to stop using fossil fuels, to stop creating the conditions for more wars. It is American hubris that led us to this situation.
I believe we all want that – on here at least; but what about the short term, the current situation with ISIL, that must be addressed?
Maybe we should put pressure on our “Arab allies” to stop funding extremist Sunni groups to combat Shia populations in the area. Google Saudi financing ISIS.
yes!!!
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