As Jonathan Ladd points out at Mischiefs of Faction, incompetent security by the Secret Service is no joking matter and the consequences for our society if the president were to be harmed are almost unfathomable.
I don’t think we can imagine quite what it would be like without it actually happening. But I think it’s safe to project that the black community would lose trust and faith in the system. The left, which has already been driven far beyond their patience with the obstruction and shenanigans of the opposition would react with fury.
There’s no telling how long it would take to put all the pieces back together again.
So, before you joke about this, try playing the tape through to the end. Once you do, you won’t think these lapses are the slightest bit humorous.
I can understand the humor but with that there really hasn’t been a good discussion on how to fix the problem. Just firing the head of the department isn’t going to fix all the problems there
Bringing back the guy who was fired before won’t help either.
That’s true as well, seemed like a panic move which doesn’t make a lot of sense given how the President has governed
To be clear, they are not bring back Sullivan, they previous Director.
They are bring back the person who was in charge of the WH detail when this happened;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/25/tareq-and-michaele-salahi_n_371336.html
Sorry, I don’t have his name. But he was obviously around during all the previous scandals with the hookers and drunken incidents.
Like I said in my previous post, they hire a woman to fix a disaster, and hold her to a higher standard, then replace her the first chance they get with one of the originals.
Taking one of the frat boys and making him president of the fraternity is not likely to lead to long term improvement.
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The suggestion (I thought it wasFrank Bruni, or NY Times editorial, but can’t find it) to take Secr Serv out of Homeland security and reestablish it as a self standing elite service under treasury, fully staffed and highly paid as before – why not? ; why was it moved in the first place? ppl carried away with the idea of a ponderous bureaucracy that would protect itself instead of our President.
The fact of and tone of the humor indicates to me that after the intrusion before the Global Climate March, which I found very conveniently timed, it seems that someone decided to finally report the 2011 incident, cue Darrell Issa to start and investigation, and force the female head of the Secret Service out of her post. That this all happened in the run-up to an election in which the only thing that Republicans had been saying was Obamacare seemed to me to be the intentional creation of a distraction.
The issue is indeed very serious and I am holding every Republican politician or political operative personally responsible for the safety of the President of the United States. They have created this toxic climate, regardless of what forces inside or outside government or what looney try to exploit it.
There needs to be a thorough re-vetting of the entire Secret Service detail assigned to the President.
Beyond the midterm election politics, this move also might be a pre-emptive attack to head off Jeh Johnson being nominated for Attorney General.
What is clear is that the WaPo set it off and then piled on with Dan Sennett’s stupid suggestion (in seriousness) that Allen West should head a military contingent at the White House because the Secret Service was not up to the task.
The partisan moves surrounding this story are no laughing matter either. Which go back to 2009 and the eruption of the Open Carry movement as part of the Tea Party protests that hounded the President’s speeches on health care reform.
The fact of and tone of the humor indicates to me that after the intrusion before the Global Climate March, which I found very conveniently timed, it seems that someone decided to finally report the 2011 incident, cue Darrell Issa to start and investigation, and force the female head of the Secret Service out of her post.
Will Mr. Arsonist and Car Thief investigate the allegation that someone in the Secret Service was passing along President Obama’s schedule to Willard?
Just like he’s going to find out exactly what the CIA was doing in Benghazi and how it affected the stability of Libya and other countries in the Middle East.
But San Diegans seem to love them some criminals in DC.
That would be an interesting story for Bezos’s Bozos to ferret out however. They could go big and expose all of the GOP burrowed-in operatives working to sabotage administration effectiveness.
“…how long it would take to put all the pieces back together again..”
It ought to be quite clear that no real progess has been made in fifty years towards “putting the pieces back together” from the assassination of John Kennedy.
Of course, we have not begun, even two hundred years on, to internalize the consequences of the invention of the steam engine, either; but that were to go off topic — the only connection being the scale of the lapse of time.
I’m fairly certain at this point that any assassination of a sitting US President would be seen as warfare started by the party/ideology not in the White House.
Rather than the country going into mourning, I’m pretty sure there would be all sorts of violence. It’s one reason I will never have any type of political bumper sticker or yard sign, especially considering where I live.
The sad/strange/obvious thing is that if it happened to a Democrat, the reprisals would be much less in number and severity than if it happened to a F̶a̶s̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ Republican. For obvious reasons.
I haven’t found anything to laugh about with the Secret Service ever since they let that man in Iraq get off a second shoe at Shrub.
How come he wasn’t shot?
To be honest, that’s what I can’t get past with these White House lapses.
A Black person in America can get shot for walking down the street,
but someone who jumps the fence at THE WHITE HOUSE..
WHY is there even a doubt that once you’ve done that, you have forfeited any ‘ benefit of the doubt’.
IF EVER there should be an instance of shoot first and get questions answered later, it’s someone who trespasses at the White House.
The security of THIS First Family is paramount.
well, yes. Oui posted a Sept 11 timeline a while back that showed that uncredentialed journalists came asking to interview Shrub the evening of Sept 10 when he was in FL. He was staying at a Country Club (near the school he was going to visit the next day) that refused them entrance. More along the lines that the Obamas should have their housekeeping staff in charge of security.
Why was it and the Coast Guard moved into DHS? Joe Lieberman wanted to chair a committee.
Really? We should have made an even larger international shithole out of a non-lethal object thrown in disrespect at a throughly deserving president of the US on foreign soil.
Non-violence apprehension finally occurred although other SS officers were negligent; but you think this SS agent should have been a Darren Wilson?
Just think of what you are saying.
Remember Gannon/Guckert and his visits into the WH offices for …what purpose?
Don’t we know the purpose (or reasonably certain of it)? The mystery is who he was servicing.
exactly
You wrote,
I don’t think we can imagine quite what it would be like without it actually happening. But I think it’s safe to project that the black community would lose trust and faith in the system. The left, which has already been driven far beyond their patience with the obstruction and shenanigans of the opposition would react with fury.
I would have written,
I don’t think we can imagine quite what it would be like without it actually happening. But I think it’s safe to project that the left would lose trust and faith in the system. The black community, which has already been driven far beyond their patience with the obstruction and shenanigans of the opposition would react with fury.
Burning cities for weeks, all across America, firemen and police and stray whites murdered in significant numbers.
But that is if O were assassinated by a white person.
If by a black, things would be quite different.
It’s hard to let your supposition stand: if the President was killed by a black man there would be no African American distress and (so you say) widespread violent unrest.
You talk from stereotypes and limited real contact with African Americans.