Co-pilot Caused Germanwings Flight 4U9525 to Crash!!

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   The Voice In The Wilderness on March 24, 2015 at 1:12 pm

   Rather like that Egyptian airliner that crashed in the Atlantic years ago after the pilot shut off the engines. By mistake or by design? We’ll never know.

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     kafkananda on March 24, 2015 at 3:52 pm

     But look at the graph of speed and altitude! If they shut down the engines, wouldn’t the speed decay noticeably? The graph Oui presents shows the speed of the aircraft remained pretty steady as the plane was heading for the ground. Also, the rate of descent is linear. If the plane lost power, I would think it’s forward momentum could not possibly maintain over 400 knots/hour as it fell over 30,000 feet! The terminal velocity for that plane is much less, imo.

     It looks to me like that plane was flown into the ground, throttles wide open.

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       The Voice In The Wilderness on March 24, 2015 at 6:13 pm

       I’m not sure if the speed would decay noticeably if the pilot was diving to relight engines.

       I heard on the radio that the black box has been found. Perhaps automatic equipment failed. Perhaps????

       I don’t think a bomb was exploded or the plane would have fallen pretty much straight down and news reports say it appears to have been intact when it hit the ground although I don’t know how they can say that.

       About forty years ago a 737 went into the trees approaching Dulles at around 200 MPH. It was a foggy night and the charts were wrong. the controller told the pilot to descend to 12,000 feet, but the mountain was 13,000 feet. My neighbor was a volunteer on the Sterling rescue Squad and was on the crash scene. The plane was torn apart and body parts were strewn everywhere. I imagine this scene looks like that.

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       Oui on March 24, 2015 at 7:27 pm

       I listened to a range of aircraft crash experts and commercial airliner pilots, the crash is truly mystifying. A sudden decompression would lead to a quicker descent of the plane. The graph above is not really accurate but based on gps calculation which leaves some room for error because there is an element of forecasting/expectation of speed and altitude. There could have been a sudden or steep descent that would not have registered accurately on the flightradar24 graph.

       Another cause mentioned was a suddden electrical fire and the cockpit filling with smoke. The pilots would have to use their oxygen masks but would be flying blind on instruments they could’t see and monitor. Disorientation could result in errors positioning switches for communication with ATC.

       A previous crash of a Greece Helios aircraft was caused by lack of oxygen due to a cabin compression malfunction/error and all on board suffocated. The plane  flew its pre-programmed flight path and entered a holding pattern until engines flamed out due to lack of fuel.

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   Oui on March 24, 2015 at 7:42 pm

   Airbus-Probleme: Germanwings- und Lufthansa-Piloten weigern sich zu fliegen | Der Spiegel |

   After the tragic plane crash over the South of France with 150 dead, apparently several crews of the affected airline Germanwings refused to take up their flights with machines of the type Airbus A320 disaster. At the Dusseldorf airport, where the crashed plane should have landed from Barcelona, several aircraft have remained on the ground since noon, as reported to passengers. Airbus aircraft of the Germanwings parent company Lufthansa said to have been affected also.

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     kafkananda on March 25, 2015 at 11:25 am

     From the Google translation:

     Also at Stuttgart airport three German Wings flights were canceled – as is the flight from Berlin to London. In Dusseldorf waiting passengers got the information from ground personnel that the crew had withdrawn to discuss their “Fluguntauglichkeit”. A single German Wings flight from Dusseldorf had set out to Berlin-Tegel. There is “in fact German Wings crews who could not take up their positions for personal reasons today,” confirmed a Lufthansa spokesman told SPIEGEL ONLINE. However, it was not known that “this was done out of concern that something was not right,” said the spokesman.

     Background for the refusal of several pilots receive their service in the cockpit, apparently, is the fact that the machine has been accident yesterday hour in the so-called AOG mode (“Aircraft on Ground”) in Dusseldorf on the ground – because of technical problems. There had been a “problem of the ‘Nose Landing Door’ ‘, Lufthansa confirmed.

     So what is ‘Fluguntauglichkeit’?

     One Yandex suggestion was a state of incapacitation.  Specifically here in this situation, I suppose, would be ‘unable to fly’.

     The circumstances here seem murky to me. The fact of the plane receiving emergency service is not that uncommon, is it? (Obviously, I am not a pilot!) And what they were fixing, even if the nosewheel door did fail, doesn’t seem to fit the rest of the circumstances, does it? And would that lead the crews to not fly the other similar planes? Don’t the
     aviation authorities issue a no fly directive for a particular type of aircraft way before pilots are standing down from flying those planes? After all, they have been landing those planes on those nosewheels, with those nosewheel doors for decades!

     The German crews ‘could not take up their positions for personal reasons today’.

     I’d love to hear what was said at their meeting!

      

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       Oui on March 25, 2015 at 2:26 pm

       Amazing, indications are the pilots were unaware of approaching disaster … autopilot malfunction or error in programming? Yet too early for conclusions, but not much adds up at the moment except an explosion on board did not happen as the plane flew into mountains at high speed and disintegrated upon impact.

       Second Germanwings black box case found, contents missing | France24 |

       Investigators have managed to extract audio recordings from the first flight recorder, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR), recovered from crashed Germanwings flight 4U9525. The second black box case, Flight Data Recorder (FDR), was found on Wednesday but only the container as its contents were missing.

       French investigators say they have succeeded in extracting “usable data”, including sound and voices, from the first black box recovered from the Airbus A320 that crashed in the French Alps.

       To recap the comments by the director of France’s aviation investigative agency, there currently is not the “slightest explanation” for what caused the Germanwings plane to lose altitude and crash in the Alps.

       Remi Jouty said the investigation could take weeks or even months, adding that the plane was flying “until the end”, slamming into the mountain, not breaking up in the air. He said the final communication from the plane was a routine message about permission to continue on its route.

       French President François Hollande hosted German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy near the site of the crash on Wednesday afternoon, vowing that French investigators would do everything possible to determine the cause of the tragedy.

       Germany lost 72 nationals in the crash while another 35 people on board were Spanish. Citizens of Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Britain, Colombia, Denmark, Iran, Israel, Japan, Kazakhstan, Mexico, the Netherlands, the United States and Venezuela were also among the victims.

       ○ Crash in France: many open questions – and some theories | Der Spiegel |
       ○ Residents of Haltern are numb with shock and grief, 16 students and two teachers of the Josef König HIgh School died in crash
       ○ Germanwings pilots and maintenance to the same safety standards as parent Lufthansa

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         kafkananda on March 25, 2015 at 9:00 pm

         It was close to midday, the weather was OK (is that correct?), they got up to cruising altitude and just didn’t notice they were heading into the Alps?

         They were discussing futbol clubs or something? How late was that routine message to keep steady as she goes? So how and when would it have happened, if they became incapacitated, number one likely culprit lack of oxygen imo. There have been multiple instances of pilots losing consciousness and chase planes can only watch. So were the pilots sounding normal?, distracted?, perplexed?, panicked?, or unconscious?

         Chase Planes! Any body scramble?

         I have to say that my confidence in a French controlled investigation is pretty minimal, considering what’s been happening there lately. CRIF, Hebdo false flag, Duedonne, etc.

         And what’s with an empty Black Box?! Inquiring minds want to know: Was the box intact enough so that its’ content couldn’t have escaped, suggesting the box was empty before the crash?!

         And what’s with the investigation taking months? Actually, that is probably reasonable. But inside people probably already know what happened and things have to be worked out before full disclosure, if ever that occurs. Somewhere along the line pretty likely the real truth will leak out. We just have to be aware and ready when it escapes!

         One big possibility being discussed is the “Flying Blue Screen of Death” scenario. The “Accelerating Toyota Ghost In the Machine” situation. The idea of the necessity of having to reboot your plane’s computer at 40,000 feet would tend to diminish public confidence in your service, I would surmise. THAT is something they would want to cover up pretty deep, I bet. The cover up for something like that would likely mimic the cover up of a false flag type of situation. Hey! It might even be a great fall back, second layer of the onion type of story.

         I don’t want to elaborate, other than wildly speculate, but my darknet radar wonders if this was a “Message To Merkel” to keep in line?

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           Marie2 on March 25, 2015 at 10:35 pm

           And what’s with an empty Black Box?! Inquiring minds want to know: Was the box intact enough so that its’ content couldn’t have escaped, suggesting the box was empty before the crash?!

           Very curious.

           Also curious is no reports of passengers talking on cell phones.  With that many people on board and mid-morning is it possible no cells were in use in the ten minutes before the crash?

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         Agrot1946 on March 26, 2015 at 7:34 am

         a lot of crashes recently.

          

          

          

         802.11ac speed

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   lotteshop on March 25, 2015 at 2:49 am

   Rest in peace. Amen
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   Oui on March 25, 2015 at 4:56 am

   There was a discussion on Dutch radio, there was an Airbus A319/320 alert last December of the autopilot engaging and only by a computer reset would it disconnect for manual operation.

   German flight’s 8-minute descent is key mystery in crash

   There are other, unknown factors that could cause a long, controlled descent like what appears to have taken place in the case of Germanwings Flight 9525. The incapacitation of the crew, a broken autopilot system, or sudden engine trouble are some of the things that may be on the table at this point. There have been at least three accidents, along with other near-misses, involving faulty aircraft sensors that sent inaccurate data to the plane’s computers, causing the autopilot to respond in ways that jeopardized safety.

   ○ Air Canada 190 – A319 Autopilot Failure?
   ○ Canada TSB Final Report: Air Canada A319 near Calgary on Jan 10th 2008

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     The Voice In The Wilderness on March 25, 2015 at 8:49 am

     Pointing towards software malfunction. This would not surprise me in the least seeing the sad state that software development has fallen to. Embedded software was always better than desktop software but even there companies race to find the cheapest developers so that more money is available for executive bonuses. What we need are more criminal prosecutions for engineering malpractice.

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   janicket on March 25, 2015 at 11:30 pm

   Curiouser and curiouser:  New York Times is reporting now that one of the pilots appears to have been locked out of the cockpit and was pounding on the door trying to get back in.

   http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html

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     Marie2 on March 25, 2015 at 11:44 pm

     Airlines might want to consider either cockpit porta-potties and handiwipes or diapers.

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     Oui on March 26, 2015 at 2:46 am

     Audio retrieved from Germanwings black box ‘shows pilot was locked out’ | France24 |

     “Dear Angela, dear Mariano, rest assured … we will find out everything,” Hollande told Merkel and Rajoy, pledging to get to the bottom of what caused the crash. “France stands by you.” Merkel replied: “It feels good that in a difficult hour like this that we’re standing so closely together in friendship.”

     ○ Germanwings-Flug 4U-9525: Nur ein Pilot war beim Absturz im Cockpit | Der Spiegel |
     ○ Reports: Germanwings black box yields puzzling information | Deutsche Welle |
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     The Voice In The Wilderness on March 26, 2015 at 9:33 am

     That reminds me even more of the Egyptian airliner. ABC reporting this morning that the airline still has not released the names or nationalities of the pilots. ???? Sounds like maybe a Tsarniev at the controls.

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       The Voice In The Wilderness on March 26, 2015 at 10:15 am

       http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-26/germanwings-crash-probe-focuses-on-pilots-as-recor
       ders-evaluated

       Looks like not a Muslim. Just a garden variety nut?

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   Oui on March 26, 2015 at 2:58 am

   Boîte noire de l’A320 : l’un des pilotes n’était pas dans le cockpit au moment du crash | Le Dauphine |

   05h00 :  Parmi les hypothèses désormais envisageables, le cas du pilote aux commandes qui se suicide ou qui a conduit volontairement l’appareil au crash pour une cause inconnue.

   Nettement moins probable, celle du pilote qui aurait eu un malaise alors que son collègue n’était plus dans la cabine de pilotage dans la mesure où il y a eu une action volontaire pour faire voler l’avion à une altitude plus basse menant droit sur la montagne.

   Après les attentats du 11 septembre 2001, la protection du cockpit a été renforcée. L’ordre d’ouvrir le cockpit ne provient aujourd’hui que de l’intérieur par les pilotes.

   Dans l’histoire aéronautique, des précédents de pilotes qui se sont suicidés existent notamment fin 2013 lors du vol de la Mozambique Airlines qui s’est écrasé en Namibie, de Silk Air en 1997 et d’Egyptair en 1999 même si les autorités indonésiennes et égyptiennes ont contesté la conclusion de l’enquête.

   05h00 :  Of the now possible assumptions, whether the pilot at the controls who commits suicide or intentionally caused the aircraft to crash for an unknown reason.

   Much less likely, the pilot would have felt unwell while his colleague was not in the cockpit to the extent there has been a deliberate action to fly the aircraft at a lower altitude leading straight on the mountain.

   After the attacks of 11 September 2001, the protection of the cockpit has been strengthened. The order to open the cockpit today comes only from the inside by one of the pilots.

   In aviation history, previous pilots who committed suicide exist particularly in late 2013 when Mozambique Airlines flight that crashed in Namibia, Silk Air in 1997 and in 1999 Egyptair although the Indonesian authorities and Egyptian challenged the conclusion of the investigation.