Ed Kilgore has some really valuable insights in this post that examines a possible overlap between Donald Trump and Mike Huckabee’s supporters. Even the idea itself is interesting because the two men seemingly share virtually nothing in common. What they do share, though, is a willingness to buck Republican orthodoxy on entitlement reform and free trade. And that places them both, at least theoretically, in position to make an appeal to white working class voters who have drifted to the right since the 1960’s but who don’t share the GOP elite’s economic priorities.
The flip side of all the talk about Democratic prospects to regain some of the white working class vote (see our most recent roundtable on the subject here at WaMo in conjunction with The Democratic Strategist, based on Stan Greenberg’s advice in the current issue of our magazine) is that this demographic has entered the Republican coalition without necessarily internalizing the economic views of GOP elites. So much as the “Reagan Democrats” represented a potentially rebellious segment of the Democratic coalition back in the day, today’s blue-collar Republicans are vulnerable not just to a “raid” from Democrats but from heretical Republicans who defect from party orthodoxy on hot-button issues like trade and entitlements. That’s probably an important part of Trump’s otherwise mysterious constituency.
Now, the thing is that I’m not sure how “mysterious” Donald Trump’s constituency really is. For example, I think Steve M. understands and can explain his constituency perfectly. I think John Cole, who used to be a wingnut himself, understands Trump’s appeal just fine. I think Josh Marshall has internalized the true nature of the Conservative Movement and why Trump fits in with them so comfortably despite his numerous heresies.
Maybe bloggers as a class have some kind of inherent advantage over Beltway reporters when it comes to understanding why Trump is doing so well and seems so impervious to the kinds of criticisms that have sunk other candidates at relatively recent points in history. For me, I don’t find it all that complicated, and this isn’t too far off the mark:
While there’s certainly some constancy and continuum between the anti-fluoridation John Birch Society nutcases of the 1950’s and the long-form birth certificate losers of the present, the Republican Party as an organization has never before been so helpless to fend off its crazies.
That’s why, ultimately, I think it’s basically a mistake to expect the people who are still self-identifying as Republicans or conservatives to choose a candidate based on how that candidate aligns with them on issues like trade or the size of their Social Security check. You shouldn’t expect them to flinch when veterans are disrespected anymore than you should expect them to flinch when they hear that al-Qaeda is sending women to Texas to have babies who will grow up and form terrorist sleeper cells. You know, if they’re already supporting Trump after the birth certificate nonsense, their standards for truth and reality-based thinking are so low that we should just consider their brains to be broken.
I’m not saying that there’s absolutely no correlation between what a candidate says substantively about policy and the kind of voters who will support them, but the relationship is so attenuated at this point that it won’t reliably predict who does well in the polls and why. And that’s why this sounds about right:
Try this hypothesis: The press has no idea how to cover Trump. Known methods have failed. It's embarrassed to admit to an unsolved problem.
— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) July 21, 2015
Now, it’s one thing to say that you don’t know whether to put Trump in your political coverage or your entertainment coverage, but it’s another to admit that you just can’t honestly come to grips with the fact that the modern GOP is this much of a disgrace.
The party is supposed to stand for things, some of them broadly considered laudable, others highly contentious. But it doesn’t stand for much anymore beyond being a party of opposition and obstruction that is filled with incredibly angry people who are furious about immigration and despise establishment politicians like John McCain just as much as they loathe elite educational institutions like Harvard. These aren’t rah-rah patriotic Americans because they increasingly fear and hate this country. Science is their enemy, too, which makes them mistrust academics and experts all the more. What they want is vengeance, and the candidate who seems most likely to deliver it is the one they will support.
If you ask them, they’ll probably complain about the outsourcing of jobs and oppose entitlement reform, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll hold a vote for fast track against Ted Cruz if he’s doing the best job of slandering their political opponents. Their anger is so potent at this point that many who are primarily motivated by simple race-hatred will look to an African-American like Ben Carson or a Cuban-American like Cruz precisely because they’re willing to diss their own ethnic communities.
I still see poll results that indicate that the crazification factor is holding relatively constant at 27 percent. And it could be that Trump can’t get beyond that threshold. What’s changed, however, is that Republicans are now thoroughly terrified and will not willingly contradict the crazies.
And this is why it doesn’t help as much as it should to think of the current polling results in terms of runoff elections. In other words, if we had conservative poll respondents list their choices from favorite to least favorite, Trump wouldn’t be doing nearly as well. The error here is thinking that the problem is Trump. If Trump disappears, his voters still stay with us and they migrate to Carson or Perry or Cruz or Santorum or, yes, Huckabee. It doesn’t really matter where they go so long as they are able to boost the most racist and revenge-minded sounding candidate into contention.
The media don’t want to consider this. They want the problem to be contained to Trump, as if Snowball Snookie was any more rational, any nicer, or made any more sense.
So, the story here isn’t that the establishment’s favored candidate, Jeb Bush, is going to lose. He may well emerge victorious from this madhouse looking competent and responsible by comparison. The story isn’t about what Trump will or won’t do in the debates. The story is about the current state of the modern GOP, and it looks just as bad whether you’re looking at Trump or you’re looking at Rand Paul and Ted Cruz holding up the national transportation-funding bill over a doctored Planned Parenthood video. This is the party that forced the president to seriously consider minting trillion dollar coins to avoid letting Congress default on our debts and cause a worldwide recession.
Where is this party on the basic reality on subjects like international sanctions on Iran, the real effects of Obamacare, the seriousness and causes of Climate Change, or the merits of doomed Supreme Court challenges?
You want a story? The story is that this party is dangerous and they have a lot of power. Trump doesn’t make them more dangerous. He doesn’t really add anything except a little clarity to the situation.
So, why do these folks like Trump? Why don’t they punish him for his multitude of gaffes and heresies?
Well, why do people think Fox News is a real news organization?
What someone said yesterday no longer matters if it isn’t convenient today. A good example of this came back in 2012 when Newt Gingrich criticized the president for inaction on Libya on a Tuesday, reversed himself once the president announced our involvement on a Wednesday, and wound up with a bump in the polls for his efforts. All that mattered was that he was loud and he was a critic.
Just like Donald Trump.
We have reached the Gotterdammerung of marketing-based political campaigns.
The question is whether it blows apart before the primaries begin or after the 2016 election.
And is anyone on the Democratic side ready to walk through the chaos when it does?
Are any third parties ready? Hell, the Green Party is marketing its fool head off within its budget limits.
This could get very interesting with a few more real world good news events.
Are any third parties ready? Hell, the Green Party is marketing its fool head off within its budget limits.
What do you mean? That it will get it’s usual 1,000 or so votes?
You write:
Oh yes!!! Yes indeed. On both sides of the PermaGov aisle.
Trump is generally being looked upon so far as a threat to the mainstream, PermaGov-owned RatPubs. He is more than that. He is also a threat to the mainstream, PermaGov-owned DemRats.
Why?
How?
You pinned it, Tarheel.
Marketing-based political campaigns, and by extension “marketing” in general. The poll-driven kind, where everything is aimed at the middle. The mean. Not about excellence or individuality, just about how many people will buy into a marketing-driven brand of beer no matter how cheaply made, bad tasting and chemically laden it may be.
Ditto our “marketing based” political system.
People are wising up, at least to the part of that system that treats them as numbers instead of human beings. Trump is flying by the seat of his pants, and no matter how vile that seat may smell judging from what he has said and how he has said it, his seat-of-the-pants campaign…buttressed of course by his fame, his bully act front and his money…is kicking the living shit out of all of the other candidates of both parties.
You also write:
Pinned it again, Tarheel. That is the question, and it has a very Shakespearean aura as well. It has to do with kingships and dynasties, evil men and good. If trump’s move falls apart before the primaries, after the primaries of after he is actually elected, this play becomes a comedy, a melodrama or a tragedy of epic proportions.
We shall see. I’m into comedy, myself, but he’s looking less funny with every day that passes.
Watch.
AG
All reports of “Peak Wingnut” have been (sadly) proven to be premature.
TarheelDem,
Edward Bernays and Joseph Goebbels’ last gasps, I’d say.
All you need to know about the man and his supporters:
“Donald Trump is in a world he is not familiar with.” unless you call it showbiz.
My son (now 18) was in his WWE phase at the time at least some of this was going on, so I actually saw quite a bit of it. Wasn’t it grotesque!
It may be that the reason many bloggers and their friends understand Trump better than the national press is that they just live normal lives, including some TV watching, and they have his number, unless they’re in that 27%. Whereas your mystified national reporters see those people socially and their careers require pretending that they’re serious people.
Maybe bloggers as a class have some kind of inherent advantage over Beltway reporters when it comes to understanding why Trump is doing so well and seems so impervious to the kinds of criticisms that have sunk other candidates at relatively recent points in history.
Of course. Bloggers, generally, have a different view of the world compared to Versailles. And yes, Versailles does include outfits like Buzzfeed and Vox. Also, I wonder how many of the GOP base will think Trump was attacking veterans as compared to attacking McCain(who they hate anyway).
The GOP base loves to weep crocodile tears for veterans but don’t actually give a shit in any case. 5.2% of the population is wartime vets, so even if a majority of them are Republicans (I’d lay money on a near-majority being nonvoters, and also bet that a larger proportion are POC than the general population), they don’t have a decisive influence. My guess is most male Republicans of Vietnam-to-Gulf War age are chickenhawks like Trump.
A really great overview BooMan … thx!
Is he running as a Republican … or as an Independent? Either way he spells heaps of trouble for the establishment. He is in it for the long run … he’s puffing up his ego as an exemplary narcist. In need of campaign funds? He’ll sell some assets. He has a lean political organization … himself … speechwriters? … teleprompter? … hell no! Republican party with candidate John McCain was a loser … choice for Alaskan dame Palin … her wit about Russia and foreign policy … McCain’s bombing mission was interupted as he was shot down … Vietnam war … genocide … a hero? … how many fighter planes did he crash … his daddy saved his ass.
Trump is a WYSIWYG candidate … same mannerism as Pim Fortuyn (assassinated) and Geert Wilders. There is no in between, you either hate him or love him. These candidates cannot be labeled or polled because they reach out to the people who have never voted before! The voters come from a broad range of people, from the well educated to the guy on the street who has more than one job to survive and no time to delve into politics. Trump is the perfect candidate ot American Instamatic or Polaroid culture … ready to serve and eat. No fancy analysis … just a teflon coating, nothing sticks to him.
The United States is called a democracy … in Europe we know better … just as Israel is a democracy … NOT … the U.S. is a failed enterprise when one considers International Law … wars of aggression … crimes and torture in Central and South America … and elsewhere … Hanoi bombing… Agent Orange … coup d’etat of 1953 Teheran … Iraq-Iran War support for Saddam Hussein … chemical warfare … Abu Ghraib … torture and rendition … Bagram in Kabul … fear for ICC – International Criminal Court in The Hague … befriended Gaddafi before eliminating dictator … oil exploration and contracts … Seven Sisters… Middle East and Gulf States … human rights and religious freedom … gay rights in Muslim countries that are our allies … ISIS beheadings.
On his visit to ally and friend Netanyahu … Pentagon boss Ashton Carter states Israel is our cornerstone to Middle East policy … doesn’t promise hope for the near future … occupation – settlements – crimes against humanity … under the radar: great ally Hissène Habrë from Chad is now on trial in Senegal for genocide .. 40,000 deaths in the 1980s a friend of USA, Reagan and CIA who were funding and watching … blowback for abhorrent US foreign policy … justice for corporations only … not people.
○ Meet Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s Jewish Wingman
Posted earlier in AG’s diary.
Hilary is not the answer.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-rakes-wall-street-cash-163323440.html
True.
She is now the question.
A cipher.
Does she even exist, or is she simply a collection of advisors? Like a jellyfish, an organism consisting of many other “individual” organisms, all working towards the same goal.
Survival.
Even the grandest Portuguese man o’ war is subject to the winds and tides of fickle fate.
Bet on it.
AG
That’s all opinion anyway.
Booman writes:
I think that you are missing the point here, Booman. Yes, if Trump implodes his devotees will move elsewhere. But they will be scattered around lesser forces, thus losing much of their power.
Trump is BIG He has mass. Lots of it Frightening mass. Mass like Hitler. Ain’t about “issues,” it’s about sheer emotional mass. With mass comes gravity, and that gravity is pulling in everything that is anywhere near it in terms of…in terms of emotional politicality. Like I said in another post, the title of Trummy Young’s ’30s hit says it all here.
If you were to construct a city block-wide piece of flypaper and placed a rotting carcass smack in the middle of it, every fly and other rot-eater for miles around would end up stuck in the flypaper.
He’s that flypaper.
If he goes, the insects will flock to other, smaller pieces of flypaper. Easier to dispose of, if ‘y know what I mean. But this great big one? Whatchoo gonna do with it once it’s covered with flies? Especially if a big wind lifts it out of your control.
Like dat.
Trump is the problem, and he is a very serious one.
Bet on it.
Later…
AG
That’s all opinion anyway.
Correct, Trump is not the problem.
Trump’s transient success obscures the problem.
The problem, and all true progressives realize it, is that there is no real difference between the parties.
How in the world, do you read what was above and arrive at the conclusion that there are no differences between the parties?
That was a possible argument in 1994, but there is no way you can make that argument today. The GOP is tethered to the 27% and that is dragging them beyond where any political party has ever been in US history.
I don’t think we have complete perspective on WHY this happened, but the long tradition – borne of a single-member district electoral system – of Center Left and Center Right parties is dying. Hell, it’s dead.
It’s Center Left and Far Right. That is what Donald Trump has proven, even if he himself is likely to fade to blustering irrelevancy before the leaves change color.
Readjust your snark meter. It has to be working at max for DXM.
Is either party going to supplant our present mode of production?
Alter our current social and technical relations of production?
The problem, and all true progressives realize it, is that there is no real difference between the parties.
Just be glad you’re not living in the U.K. right now. You’d be eating those words if you did.
Does Labour intend to supplant or replace the present mode of production, based on oligarchical multinational corporations, globalization, rampant consumerism, and above all, finance capitalism?
And if so, where’s the difference?
And why did they shit-can Clause IV if they do?
You didn’t hear about the awful Welfare Bill the British Parliament passed the other day? The temporary head of the Labour Party made waves when she said that Labour MP’s should abstain from voting instead of voting “No.” So a whole boatload of them did just that. Only 48 Labour MP’s voted “No”. Causing howls of laughter from the SNP MP’s, since the SNP MP’s all voted against it. Meaning there was more “No” votes from SNP than there was from Labour. And why did the temporary Labour leader say to vote “Abstain”? Go look and find it. It’s so absurd you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Yertle the Turtle(aka McConnell) would laugh his ass off at her.
Hey Boo. That link to WM at the top of the story is bad.
thanks, missing HTML quotes.
The race for the Republican primaries began slowly in 2011. Gallup polls found that historically the Republican Party had a clear front-runner by March.
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Considerable media attention was given in April 2011 to Donald Trump, who considered running for the nomination …Trump never officially declared or filed an FEC report, and made it clear on May 15 that he would not be running for the GOP nomination
Recall that at this point in 2007, the lead was bouncing between Guiliani and Thompson and their combined percentage of the pie hovered around 50%.
In 2012 rMoney was always in the lead. His support among the GOP electorate was in the 22%+/-5% range. Not commanding, but his margin over the next nearest competitor was generally solid.
So, is tRump a Guiliani, Thompson, or rMoney? A flash in the pan or stick to the ribs?
It’s been obvious since at least 2008 that the republican party was ripe for takeover by a honest to god reactionary demagogue, and that, if national circumstances were favorable (social disorder, foreign policy disaster, etc.), that demagogue would have a very good chance of becoming president. The current primary field looks like a try-out for that role.
My impression at the moment is that none of the candidates have the requisite finesse to be both a firebreather for the base and a suave shit-peddler for the general electorate, or even the general republican primary electorate. Reagan and Bush 2 provide models but circumstances are different now. The base wants more bleeding red meat among other things. Right now it seems like a very hard divide to sew together. But it can certainly be done, with the right candidate and the right circumstances. And one of the current candidates could discover the right formula.
Trump is a problem for the GOP.
Please let him be the nominee. To actually witness the GOP dies as a national party by 2017 would be utterly amazing.
Democrats should beware the impulse to hope the GOP nominates the candidate that Democrats think is too crazy too win.
After the 1960 Presidential and 1962 CA gubernatorial election, Democrats were delighted that they wouldn’t have Nixon to kick around anymore. No way that loser could make a comeback and go all the way.
Reagan in 1980 — yeah! Oops.
How Democrats feared McCain in 2000 and did a little happy jig when GWB knocked McCain out. Oops.
I would agree with Marie. Be very very careful what you wish for. Trump frightens me. He’s not an idiot, although he plays one on TV. He’s a grifter of the first order. I am really hoping he runs of the rails.
It is not good for the country to have all this meshugaas gain a national stage in one of the two main parties.
a particularly solid post – thanks
Snowball Snookie may be the greatest nickname ever.
While Governor Palin’s nomination was certainly a milestone in the annals of derp, let’s not forget the contributions of our 43rd president.
BooMan, just a note on your terminology.
“Entitlement Reform” is a loaded term, indicating a desire to cut benefits (either wholesale, raising the minimum age, etc.).
Possibly we could use the term to describe raising the cap level substantially, then increasing the payroll tax rate from 7.65% to, say, 8% in return.
But present usage indicates the first description, a Pete Peterson special.