I will let others give Leon Wieseltier the full treatment. I just want to focus on a couple of areas. Let me begin with his explanation for why our country has been locked in a struggle with Iran ever since the Shah fled Tehran and students overran our embassy and took our people hostage for 444 days.
On the American side, the choice was based upon an opposition to the tyranny and the terror that the Islamic Republic represented and proliferated. It is true that in the years prior to the Khomeini revolution the United States tolerated vicious abuses of human rights in Iran; but then our enmity toward the ayatollahs’ autocracy may be regarded as a moral correction. (A correction is an admirable kind of hypocrisy.)
This is both glib and profound at the same time, which is what makes it interesting. It’s glib because it completely whitewashes our complicity in the Shah’s human rights abuses. It doesn’t even mention the enormous military investment we made in Iran during the Ford administration (under the leadership of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney). But, it’s profound because he’s right that correcting bad policy is an admirable kind of hypocrisy. And the correction for backing the Shah wasn’t to sign on for the Islamic Revolution.
It’s a good insight, but it doesn’t go very far because it leaves open what kind of correction we could have made in the early stages of the revolution, or really at any point since that time. Still, I do get bored when I hear the name Mohammad Mosaddegh thrown around on the left like its some kind of protective blanket that gives the Clerics a license to do or say anything they want against our country and our interests.
The second thing I want to note here is that Wieseltier sets up a bad dichotomy by casting the Iran Deal as the polar opposite of things staying the same. Watch:
Indeed, a continuity of policy may in some cases—the Korean peninsula, for example: a rut if ever there was one—represent a significant achievement. But for the president, it appears, the tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. Certainly it did in the case of Cuba, where the feeling that it was time to move on (that great euphemism for American impatience and inconstancy) eclipsed any scruple about political liberty as a condition for movement; and it did with Iran, where, as [deputy national security adviser for strategic communication, Ben] Rhodes admits, the president was tired of things staying the same, and was enduring history as a rut. And in the 21st century, when all human affairs are to begin again!
Now, a continuity of policy is one thing, but when you’re talking about Iran’s nuclear capability it’s pretty clear that things were not staying the same. Just taking a look at the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control’s website, I can see that Iran had zero centrifuges in early 2007 that were being fed with uranium hexafluoride. By May of this year, they had over 9,000 such centrifuges. Those numbers are pretty important. Whether the policy changed or not, it’s clear that things were not “staying the same.”
The last thing I want to say about this article today has to do with making the case that Iran’s government is a foul, reprehensible actor. I’m okay with that. But can we always check to see if the speck we find in Iran’s eye isn’t just as big or bigger when we look in the Saudi monarchy’s eyes? I say this in particular because Wieseltier will go on to recommend that we encourage the Arab Sunnis to make common cause with Israel against the Iranians. I need to understand why the Shiites deserve this treatment.
Look at what I do with this excerpt here:
The adversarial relationship between America and the regime in
RiyadhTehran has been based on the fact that we are proper adversaries. We should be adversaries. What democrat, what pluralist, what liberal, what conservative, what believer, what non-believer, would want thisSaudi ArabiaIran for a friend?
I’m going to do it again:
The text of the agreement states that the signatories will submit a resolution to the UN Security Council “expressing its desire to build a new relationship with
Saudi ArabiaIran.” Not a relationship with a newSaudi ArabiaIran, but a new relationship with thisSaudi ArabiaIran, as it is presently—that is to say, theocratically, oppressively, xenophobically, aggressively, anti-Semitically, misogynistically, homophobically—constituted.
It looks like the two governments are completely interchangeable here. See, I can’t see anything that the Iranian government is doing or has done since they released the hostages 34 and a half years ago as being as bad as what Saudi Arabia did in building up an ideology of Sunni extremism and nihilistic terrorism.
Let me put it to you this way. Where would you rather live, Iran or Saudi Arabia?
It’s an easy choice, even for Jews.
And let’s not even consider life in Syria or Iraq under the rule of the Sunni-led ISIS. Yet, we still get this advise from Wieseltier:
We need to despise the regime loudly and regularly, and damage its international position as fiercely and imaginatively as we can, for its desire to exterminate Israel. We need to arm the enemies of Iran in Syria and Iraq, and for many reasons. (In Syria, we have so far prepared 60 fighters: America is back!) We need to explore, with diplomatic daring, an American-sponsored alliance between Israel and the Sunni states, which are now experiencing an unprecedented convergence of interests.
Other than Iran’s alleged desire for a nuclear weapon, is there any reason why we don’t prefer the Ayatollahs to the so-called “Sunni states”?
Because, remember, Wieseltier is trying to sell this as a promotion of religious freedom and human and political rights. But he’s picking the side with the worse record.
Why?
I probably don’t need to tell you why.
His mind is in a one-track rut.
I must be missing something on this:
We need to arm the enemies of Iran in Syria and Iraq
The enemy of Iran in Iraq is ISIS, no? He’s not really suggesting that we need to arm ISIS, is he? Who the hell is he talking about?
Kurds is my guess.
I guess he’s talking about the Saudi/Jordan/Qatar-funded extremists.
aka Sunni “moderates” who are by now subsidiaries of al-Nusrah. Not Kurdish forces, who are getting serious support from the administration already, because they deserve it, having shown a commitment to pluralism and knowing how to use the stuff.
I agree with you and Booman. Turkey strongly supports these “””””””moderates””””””” too, which is probably the real reason for Turkey’s recent entry into the war against ISIS, which in all probability will not be so much against ISIS as against the PKK, and to help the Sunni “””””””moderates”””””””.
that Iran is fighting against ISIS is sort of a matter-antimatter collision in the brains of the anti-agreement gang causing brain explosion and irrationality
Theocracies are worse than monarchies or dictatorships full stop. But Saudi Arabia isn’t much different than a theocracy and as Ive said before, in terms of how much power a country’s people have, Iran is higher than anyone else in the region but Turkey and Israel.
The Saudis are the trifecta (monarchy/dictatorship/theocracy).
Perfect devil’s pact between monarch and theocrats. (Though Wahabis are not respected at all in Islam as scholars or intellectuals.)
I take exception to your comment about Mosaddegh. How does one live something like that down? Yeah, we overthrew your democratically elected government; get over it! Obama’s done as much as possible to show there’s another side to the United States but that neon billboard to American/western/imperial arrogance will be remembered forever.
All I ask it that you not engage in overly simplistic thinking.
The shah was in power for about 25 years. The clerics have been in power for 35 years. If they were going to restore political rights to the people, they should have gotten around to that by now.
Yes, I know that Iran has more representation than other countries in the region. It’s mostly a farce, and when the clerics are truly challenged, it’s completely a farce.
So, let’s keep things in perspective.
I agree with all of that. These clerics are not sincere, even in their religious principles. They’re essentially demagogues dressed up as religious leaders. My point is only that they would never have gained power but for our stupidity in bumping off a democratically elected PM. Doing so revealed the utter hypocrisy of our foreign policy after vocally proclaiming ourselves the world’s beacon of freedom. Iranian society is so much more sophisticated and educated than others in the region. As you’ve said, they are our natural ally. We pushed them to extremism. Our policies cut the ground out from under… Read more »
The train left the station on the Iran agreement with the UN Security Council vote. The US in that vote is de facto guaranteeing Iran safety against a nuclear attack in order to encourage them from becoming too much in the Japanese position on nuclear weapons. President Obama and John Kerry successfully moved the dynamics back from a forced breakout. Or Iran made credible its capability to break out if pushed by Western pressure. More than the character of any government, having a verifiable agreement on non-proliferation is the major point. It is a point that we have not yet… Read more »
Still, I do get bored when I hear the name Mohammad Mosaddegh thrown around on the left like its some kind of protective blanket that gives the Clerics a license to do or say anything they want against our country and our interests. That’s not what the left does, and it’s a ridiculous simplification. It’s invoked not as protection for the clerics carte blanche, but in response to the neoliberalcons’ lies and deceit about what they say they want and what they actually want (neoliberalcons are being hereinafter referenced as “you”): “Iran WAS what you said you want it to… Read more »
I never get tired of speaking of Operation Ajax, the 1953 coup by the US and UK that deposed a democratically elected Prime Minister, so that the US and UK could have a brutal, repressive dictator installed in Iran. It allowed the US and UK to continue siphoning oil out of Iran for cheap, while also establishing Iran as a military dictatorship state that would be a dependable market for the US to sell weapons. Weapons that were often used against the people of Iran by the dictator we installed there. How convenient for the scumbags who all collaborated in… Read more »
One issue though: America’s best ally in Operation Ajax was the very clerics who would act against the Shah 20 years later. Clerics have always held the final say over 20th century Iranian politics.
Mossadegh was as toxic (or more so) to the ulema as he was to us. The British and the ayatollahs were as much responsible for overthrowing Mossadegh as we were. We just provided the money.
The thing is, if your point is to counterbalance a distorted historical record, you have to be careful that you don’t adopt the idea that they way to set the record straight is to pull with equal force in the opposite direction. I’m the kind of geek who spends slow weekends reading the dispatches the CIA sent from Tehran while the coup was unfolding in 1953. The biggest problem they had with the Shah was that he was completely terrified and basically couldn’t stop wetting his pants. The furthest thing from their mind was that he’d wind up ruling with… Read more »
One correction to this comment: by the time of the revolution we were investing more in Iran…
The biggest problem they had with the Shah was that he was completely terrified and basically couldn’t stop wetting his pants.
The furthest thing from their mind was that he’d wind up ruling with an iron fist for 35 years.
They just wanted to get him to crawl out from under the bed and act like a man.
So we put an incompetent boob in charge? I’m shocked, shocked!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Iran is a “bad actor” in roughly the same way Putin’s Russia is. They want a sort of regional influence/hegemony over similar peoples (Slavs for Russia, Shiites for Iran) but there isn’t a lot of evidence for this “world domination” bullshit we read about Iran. They want to protect the Shia from the Sunni. As for the ayatollahs, they want stability. They want not to get invaded and have their economy function. (After years of telling Iranians that their economic problems were tied to sanctions, it will be interesting to see what happens… Read more »
Could you name me a ‘good actor’?
Fixed it.
analogy. In 1962 the Russians put missiles in Cuba. Kennedy implemented a blockade, and Khrushchev caved in the Western telling. The point isn’t whether the US was right or wrong, but rather this was done without considering the internal politics of the USSR. No one seriously considered asking what the effect of the policy would be on the internal divisions within the politburo. One result of the crisis was Khrushchev was replaced. But of course we now know Khrushchev had sought to steer the USSR away from Stalin. One can argue the extent to which he was a reformer, but… Read more »
Is perhaps an evolution within Iran on how much we are to blame for all their misfortunes and isolation.
In the meantime, we should probably continue to back away slowly from entanglement with all Middle Eastern ideological movements and religious extremist states; excepting Turkey, a special and difficult case which must be resolved politically to secure Europe’s flank. Erdogan’s contested demise is probably worth watching closely.
The blockade option should not have been implemented? Because we should have known it would inevitably lead to the downfall of Khru? Do I read you correctly? That’s quite a bit of foresight you require. And not necessarily correct foresight. As I understand it, Khru was removed because he had been the one who acted rashly and recklessly to install the missiles, his sole decision, and second his negotiating partner in D.C. had been removed by assassination, and his successor LBJ had no interest in continuing a detente process w the Soviets, thus leaving Khru isolated. The analogy here is… Read more »
to say that the struggle had implications beyond just the US vs. Soviet Union.
It is true that US knowledge of internal politics in the Soviet Union was not profound, and I doubt US knowledge of the factions of the Politburo was good enough to make it a factor in US thinking.
My point was an international dispute had significant domestic consequences for our enemy.
I think the Blockade was probably the least bad option. I don’t agree with you that the cold war would have ended in ’65, though, had JFK lived.
Not profound perhaps, but at least Kennedy realized the importance of trying to deduce what the major factions over there were acting. In the waning day of the crisis, he realized Khru was probably similarly situated to himself — i.e., both leaders looking to find a peaceful solution while most of their advisers argued for war. JFK said later that one of the major lessons of the crisis is to try to put yourself in the opponent’s shoes. By most accounts, he did this rather well. Bobby, with his direct backchannel to a Khru rep in D.C. trusted to report… Read more »
famously had all his senior advisors read “The Guns of August”. That book, which I only read last summer, is a chronicle of mistakes and errors and failures to understand the other side’s likely objectives.
You can argue we should have never gotten to the point we got, and you can blame Kennedy for that. You can also argue once he got there we were damn lucky he made the decisions he did.
Well he tried to get his advisers to understand the other side. Not totally successful however.
After it was over, his ambassador to India JK Galbraith visited the Oval, and Kennedy told him, You wouldn’t believe all the lousy advice I got during the Crisis. A bunch of ExComm cold warriors stuck on stupid, with very few exceptions.
As for ultimate fault, both sides share blame. Kennedy with the earlier BoP, Khru by dramatically escalating the situation by deciding to send in nuke weapons, rather than just conventional.
○ CIA documents on the Cuban missile crisis – 1962 Khrushchev caved and removed the Cuban missiles; Kennedy caved and removed the ballistic missiles in Turkey. A near catastrophy when a Navy admiral almost went rogue in the Atlantic, scaring the hell out of the Pentagon and White House. Not just the blockade, the US nuclear power was on high alert and SAC bombers were spread across many states on military and civilian airfields, ready to retaliate by a nuclear strike. I saw them lined up at St. Louis Lambert field in that infamous October 1962. There were numerous confrontations… Read more »
Kennedy didn’t really “cave” on the Jupiter missiles — they were obsolete and he’d actually told the Pentagon to have them removed months before. He was surprised during the Crisis to learn that order hadn’t been acted on. He just didn’t want the exchange publicized as a quid pro quo as it would have had serious political ramifications over here.
Chrysler SM-78/PGM-19A Jupiter Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) [cached] Two squadrons with a total of 30 missiles were operational at Gioia del Colle, Italy, by 1961; a single squadron of 15 Jupiters became operational at Cigli Air Base, Turkey, in 1962. Due in part to the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, the U.S. removed its Jupiter missiles from Italy and Turkey by July 1963. PGM-19 Jupiter – Wikipedia The missiles, armed with nuclear warheads, were deployed in Italy and Turkey in 1961 as part of NATO’s Cold War deterrent against the Soviet Union. They were all removed by the United… Read more »
Hypocrisy is a long standing tradition in our country. We need to take a look inside ourselves because we create our on hell more often then not.
BTW: John Kerry was the man yesterday in front of congress defending the historic Iran nuclear agreement.
For anyone seeking some clarity about the unnecessarily convoluted, often mis/uninformed discussions floating around about the Iran agreement see Peter Van Buren at http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/176028/
This Wieseltier guy’s perverse preference for Saudi Arabia over Iran is very troubling. ‘I probably don’t need to tell you why.’ Is he an Israel-bot?
It seems that Obama has thrown the Kurds under the bus to get access to Turkish air bases for attacks on the Islamic State (and Assad?) Nice going Mr. O, this is something you might want regret very much.
Not the Kurds. Only the PKK. Not that Turkey needed an incentive to attack the PKK.
Not so! Look where the Turks are bombing, also at strategic positions the Peshmerga and Syrian Kurds conquered on the IS forces recently. Erdogan wants military force to undo the last elections where the AKP lost its majority and sultan Erdogan his dream of absolute power. NATO gave Turkey minimum political leeway to fight “terrorists” but did not mention Kurds.
And a Kurdish united party got back into parliament, which requires at least 13 percent of the votes, an exorbitantly high threshold. Erdogan can’t form a government: tough guy war. As in the US.
Oh Marie 3 you must be kidding. You must know that the Turks do not distinguish between the PKK and the Kurds as a whole. Turkey wil not tolerate a Kurdish state along its southern border and will do everything it can to thwart it. Then comes the invasion of the Turkish army into Syria. Maybe the last act of Samantha Power’s neocon cha-cha is playing out: Syria will disappear as a sovereign state.
Always good to have a cover story. Then “oops” or “collateral damage” takes care of reports of strikes on non-official enemies.
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