It’s gotten to the point that it appears almost like a nervous tic. Pundits and political scientists feel like it’s absolutely necessary to preface anything they have to say about Donald Trump with a caveat that “of course I know that Trump will never win the nomination.”
Here’s an example from Hans Noel over at Mischiefs of Faction:
Everyone knows the polls are wrong. We just don’t all agree on why. I don’t know anyone who thinks Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee for president, any more than Kang or Kodos were going to be. National parties don’t nominate cartoon characters for president. So what are we to make of his leading in early polls?
I have no intention of singling out or picking on Noel here. It seems like everyone is making the same disclaimer. And I think there are several motivations for it. One is simple sheepishness. People feel somewhat guilty to be writing about Trump because it lends him a credibility that they don’t think he deserves. They also don’t want to appear gullible or foolish. If they don’t rule out the possibility that Trump might win, their colleagues might think they’re drinking the hard stuff before lunch.
Additionally, I think most longtime political observers are personally offended by Trump and Trump’s success, which is why we see a lot of ad hominem attacks (e.g., he’s a “cartoon character”) that are not normally included in dispassionate political analyses.
But the most important parts of that excerpt above are not the prediction and the personal attack. The most important parts are “we don’t all agree on why” Trump is doing so well and “what are we to make of his leading in the early polls?”
Because I am not seeing too many people who have arrived at solid, confident answers to that question.
Now, I have been insisting that it’s a big mistake to look for the answer in Trump, but I need to backtrack on that just a little bit. Trump has some attributes that make it possible for him to be the messenger here. Not just anyone can demonize 11% of the population as “rapists,” call John McCain a fraud, and get a boost in the polls by calling members of his own party a bunch of stupid losers.
It’s a big asset for Trump that he can respond to attacks from Senator Lindsey Graham by giving out his cell phone number. It’s key for him that his competitors have coveted his money and his endorsement over the years. And it’s also crucial that he can point to his personal fortune to argue that he knows what he’s doing. A lot of people are willing to listen to him for no other reason than that he’s a billionaire.
So, no, Joe the Plumber couldn’t pull this off. It’s doubtful that a normal politician could pull it off.
Overall, however, people are not really responding to Trump as a guy they like personally. He’s a colossal narcissist and blowhard with manners that are horrible even by New York City standards. What they’re responding to is really two things. First, Trump’s primary message is about Latino immigration. People who don’t like Latinos are falling all over themselves to support Trump.
And, second, people have noticed that our political system is broken and that the Republican leaders, in particular, are the worst of the lot. The more you insult John McCain, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, the better you are likely to do. And it doesn’t really matter who you ask. Virtually everyone outside of the Beltway genuinely loathes these people and enjoys seeing them insulted. The other candidates are stuck on insulting Democrats, but there’s nothing original or exciting in a Republican candidate for office insulting Hillary Clinton.
Simply by championing white nativism and waging war on the Republican leadership, Trump has doubled his support even as the Beltway narrators clutch their pearls and act appalled.
And that gets to this idea that political parties do not nominate cartoon characters. I think that’s a tough sell after the Republican Party did just that seven years ago with Sarah Palin.
I think the experts are just reluctant to come to terms with the current state of the Republican Party. Without going into everything that is going wrong with the GOP, it’s a party that is coming apart at the seams. And it’s deeply unpopular with its own base. Just this week we saw the Senate Majority Leader called a liar by a colleague on the Senate floor and a tepid challenge to Speaker Boehner’s gavel by a North Carolina backbencher in the House of Representatives.
It’s against this backdrop that Trump is moving rapidly up the polls even as the party and the media move to marginalize him.
What needs to be understood, first and foremost, is that we’re nearing the logical conclusion of a sequence of decisions that the right has made over the last several decades to delegitimize our core institutions. In this I include most obviously the political chattering class, but also the federal government (the presidency, Congress, and the Supreme Court), the Republican leadership, academia, and more recently even the scientific community. The result is that a huge swath of the right-leaning electorate can no longer be reached. The only messengers who still have credibility with these folks are the ones who are willing to call bullshit on the whole enchilada.
Keep a couple of important concepts in mind. First, the right hasn’t just been sold a bill of goods on things like voter fraud and Benghazi and Obamacare. They’ve also been promised a bunch of things that the Republican politicians either had no ability or no intention to fulfill. The Republican bigwigs don’t want to ban abortion. This isn’t Falangist Spain or Paraguay or Saudi Arabia. This isn’t Greece, either, and the GOP leaders have no desire to abolish the IRS. When the Republicans last had a man in the Oval Office, he vastly increased the power of the Department of Education and created a huge new prescription drug entitlement program for the elderly. This wasn’t some aberration. The Republicans who hold federal office aren’t nearly as opposed to federal power as they’d like their base of supporters to believe. They also have the ability to jettison their own bullshit when the bullshit hits the fan, which is why they pay our debts and why they gave the banks a huge bailout despite it contradicting their previously declared ideology. What we’re seeing now is a growing realization that nominating another Bush and expecting these promises to be kept is Einstein’s definition of insanity.
The second thing to keep in mind is that the right has been enduring a string of brutal defeats which have only been mitigated somewhat by their successes in the last two midterm elections. The Supreme Court just legalized gay marriage in all 50 states, which wasn’t what the right had in mind when they went to polls in droves in 2004 to pass anti-gay marriage initiatives and referendums. We just normalized relations with Cuba and are talking about making an historic agreement with Iran. The Confederate Flag just lost its last semblance of official respectability. The Affordable Care Act survived its last serious legal challenge and is here to stay.
And they’ve been badly discredited, too. Iraq didn’t go as planned. Gitmo didn’t go as planned. Torturing folks didn’t go as planned. Massive tax cuts and deregulation didn’t go as planned.
So, when you add all of this up, you have a movement that is completely lost at sea with terrible morale.
And their prospects are even dimmer as the younger generations do not share their values or mourn the America that we’re leaving behind. Demographic changes make it harder for conservatives to win each successive presidential election, which is another reason beyond pure race-hatred why the Latino issue touches such a nerve with these folks.
Now, finally, add in the changing economy and the shrinking middle class, which are stressing people out regardless of their ideology.
It shouldn’t be a shock to people that the right in this country is in a mood.
And right about now a “cartoon character” looks better than the real thing.
So, what’s driving Trump up in the polls is mostly not about Trump at all. I think a better way of asking this question is try to get at what is driving everyone else down.
Even without new campaign finance laws that make it impossible for the Republican Party leadership to control the nominating process, we’d still be seeing mayhem in their ranks. They’ve been led on and lied to, told to trust no one, taught to disrespect everything, and their reward is defeat and hopelessness.
Until you understand what a massive fraud has been perpetrated on the right by the right, you will not begin to understand Trump’s success.
Before he could begin to be plausible, they first had to prepare the ground so that Birtherism would strike these people as plausible. Donald Trump didn’t do that; he just exploited it once it was done.
And he’s still exploiting it.
So, when no one you know thinks that Trump will be the nominee, maybe they’re correct. But maybe they just haven’t thought this through because the consequences are too frightening and depressing to contemplate.
Do I think Trump will be the nominee?
No, not really.
But I don’t preface everything I have to say about him with some assurance that it will never happen.
The GOP is truly, finally, totally fucked up. And it’s the biggest national disaster I’ve ever witnessed.
The only thing I’m confident about is that this will not end well.
“Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller got into an argument and George Wallace won.” – Jonathon Rauch 2010
Some time last winter, both the media and (I suppose) some of the so-called candidates decided that it would be fun and profitable to start the 2016 campaign.
Endless coverage took over the internet and cable TV news. It was interrupted only by mass shootings and plane crashes. When those stories peter out, the candidate coverage returns. The political news is filler for a media business that needs to put out new shit every couple of hours.
So here we are 16 months from the election with two dozen so-called candidates and a scrum of reporters and bloggers just itching to breathlessly share the latest tweet, sound bite, or scandal then take a poll to see how the “news” affects each candidate.
So if some asshole pollster is going to call me up and ask me if I am a Republican, I will lie and say yes. If they ask me who I want to be president I will lie and say trump just because I hate america, the media, and this whole stupid mess.
But… since I don’t have a landline, no one cares what I think or if I’m lying about it.
I suppose it is possible this trump phenomenon is the GOP chicken coming home to roost, but I don’t agree. This is a media story. We see you learning how to manipulate political campaigns. We see demagogues learning how to manipulate the media. We see the danger you pose to civil society by putting up a cartoon character and marveling at your power to force us all to pay attention and pick sides.
If I were more paranoid, I’d be tempted to see this all as very sinister. Mostly I just find it boring.
The people who like Trump and want him to be president don’t think he’s a cartoon character. I think they really, truly believe he would be a great leader. They like “brash with cash” and respect him for “telling it like it is”. They are fine that he was all over the birth certificate because they still don’t believe Obama is a natural citizen. They love his thoughts on immigration and believe we could build a giant wall to separate us from the Mexicans.
Never mind that he’s a liar and a flip-flopping egomaniac who has never held public office and would make our country a laughingstock around the world. This is how the Republican fans of Trump retaliate against their Grand Old Party, which has let them down for years. They are like spoiled rotten children who are thumbing their noses at the grownups because they haven’t gotten their way.
Great post, Boo.
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So it’s all about stupidity and envy and greed? That has been around a lot longer than Trump. The difference now, is perhaps that it has gotten organized and legitimized by the perfidy of the GOP leadership.
You say you don’t think Trump will be the nominee. I tend to agree, but it is an interesting exercise to game out how this might come to pass – always stipulating that polls 12 months out don’t mean much. Remember 2012 where we has something like 6 GOP contenders all leading the polls for at least a month.
Let us stipulate that Stupid Envious and Greedy (SEG) vote maxes out at (say) 30% of GOP primary voter base. And let us suppose they aren’t all coach potatoes and keyboard warriors and are at least as likely as the other 70% to organize, donate and vote.
All Trump needs to win is to ensure at least 3 or 4 other candidates remain viable and split the other 70% between them and a couple of other strong regional candidates. So Bush, Walker, Rand and Rubio each have significant constituencies and fail to knock each other out early. Kasich, Christie, Huckabee, Perry and Jindal aare strong enough to win their own Home states, but perhaps not much more than that. That’s an awful lot of delegates already tied up and unavailable for the front runner. Trump wins Iowa and new Hampshire and New York and a few other states where the vote is hopelessly split. He has the money to advertise and stay in the game as others drop out.
He may not get a majority of the delegates, but he gets a plurality, and a lot of other candidates with billionaire backing remain power brokers in the game with some pledged delegates coming up to Convention time. The Billionaires get together and agree Trump is their man with (say) Scott Walker as no. 2 and and a bunch of backroom deals to cut taxes and gut welfare etc.
It shouldn’t be too much of a problem cobbling together a majority around that sort of platform. Effectively half a dozen billionaires and their bought and paid for politicians will make the decision.
Could we have an election between Trump and Sanders? Be still, my heart!
You might have “moderate” establishment Republicans crossing over in open Dem Primaries to vote for Hillary just to prevent that possibility…
Doubt they could hold their noses long enough to do that and/or recognize early enough in the election cycle that it is strategically in their interest to do so. They aren’t the sharpest tack in the box.
It makes much more sense for a Republican to try to influence the Republican choice. Hillary or Bernie won’t make much difference to them because either will be limited by the House.
We could hope for a wave election.
And Hillary is more likely to create a wave than Saunders?
The Clinton ripple is more likely that point just before the tide begins to go out than turn into an onshore wave.
Hilary is a closet Republican. If she is elected NOTHING will change. She is the candidate of the status quo.
What use is the power to improve people’s lives if you only want to improve the lives of a select few?
To be fair, Hillary is a circa 1946-1980 Republican. As was BushI. And then not at the far left side of the GOP. A recent example of the GOP left is Lincoln Chaffee.
no one knows at this point, but Booman posted re: the Clinton strategy – defensive rather than offensive in my summary – and they are not trying for a wave. opportunity lost if she’s the nominee. sanders is certainly campaigning for a wave but too soon to tell if he can get the nomination
I rate them as slim to none. Sending money anyway. I guess I’m just an incurable romantic, or a nut.
Hell, one of the guys I worked with took a good vacation day and spent $150 to watch the Cubs play.
Game was rained out. Oh well, it was the Cubs anyway.
sending money is key at this point; and numbers of donors means a lot – I’m sending money also. we have to try; and the Clinton campaign being Clinton may sabotage itself in who knows how many ways, so this way we are ready.
So-called wave elections are over-rated because they are reduced to “throw the X bums out and replace them with the Y guys.” Then the “Y guys” turn into “bums” and then “X bums” don’t look quite so bad. Rinse. Repeat.
Maybe the Y bums should actually try to do what they promised instead of filling their freezers and Cayman Island accounts with cash. Or doing insider trading on knowledge they gain in closed committee hearings (completely legal BTW).
Maybe the Y bums are in fact, bums.
It’s hard for me to predict what will happen in the Republican nominating contest. The rules are being rewritten as we move along through this campaign. Ailes and Fox apparently have strangled the Republican Party (as an organization) in its crib. I don’t think Ailes will willingly give up the power he has worked for since he worked for Nixon.
The FEC is powerless.
The Koch Brothers and other billionaires are tweaking the tactics they were handed after their Citizens United win.
We’re in uncharted territory.
You mention lots of defeats of the national GOP in recent years. But I think you’re too sanguine. There’s a real risk of another government shutdown and another fight over the debt limit. (As CalculatedRisk argues, these battles never happen during an actual election year, so it’ll happen this year.) The national GOP still has power to mess things up mightily, and they’ll use it in their flailing attempts to rile up their voters.
But more than that, at the state and local level, the GOP is getting stronger in many respects. And from that revitalized base they can build a new national organization. Look at what the bigwig GOP governors have done to destroy their states (Brownback, Walker, Kasich, Scott, Christie, Jindal, etc., etc.) They’re terribly unpopular (at least for a sizable minority of the state), but Democrats haven’t found a way to vote them out of office (or keep them from winning in the first place). Look at the ever-increasing restrictions on abortion and access to voting, regressive taxes and fees, cuts in education and social services, attacks on environmental regulation, attacks on public accommodations in the name of “religious freedom”, gutting of gun safety rules, resources wasted on suing the Obama administration, etc., etc.
Can Trump win? Dunno. But I do know that someone is going to. The conventional wisdom is that Bush will win because, well, he’s a Bush and Bushes won in the past. Or it’ll be Walker because he has won 3 elections in 4 years (or whatever) and because the Koch Brothers love him. Or it’ll be Kasich because Ohio is essential. None of those arguments seem compelling to me.
JEB! has a huge amount of baggage and is not a vibrant personality that generates affection the way RWR did. He’s not smart and successful the way Rmoney is. He’s facing lots of well-funded opposition the way none of the recent nominees did. Similarly with the others.
Trump has lots of advantages in this age of “policies don’t matter; voters choose based on visceral gut reactions” TV-driven politics. He would be a disaster as president, of course, and he’ll never win there, but he very well could win the Republican nomination if he really wants it. (Smart reporters would be looking at what he’s doing in the primary states to see if he’s actually doing the legwork to get on all the ballots and get people to turn out. Dunno if that is actually happening.)
My (overly long) $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
The point about the Republican power at the state level is a good one. However, a fight over the debt limit is not a win for the Republican party; it’s a win for the nutcases trying to take it over. Boehner/McConnell/etc. do NOT want a shutdown; they know what a disaster it would be.
I think the only thing they’re consistent about is doing as little as possible to keep the Teabaggers from throwing them out of the leadership. They have shown absolutely no inclination to confront the bombthrowers so that they can actually do their leadership jobs.
I have absolutely no sympathy for Boehner and McConnell. Whether they “want” a shutdown or not, they have the power to prevent it, but they haven’t wanted to use it.
It’s hard to know what will happen in September (it’s hard enough to predict what might happen next week), but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s another shutdown for a couple of weeks. I don’t expect a default on the debt, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Teabagger caucus demands some very painful things in exchange for enough votes to raise the limit…
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
I think you’re misunderstanding what they think their job is. The way I think they see it is that their job is to keep the Democrats from doing anything. The strategy is to blame the Dems, as the party in power (well, they still have the Presidency). Keeping the Republicans in line voting against any/every administration request or Democratic policy is hard work and very time-consuming. Think herding cats.
That’s a lovely picture, and I think I’m going to steal it, but an added soupcon of irony would be to make it “drowned in the bathtub.”
Great post, yes. Another side of it is that at this point the R candidates can’t run on their actual programs (more for the billionaire class, beat everone else into submission) so they’re left with nothing.
imo the fact that Bernie is running puts everything in a different light; the problems aren’t going away, all of us in the 99.9% know we’re in trouble and Bernie is tremendously articulate. I guess if the R nomination looks to be going towards Trump they’ll have a brokered convention – who knows. by then there will be months of Bernie articulating the real problems, Hillary hemming and hawing and lots of smoke and mirrors on the R side.
… all of us in the 99.9% know we’re in trouble
Not exactly. The top 5% (in income and wealth) live very well and have job and financial security. The next 5-10% are doing well enough that they have reasonable expectations that they can make it to the top 5%. Thus, “the 99%” doesn’t resonate with them.
Add in the massive number of people that believe they are middle class that are in fact one major illness/injury, permanent layoff, etc. from a sudden and irreversible slide into permanent austerity, but nevertheless vote for tax cuts, more war, and sticking it the poor, women, and minorities.
So, consciously, that 99% is less than a majority.
ok, say 95%. as far as the rest goes (and we assume the 27% of whatever) that’s my point about Sanders – he’s articulating what the real problems are; it doesn’t matter what class ppl think they are if their kids can’t afford to raise a family or buy a house; blaming some “other” for their problems, holding out the fantasy of trickle down or winning the lottery works as long as no one explains the overall picture in a coherent manner. Sanders is doing this and ppl are listening.
Well sure. If they could sit still long enough to pay attention to what Sanders is saying. By and large they have been so thoroughly politicized that they are deaf and stick to the GOP regardless of how crazy the GOP candidate is and how sane the DEM candidate is.
Well, the granny-starvers seem to think the olds don’t care about their kids’ problems. That’s why Paul Ryan and JEB! say they want to destroy Social Security and Medicare for the youngs, but not for the people getting the benefits now. They think that will go over just fine, and it seems to work.
“Even without new campaign finance laws that make it impossible for the Republican Party leadership to control the nominating process…”
This is why I believe that the Repub bosses will eventually seek some common ground with Dems re campaign finance reform.
I remember Goldwater, and McGovern — whom the AFL-CIO refused to endorse.. It can get worse for a party.
And one of those would have become one of the worst Presidents and one would have become among the best.
But which one, Marie? 🙂
Buckley (1976) paved the way for cartoon candidates. Took a while to get going, but Robertson, Buchanan, Perot, and Forbes were just as vile and/or ridiculous as Trump. And Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton didn’t make Democrats look much more rational and thoughtful. Although to be fair, clowns, zero electoral qualifications, and has beens that weren’t more than marginal in their prime aren’t prevalent in Democratic Party primaries. (Even Kucinich that Democrats laughed at had long been in public office. And he was accorded less respect than Bachmann.)
In the modern era, beginning in 1964, Republicans have been shoveling candidates with name ID and no public office experience or anything resembling expertise in government work into races for high office. It’s what led to a joke of a Senator in CA. (George Murphy) Then Reagan, Hayakawa, and Schwarzenegger. If we’re totally ration about it, the Bush family is one big and long cartoon.
This is a fantastic post, Martin. The only thing I want to question, ironically, is your very last sentence.
All these people who’ve been fed a steady diet of Fox News 8x Concentrated Stupid are not, at this point, reclaimable for the normal, reasoned, civil political process. So, our current political stalemate will continue until the weight of the Republican Party’s folly becomes so heavy that it finally collapses, leaving only the crazified 27% to support the GOP. At that point we more or less run the map and run them into the political wilderness, and we can make true progressive changes in the country (as we did in 2009 during a brief window of Democratic full control).
Thus, the crazier they get, the closer they are to their ultimate collapse. Viewed through that lens, Trump could be the apogee/nadir. If he were actually their nominee, our candidate would likely win in a Reaganesque landslide that would enduringly alter the political map. Which would be a very good ending indeed.
Question this assumed outcome of the collapse of the GOP: we can make true progressive changes in the country
Matt Taibbi In the Age of Trump, Will Democrats Sell Out More, Or Less?
Taibbi is one of the few highly astute political observers. The Democratic Party insider elites has sucked for so long that the living memory of when it didn’t is us rapidly approaching zero.
True dat, Marie.
Neither party will totally collapse as long as the basic system in place…massive corporate wealth controlling both parties and also the mass media…continues to function. Only a massive collapse on the ’20s/’30s Great Depression level would get that job done, and considering the many technological checks and balances now policing the stock market…checks and balances that are solely meant to prevent any collapse on that level before it happens without seriously discomfiting the profit-taking buyers and sellers…only a natural or man-made disaster of epic proportions could topple the massive house of cards that the .01% has built and successfully maintained since the JFK fiasco.
Question Taibbi as well. Astute as he is, he still hasn’t accepted the plain truth of the matter. The DemRats cannot “sell out” more or less. They’ve already been bought, lock, stock and (
bottom of the) barrel. Totally owned goods cannot sell themselves. Only their owners can sell them, and in this case there are no other potential buyers.So it goes.
Trump?
One way or another he’ll get thumped if he does not totally reassure the Corporate Police of his intention to continue their scam.
Watch.
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Brilliant article, Martin. One I’m sharing with all my friends. If the world were a sane place, you’d have a column in the New York Times rather than hacks like Brooks, Dowd, Friedman and Douthat.
Michael Gerson basically understands.
I read that piece as a collective Republican party suicide-note by a dissenting victim.
“I’m not sure how a divide this deep can be bridged.”
Now you say.
Back after the 2008 elections I made several posts here or elsewhere that pretty much said what you describe would happen. Seriously, what else was the GOP going to do unless it was overtaken by someone with the vision and competence and charisma of Obama (but with obviously different ideology) to win over enough people to make the wing nuts irrelevant?
Good job boo