There are several interesting things in this astute David Atkins column at Political Animal.
Let me put them out there for you. First, there’s the recognition that food and family assistance programs are resented by virtually everyone who doesn’t use them, but the degree of anger and the preferred solutions differ depending on whether you’re near the edge or not. In other words, relatively comfortable white suburban folks might have an unrealistically idealized view of how easy life is when you’re getting by on food stamps and welfare. They tend to think it’s a scam and that people should forego every creature comfort before they accept one dime of assistance. But working folks in the city whose neighbors are getting government help are also pissed off. The difference is that they’re well aware that they might need the help themselves if their job goes away or some other misfortune visits them, so their resentment simmers but it doesn’t lead them to call for cuts. What both groups share is a belief that the government looks out for the rich and the poor but doesn’t do squat for hard working folks in the middle.
Another part of this piece that I enjoyed is how Atkins looks at distortions created by our two-party system. We don’t examine this aspect of our politics enough, in my opinion.
It’s an artifact of America’s peculiar winner-take-all political system that we only have two functional parties. Economically, this means that the conservative party works to align the middle class with the wealthy against the poor, while the liberal party works to align the poor and the middle class against the rich. But the middle class ideally wants to promote its own interests above all, and all too often it seems to them like no one is doing that.
Fortunately, there is no reason that Democrats need to reduce empathy or benefits to the poor in order to accomplish this. Policies like universal healthcare, student loan reform, housing reform and others serve to benefit everyone in the 99%, and can be accomplish[ed] without making any cuts to the most unfortunate and oppressed in society.
One might object that the liberal party needs to raise money, too, and are increasingly uninterested in alienating the wealthy donors and (suburban) voters they need to be a successful organization. I’m of two minds about this. Yes, there’s more money in politics than ever and it changes how the parties behave. The obviously bad part of this is it that blurs people’s choices. There isn’t a party out there that has the workers’ interests as their primary directive. In a multiparty system, we’d have unapologetic union representation at the table at all times, for example.
On the other hand, a true governing party, particularly in a two-party winner-take-all system, needs to present a balanced platform that at least attempts to get the mix right for everyone. That means that a Democratic Party that wants to have a lock on the White House can’t be reflexively anti-Wall Street or pro-worker all the time across the board. It needs to serve more as broker or arbitrator. And this is more true as the other party becomes less of a good faith partner for negotiations. In the recent past, even Republicans as conservative and corrupted by money as Rick Santorum courted union votes and could be relied upon to consider their interests at least some of the time. Today, however, Republicans aren’t reliable allies to unions and they’re not reliable partners with the Chamber of Commerce, either. They won’t pave our roads or pay our bills, so the other party has to step into the breach and govern.
The positive part of this is that it gives the Democrats broad legitimacy as the only responsible and dependable party, and that’s something a majority-coalition party should have and actually needs to be successful. You could tell that the party had achieved this with Obama by the mix of donations he received and also by the fact that the Eisenhower Republicans basically abandoned their party and signed up with his program back in 2008.
Of course, this seems to have removed something critical from the Republican Party’s central nervous system, causing them to careen immediately into Know-Nothing Tea Party lunacy. But this only reinforced the cleavage between the two parties: one, a governing party, the other a party of permanent opposition.
What’s screwing up the works is that the opposition party has achieved an electoral lock on the House of Representatives, which means that the governing party isn’t permitted to govern even as it attempts to do so by taking in the interests of the wealthy, the small business community, and Wall Street.
This is one reason why I dislike the neo-liberal epithet that Atkins uses to describe this process. I think the term is poorly understood and means too many different things to different people. But, more than that, it doesn’t take into account that a party that seeks to run this big country of ours with basically less than no assistance from their political opponents has to be a Big Tent party. If the other side were reliably representing the views of the big brokerage houses and the agricultural and other big businesses, and if it were bringing the Chamber of Commerce’s positions to the table, then the Democrats could simply negotiate with the working people’s interests in mind. But, what’s actually happening is that the Republicans aren’t a broker for anyone, so the Democrats have to do all the work themselves. Now we’re the party that passes the budget and appropriates the money in John Boehner’s House and Mitch McConnell’s Senate. We’re the party that paves the roads and pays the bills on time. We’re the party that saves the Export-Import Bank, etc.
Money certainly contributes to this problem and corrupts our system, but the simple insanity of the other side and their refusal and inability to govern makes it necessary for our side to be the grownups.
In other words, for reasons of both money and votes, the Democrats can’t just be the workers’ party. But workers’ interests aren’t the only interests that have legitimacy. The Democrats aren’t being insufficiently populist simply because they’re chasing big money. They’re actually trying to fill a breach created when the Republicans abandoned their posts.
One of the prices of this is that the branding of the two parties becomes badly blurred. Leftists see the Democrats as neoliberal sell-outs, while they also become responsible for everything the government does, good and bad. And since the government can only limp along in this crippled state, it’s not too popular to be responsible for their work product.
This is why the Republicans can run the Congress so badly that people hate the federal government with a seething passion, and then win reelection in a landslide on the momentum of the anti-government feeling that they created through their obstruction and ineptitude.
Here’s how Atkins describes this result:
What they don’t like is the comfortable neoliberal “center” in which everyone is supposed to get along with a smiling corporatist agenda, letting the rich use the market to run rampant over the middle class while smoothing out the sharpest edges at the very bottom. That makes almost everyone angry.
This is about how the work product is perceived, and he’s right that the Democrats haven’t figured out how to explain the merits of what they’re doing, particularly when compared to what would happen if they gave up on representing everyone and reverted to being a party of just the left.
As a political matter, what Atkins is saying is that the middle class “wants free stuff, too” and that a successful party will figure this out and adjust their message accordingly. It’s good advice, but it isn’t so simple to implement for the simple reason that the Democrats are too busy trying to keep the lights on to do much else.
They should get credit for keeping the federal government afloat when the opposition is desperately trying to drown it in a bathtub, but they won’t get that credit because they have to be all things to all people and that prevents them from branding themselves as any one thing.
Still, where the rubber meets the road is in addressing the economic and cultural anxiety of the white middle class. If the Democrats can’t do a better job of that, and of selling that, they won’t win back the House and our government will remain crippled for the foreseeable future.
So, Atkins is basically correct.
It’s just easier said than done, that’s all.
You want a dose of pragmatism? Neoliberal economics lead to disaster.
There’s nothing inherent in a pro-worker agenda that makes it better than a pro-corporate one. But the particulars of the former (infrastructure spending, job programs, household debt reductions, demand-side spending in the form of minimum wage increases, etc.) make it in practice much better for the economy.
You know the real reason why the Democratic Party should pursue pro-worker agenda? So they don’t get clobbered in the midterms when the economy invariably goes south. FDR got fucked listening to centrists whining about the deficit. Jimmy Carter got fucked listening to centrists whining about stagflation but were unwilling to do stimulus spending + tax increases/interest rate hikes. Clinton got fucked (well, he was able to pass the hot potato to Bush, lucky him) listening to centrists on the deficit and financial deregulation. Obama got fucked listening to centrists on health care and deficit spending.
You know the pragmatic reason why I support Sanders? So the Democrats don’t get kicked in the throat in the midterms staring down a surplus-induced recession in combination with a capital bubble. Clinton’s position seems to be ‘ehhh, the economy could be doing better, but let’s not get excited. The deficit is finally coming down, so it’s time to pay down the debt!’. Unfortunately, that also seems to be the position of most neoliberals.
I guess I’m saying that it’s more difficult than that.
You can run on that platform but you can’t actually do it.
And the Democrats can’t ignore the money problem and succeed, let alone exacerbate it,
There is no simple solution when one half of the country has gone insane.
You can’t trick the overclass into thinking that you’re going to give their agenda a serious hearing. They pay more attention than the 99%, especially when money’s involved.
The Democratic Party can probably trick the upper class for exactly one cycle before they realize what’s up. Then they’re faced with the choice of taking a dive with the economy in order to suck up some sweet plutocracy bucks or they forced to find some what to compete without their money.
Just another reason to support Sanders I suppose. We either have to wean ourselves off of their money or we can let a recession/policy fuckup do it for us when we water down (or go without) a stimulus or reduce Social Security benefits or deregulate finance whatever the crap the overclass wants.
The Democratic Party can probably trick the upper class for exactly one cycle before they realize what’s up.
Not sure that’s quite correct. It’s when the GOP stops serving their interests well enough that they switch for one or two election cycles. Their default position is always with the GOP because throughout most periods of an economic cycle, they get a little bit more with Republican policies.
An industry example — public works construction contractors. Almost exclusively dependent on governments — local, state, and federal — for revenues. Their best times are when the economy is robust and government revenues are strong enough to increase spending above the minimal “must be done.” These contractors aren’t so dumb that they don’t recognize that the US economy is better under Democratic administrations with a Democratic Congress and that generally means more revenues for them. Plus, Democrats are more prone to spending more on infrastructure projects than Republicans. Yet, 80+% of those owners and/or CEOs and senior executives are Republicans. And not for any of that guns, gays, and god reasons. Republican policies simply leave them with more money in their pockets.
People who say things like “Obama got fucked listening to centrists on health care and deficit spending” need a big dose of historical reality.
We achieve major Federal health care reform, the Great White Whale for progressives, and the President gets sniped at by single-payer advocates and other absolutists. Reduced to one of its essences, the Affordable Care Act taxes rich people and regulates corporations in order to pay for better access to quality health care for poor and middle class Americans. What is wanted here, exactly?
The reason we couldn’t achieve the wholesale destruction of the private health care insurance market and the stripping of Big Pharma profit-taking is not because the President listened to centrists; that’s simply not what happened. What happened is a half-dozen Senators in the Democratic Caucus were centrists and would always remain opposed to a better ACA. Since no Senate Republican “centrists” came across the aisle to lend support, the highly progressive ACA is what was politically achievable. I’m frankly amazed that Obama and Reid were able to get Senators like Ben Nelson to vote for it; that actually shows a great deal of progressive political acumen on their parts.
We’ve run massive Federal budget deficits during Obama’s Presidency, necessarily so. I concede that he got his policies wrapped around the axel of his rhetoric sometimes, and it wasn’t helpful when he said things which gave political legitimacy to deficit scolds. But come on, “a surplus-induced recession?” We’re still running annual deficits of nearly a half-billion dollars, and the deficits are projected to rise again in future years.
I think Obama’s decision to respond to deficit discussions when they were at their hottest and funnel them into the Simpson-Bowles Commission can now be seen as politically brilliant. The rules of the Commission and the ideologies of its members were certain to create sufficient gridlock that an official set of recommendations would not get to the floors of Congress. That left Simpson and Bowles to put forth their own personal half-baked recommendations which had insufficient political buy-in from Republicans of Democrats.
Here’s a sign of Obama’s success here: are any GOP POTUS candidates talking about taking up the mantle of Simpson-Bowles? Are they talking about deficit reduction much at all? Hell, they’re talking about running up the deficit by increasing Defense spending, and they’re fascinatingly unspecific and muted in their usual desire to cut non-Defense spending.
Fine. Whatever. A combination of factors made it so that Obama’s hands are pure and clean on the health care and deficit fuckups such that it’s noootttt hiiisss faaaauuullllt yet he still somehow gets to take credit for the Republican freakout. I don’t see how that substantially changes what I said.
One: The deficit is projected to increase?? That’s a new one. Everything I heard has us at -200 billion in the middle of 2016. I’ll try to fish up some cites, but I’d like to hear some of your own.
Two: No. It was not brilliant. He was flirting with disaster for no political or material gain. What exactly did he gain from all that? Some VSP cred in the media for acting like an adult — even though the GOP still gets treated as default as the responsible party in power with the US’s financial interests in mind?
Even if the risk is low, low risk for no gain is still stupid. What if the Republican Party had caught on that Bowles-Simpson would be the perfect way to destroy Obama’s Presidency economically? What if the Tea Party people were suddenly cowed?
As for taking on the mantle of Simpson-Bowles: OF COURSE FUCKING NOT. The GOP does not give a hot damn about deficit reduction and neither do their supporters. Again, I don’t know how you can construe that as a tactical win. The GOP ‘lost’ on an issue they had no intent of pursuing seriously nor would be punished for by their base or the media. Let’s get one thing clear: if the GOP wins in 2016, we will see deficit spending and probably a stimulus package.
It completely baffles me how you can spin any of that as a win or Obama looking like an adult. Its just internalization of neoliberal values, most of which are open hypocrisies to the media and GOP. Only the Democratic Party, idiots that they are, seem to think that being known as the responsible party who’s willing to fuck themselves over in the short and medium-term for ‘better governing’ buys into that malarky.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/49973
You’re right, in 2016 the deficit is projected by the CBO to be at around 500 billion. My error.
Obama’s Simpson-Bowles Commission was carefully considered, and resulted in an outcome which turned us away from the disaster that Congress was openly flirting with. Let’s start with the timing, construct and rules Obama set for the Commission.
The greatest danger in 2010 was that Congress would cut the deficit immediately in response to the bullshit that was being flung around at the time, aided by our horrible corporatist media, that large budget deficits were causing unemployment, underemployment and stagnant wage growth. Let’s remind ourselves of the history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform
“The original proposal for a commission came from bipartisan legislation that would have required Congress to vote on its recommendations as presented, without any amendment. In January 2010, that bill failed in the Senate by a vote of 53-46, when six Republicans who had co-sponsored it nevertheless voted against it.”
So we see that Obama did not invent the concept of a deficit commission in the middle of the Great Recession. You express retrospective concern: “What if the Republican Party had caught on that Bowles-Simpson would be the perfect way to destroy Obama’s Presidency economically?” This is exactly what Obama wished to circumvent by, in the immediate wake of that January vote, proposing Simpson-Bowles. This new Commission of his was crucially different from the much more dangerous one the Senate considered and voted on:
These claims of yours amuse me greatly:
“What if the Tea Party people were suddenly cowed?” In the runup to the 2010 election? You absolutely have to be fucking kidding me. The TEA Party, predictably, was SCREEEEEEAMING in the ears of the Republican appointees on Simpson-Bowles to vote No on all revenue increases, and you couldn’t significantly decrease the deficit and get 14 votes if there were no major revenue increases.
“The GOP does not give a hot damn about deficit reduction and neither do their supporters.” This claim is causing quite a number of problems for GOP leaders, isn’t is? Tell Cantor and Boehner and the 2012 and 2016 GOP Presidential candidates that their base does not care about deficit reduction. No, you’re wrong on that one.
Why are you posting the contours of the agreement? Who gives a shit about all that? The Democratic Party never should have negotiated in the first place. They should have either minted the trillion dollar platinum coin or told the Republican Party to fuck off the first time around. It doesn’t matter that Bowles-Simpson was some form of damage control, because it should have never gotten to that point in the first place!
But it got to that point in the first place because the Democratic Party establishment believes in all of that horseshit about debts. They approached the entire debacle with the mindset that they were facing a hardball negotiation rather than a hostage situation. The only way you could possibly justify that is by assigning the media such vast powers of propaganda that they would have destroyed Obama for not giving into Republican demands. Which is, again, a hobgoblin of establishment Democratic thinking — being so obsessed about the media’s thinking that they’re willing to intentionally damage the country in order to have a few good news cycles.
Life is not a fucking Batman comic where the actions of your opponents are completely specified due to some armchair psychoanalysis. You should never primarily base your strategy upon the premise that your opponent is stupid or won’t figure out what’s going on.
As it turns out, the Tea Party didn’t catch on. Great. The Democratic Party got lucky. But again, aside from some non-existent media adulation that never came, what did they gain from that debacle? You can justify low-risk, low-reward, but you can’t justify low-risk, no-reward. And yes, there was always some risk in the strategy. See below.
No, really, the base doesn’t care about deficit reduction. They want specific targeted cuts to programs and they want spending to be allocated a certain way. Which sounds like deficit reduction, but as you might have noticed, what they want is a contradiction since the only ways to actually achieve deficit reduction is with actions the base hates.
All evidence points to them whining no matter what outcome the GOP pursues, but because tax increases and serious non-military spending cuts are unpopular, the best bet for the Republican Party is just to ignore or cajole the base’s whining about the deficit unless they can be corralled into doing what the establishment wants. Hence the GOP and their enablers not actually wanting or caring about the deficit.
Simpson-Bowles was not “some form of damage control”. Simpson-Bowles literally prevented Congress from doing any damage to SS/Medi/Medi/SNAP/UI in 2010, or from cutting the budget at all that year. It was designed to do this and it did it, so, no damage to control.
Events are conflated in your litany here. The $1 billion platinum coin idea was brought up during the fight to raise the debt ceiling. There were no debt ceiling negotiations in 2010, during the year of Simpson-Bowles, so the platinum coin didn’t enter into it. The debt ceiling crisis happened in late July/early August 2011, by which time the President and a Congress under even more Republican control had concluded the 2011 budget negotiations.
“But it got to that point in the first place because the Democratic Party establishment believes in all of that horseshit about debts.“
Why did the debt ceiling need to be raised in the middle of 2011? Because, after six extra months of negotiations and seven Continuing Resolutions, Obama and Congress finalized the 2011 budget. What was the 2011 budget deficit? $1.3 billion dollars and 8.5% of national GDP, the third-highest deficit as a percentage of GDP since 1946.
Which four Federal budget years ran the highest deficits as a percentage of GDP since 1946?
2009 through 2012, inclusive.
The deficit spending during the years the Federal budget financed the Vietnam War and Great Society programs simultaneously, during the years Reagan cut taxes and blew up defense spending simultaneously…none of those years came anywhere close to running the large budget deficits racked up during the Obama Administration.
Just as Obama’s failure as a dedicated Marxist/Communist/Socialist can be measured by the terrific performance of the capitalistic stock market during his term, his failure as a deficit scold can be measured by the historically massive Federal budget deficits which he has successfully negotiated with Congress.
This deficit spending was entirely necessary, and I agree that we could have used more of it. I also concede that the sequester cuts which reduced discretionary spending on social, infrastructure and other non-Defense programs have been damaging to people and the economy. But Obama also managed to force the Republicans to accept equivalent sequester cuts to Defense spending, the first time Defense has been cut since the Clinton Administration. Defense spending is now on track to soon reach its lowest level as a percentage of GDP in the post-WW II era.
A final amusement comes from your angry rejection for what you claim as “armchair psychoanalysis,” even though I listed major electoral and leadership purges happening within the Republican Party and constant radical rightward pushes of the 2012 and 2016 GOP POTUS candidates during the primary campaigns by their radicalized base. That’s not psychoanalysis, that’s goddamn electoral reality.
You know what is “armchair psychoanalysis”? Claiming that President Obama and the entirety of today’s Democratic Party establishment…
“…believes in all of that horseshit about debts. They approached the entire debacle with the mindset that they were facing a hardball negotiation rather than a hostage situation. The only way you could possibly justify that is by assigning the media such vast powers of propaganda that they would have destroyed Obama for not giving into Republican demands. Which is, again, a hobgoblin of establishment Democratic thinking — being so obsessed about the media’s thinking that they’re willing to intentionally damage the country in order to have a few good news cycles.”
All psychological mumbojumbo meant to back up claims that are directly refuted by the deficit numbers, and by the successful preservations of the major New Deal and Great Society programs during these hostage-taking attempts.
Also, re. this:
“No, really, the base doesn’t care about deficit reduction. They want specific targeted cuts to programs and they want spending to be allocated a certain way. Which sounds like deficit reduction, but as you might have noticed, what they want is a contradiction since the only ways to actually achieve deficit reduction is with actions the base hates.“
Significant portions of the GOP base voters care about budget Federal deficits and national debt more than anything else. Their belief in this has had major electoral consequences. The shocking primary loss by Majority Leader Cantor happened, as has the ousting of their Speaker of the House. Neither of these outcomes had take place since 1917, before our current two-party system. Boehner’s push out the door was related to the dozens of TEA Party-supported candidates who defeated candidates closer to the GOP establishment. All of them, particularly Cantor’s conqueror, ran on eliminating budget deficits.
It actually fits as a jigsaw puzzle with the current Republican craze to crank up to 11 their Southern Strategy rhetoric and electoral campaign strategies. Brown and black people are the problem. If we cut their programs and deport them we would return to budget surpluses, which would fix the economy for real Americans immediately.
Lie, lie, lie and lie…but those lies are deeply and sincerely believed by these propaganda-addled base voters. Of course the base’s deficit reduction policy preferences are contradictory, practically and politically unachievable, and would not result in the deficit reductions they claim would happen.
That is not because they don’t give a shit about budget deficits; that is an incorrect reading as the history reveals. It is because these base voters are engaging in magical thinking, thoroughly and increasingly removed from reality.
Fixed it for you:
Some of us here only agree with one of those opinions. But we can also recall that Republicans have been nuts for decades and have been driving national, state and local politics throughout that period of time to the detriment of 90% of Americans who for whatever reason, don’t give a damn.
Our air warfare campaigns in multiple Middle Eastern countries are being thoroughly revealed as both counterproductive and highly ineffective in achieving our stated goals, all outcomes that were knowable in advance. When you and others attack Obama and Clinton on those campaigns, I join in or let your comments speak for me, and grade some as excellent comments. I find these programs and the murders they create both horrifying and infuriating.
Instead, we’re having ongoing discussions about domestic policy histories where I’m bringing facts to the fore. I’m largely unpersuaded by your responses in these discussions, but I consider them worth the time. Our Frog Pond mates get to make their own calls.
What happened was a shortage of iron will. And steely determination. And ruthlessness.
Right on time, Brother.
There’s nothing inherent in a pro-worker agenda that makes it better than a pro-corporate one. But the particulars of the former (infrastructure spending, job programs, household debt reductions, demand-side spending in the form of minimum wage increases, etc.) make it in practice much better for the economy.
What part of this “pro-worker” agenda wasn’t pursued by the Democratic party? Are you suggesting that the neoliberals are blocking this agenda? As far as I can tell virtually all Democrats support these things. If Bernie was President this stuff would pass Congress?
The pragmatic reason not to support Sanders is that you cannot win elections without money. Even if we accept the ridiculous proposition that Bernie can raise a billion dollars in small donations or even win the WH without big money, how about the rest of the Democratic ticket? What does Cory Booker do when the media asks him whether Wall Street owns him like Bernie says he is owned? If Sanders is the nominee what happens to corporate and billionaire donations to the DNC?
Bernie’s revolution is going to win the White House and Congress on people power and $30 individual contributions?
So it’s time for some math. Let’s hold that all dollars for the election are created equal. (They aren’t by a long shot, as money raised by the Campaign itself has in general 3 times the spending power of money raised by a Super Pack because of laws giving preferred rates to Campaigns.) For Bernie Sanders to raise 1 billion dollars he’d only need 200 dollars from 5 million people, 100 dollars from 10 million people, 50 dollars from 20 million people, or 25 dollars from 40 million people.
If so called liberals bother to put their money where their mouth is, this is eminently doable given a presidential election voter share of over 60 million people. If there aren’t 10 million liberals in this country who can find 100 dollars between now and March of next year, in however many increments they want to give it in as the cap is 2500 hundred dollars, then that is the real testament that the Sanders Revolution was never real to begin with.
I get that working class people don’t think the government does anything for them. But part of the problem is that’s just not true.
http://www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlemen
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When we have to budget within an inch of our lives to make sure we pay our bills each month but our Obamacare subsidies are $10 it kind of rankles.
But your link itself points out the case for tax expenditure benefits that are unfavorable to middle and working class families. That’s something people see every year directly where benefits are an indirect help causing a perception problem.
I guess I’m missing the argument as to WHY the Democrats need to be that big of a big tent party. Why do they need to represent the interests of brokerage houses etc.?
The Republicans as crazy as they are do that. And even if they can’t what are the elites going to do? Either they control the gop and so its fine, or they can’t control the republicans and that means they either form a new party which we badly need or need the Dems more than the Dems need them if the Dems pursue a middle class agenda meaning they have to deal with crumbs handed out.
Another thing is maybe the lights need to go off on occasion. Right now people can operate largely consequence free and it helps distort their thinking. It’s not a pleasant thought but we can’t really go on like this.
The simple answer to “why” isn’t that simple.
Partly, the influence of money and the weakening of left-wing (organized labor) money means that the Dems can’t compete financially if all the business money goes to the GOP.
Partly, the GOP has abandoned the appropriations process, repeatedly and structurally reliant now on Democrats to pay our bills and keep the government open. To accomplish this, they have to swallow their pride and half their platform, but it’s still the right thing to do.
Partly, because the GOP won’t do what either big or small business wants done, the Dems have to represent their interests, too, regardless of wanting and needing their money. That’s because we have to do at least a little legislating even though we’re not technically in charge. And we need the Republican leadership’s support to get anything done. So, to represent our own interests on the left we have to buckle to interests on the right, but we’d do this anyway in a “normal” negotiation process.
Basically, we’re keeping this country from collapsing and trying to do it as the minority party in Congress. It puts restraints on us that don’t allow us to be a clear, populist party of the left.
The correct line is to let it all go smash. Sure, there’ll be some casualties, but chances are we won’t be among them.
The party, and the state, that arises from the ashes however, will be glorious.
This is guaranteed by the dialectic.
I have never pretended I won’t be among the casualties or that a better situation is guaranteed.
I appreciate your willingness to reckon with political realities. Pass it on.
Okay, DXM, since you like snarking about purity so much, why don’t you give us a Machiavellian analysis of the whole situation?
Let’s say that the Democratic Party decides that it needs money from the upper class to go forward and is willing to dilute an economically leftist platform in order to achieve those ends. Tell me, how much money can we expect? How many votes do we lose? What soft assets do we gain like favorable MSM coverage and what is the strength of those gains? How much closer are we pushed to economic calamity via capital gains tax cuts?
You can’t just go ‘lol purity’. You and BooMan are suggesting a course of action that knowingly puts the Democratic Party at risk in elections. I want to know exactly what we get from it, what we lose, and I also want to know the strength of these factors.
How much was raised in 2012? Add 10% for inflation and Mrs. Clinton being whiter — a lot — and more corporate — a little — than Obama.
I doubt that’s way off.
I think that an estimate of Sanders’ projected corporate/upper-class fundraising (on the assumption that he wins the Democratic nomination) versus 2012 Obama would be more illumination.
I don’t expect a precise number, because fundraising is heavily tied towards expected margins of victory. But I would like a ballpark figure of what a Sanders or Warren would get compared to a Clinton or Biden. Half? A third? Nothing? Little to no change? What?
I have two main reactions to this:
Just to add one thing about the basic income — a good way of funding it (in the future) is to tie it to a fee and dividend carbon scheme (and other natural resource / pollution taxes), such as the one advocated by James Hansen. In his version, each ton of carbon mined or drilled or imported costs X dollars, which is then equally disbursed to the public, sort of like Alaska’s oil dividend checks. Eventually the basic income would be directly tied to the commons — the air, water, land, etc. that we all collectively own as Americans — and so the income isn’t free money but rather our dividends on the things we collectively own.
Warren has virtually no footprint outside her narrow, admittedly important, but narrow, spectrum of concerns.
That makes her job much easier.
IMO this is the best article you have written in quite awhile. One of the reasons I mostly stay in the background here these days is because there are too many purity trolls here who either don’t understand or don’t want to understand what you just wrote.
The money idea is simple…if the Republican Party no longer represents anybody, the the other party MUST become a big tent party.
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There’s never been a Big-Tent-Vanguard Party.
Revolutions don’t work that way.
The other party must become even more disciplined, more ruthless, more focused like a laser on correct theory — in a word, purer — than the opposition. That’s how you reach your goal.
“Keeping the lights on” is over-rated.
Just who is it that sets the focused goals of the party?
Vanguard parties cease to be vanguard parties when they gain power; in fact they lose focus along the way to power or they are quickly defeated once in power because of failing to attend to those things outside of their ideological focus.
And nothing causes them to lose focus faster than the reactionary parties that still remain.
At the moment, it is the Republicans claiming to be the vanguard party, the next permanent majority that shows the way to the future. The Democrats are now (and since 1968) the reactionary party. That means that the Democrats are the party of old (New Deal or lefty or Blue Dog) ideas instead of new ideas born out of a changed situation. The Republicans are focused, highly focused on the destruction of the state as an institution and the use of a powerful state to project global power, suppress minorities, and dictate morals. Over against that the Democratic vanguard has what exactly? Even in a contradictory form? Single-payer healthcare (and no unanimity on that)? Climate change? Increased minimum wage? Equal protection of the law? (Maybe that as much as anything, although it is degraded with the term “identity politics” to cynically connect it with possible constituencies in the election.)
What are these vanguard principles and policies that you are talking about?
Really, it’s not that hard.
Davis, you crack me up
Fixed it for you: At the moment, it is the Republicans claiming to be the vanguard party, the next permanent majority that shows the way to the past.
Difficult to label it as a vanguard party because it has been in earnest on it’s regressive old ideas, hawked as “new,” since 1969. The only reason they didn’t succeed more quickly (and still not more than 65% of the way) is that the “New Deal” (1933-1968) went all the way down to bedrock in its reforms and institutional building, both legislatively and culturally, and comfy brick houses down get blown down so easily.
The Democratic Party and leaders in it, OTOH, got very scared of the big bad Republicans and thus, not only didn’t recognize that the New Deal work was but 50% done but also considered that Republicans did have some points and maybe we were better off without so much of that New Deal stuff.
Yet a solid majority of the public very much liked all the New Deal socialism and stable banking and educational institutions. Democratic politicians, in general, haven’t been speaking for them for decades.
The Republicans in 1964 were the “back to the future” sort of vanguard party, predicting that the future belonged to them not to communism or its softy front guys the Democrats. Those shock troops did indeed seize history, no time more graphically than the 2000 election precisely by operating as a Leninist revolutionary force instead of a political party. The Republicans – communist tactics, communist strategy, supposedly capitalist program.
The Democrats not only failed to be reactionary, even now, but failed to react as the GOP gradually seized power, one cheat at a time, one change in the way elections operated at a time, one failure of all those Eisenhowerian gentleman’s agreements at a time.
And I bet that all the time they were thinking, we are using the commie’s tactics to beat them.
As for speaking for the public, corruption is more becoming publicly for Republicans than for Democrats. Or at least the media loves to celebrate stories of legendary Republican corruption and denigrate Democratic corruption. Compare Corzine and Christie. One lost office; the other is Presidential timber.
We need to have this sort of clarifying conversation because for too long Democrats have bought the modern conservative line that the parties must and of right ought to be aligned on the basis of ideology. In their framework, they were the capitalist party and the Democrats were the communist party. That framing was what the Goldwater revolution was about and was spurred by some political science analysis pointing out the fact that at the time there were de facto four parties, all of which were contradictory coalitions: a Congressional governing party, a Congressional oppositional party, a Presidential (the Ins) governing party, and a Presidential (the Outs) opposition party. And none of them had a clear focus. That was in part because Eisenhower bi-partisanized FDR’s program in order to get elected and in part because the period 1960-1963 saw a shift in the attitude of the Presidential governing party on civil rights and the strategy for fighting the Cold War.
I think that we are at the point that the idea of a consistent ideological party is functionally dead. We tried it; it did not produce better political discourse or public virtue (Buckley’s claims for conservatism).
The other thing we need to clear away is the Enlightenment terms left-right-center. Originally the right was royalty and the church, center was the nobles and granted landowners, and left was everyone who was left out of those groups, but functionally in representation it was the townspeople and town corporations independent of grants to nobles (Marx’s “bourgeoisie”). This structure really was never transplanted to colonies nor to the states in America. It is journalistic shorthand that has lost its power to enlighten.
I’ve been reading Daniel Walker Howe’s What Hath God Wrought: The Transformation of America, 1815-1848. It is a fascinating period, one that created a lot of the problems and issues we still have, a period in which there was nominally one party (which then fragmented), one in which the animosities and craziness went much further than we have seen in the last decade, one in which new communication and transportation technology upset old arrangements, one in which the two original sins of American society were leading to hardening of attitudes on slavery and a driving expansionist imperialism that has not abated. At the end of the period, the Whigs appeared, so did the Anti-Masons, and eventually the Star-Spangled secret organization (soon branded “Know Nothings”). All of these played in the shifting multi-party and party-faction alignments up to the Civil War. And it all took place in the pretty much the same winner-take-all system we still operate under.
What is different is the control of the ballot. In those days, parties, not the state (county) printed ballots for their slate. Before that system, elections were like an Iowa caucus, with a little peach brandy or hard cider along the way. What is true now is that the two major parties (when there is a contested legislature) control the laws that govern the ballot. With a single centralized ballot of all choices, it is true that chaos would reign if it were opened statewide or countywide to every candidate or party that sought to be on it. Nominating petition requirements seek to tame this chaos within the major parties. These are all very practical measures, but they do have the effect of dramatically narrowing the range of political discourse in elections.
What is not different is the importance of committed media. In fact in that period, the media were explicitly biased and it was generally known which editors supported which candidates and which factions. That system persisted locally up to my own day; the editor in my town was known to be an Olin Johnston Democrat and not a Strom Thurmond Democrat – that is an FDR Democrat and not a Ben Tillman Democrat.
So what do we face today. We face economic factions between the people who can buy economic legislation (the 1%) and the people who can’t (the 99%). That is a lot different from Marx’s capitalist-worker split. There is however also the capitalist-worker (or as we talk about it employer-employee) split. But there is the split between finance and all other businesses. There is the split between huge multinational businesses and their smaller vendors. Between businesses and their customers. Corporations and their communities. Even the 1% have multiple conflicting splits and interests in voting; it is the ideology of “no new taxes” that drives them to knee-jerk Republicanism. In this they are no different from the “Old Republicans” of the Jackson era who opposed internal improvements because it would raise taxes, raise the economic level of everyone, bring in manufacturing (which would politically not like the zero-cost labor of slaver and would push free, that is hired, labor). They sought not to disturb their cozy social system of getting rich hand over fist off of slave labor.
The huge elephant in the room, over which there should be a debate but won’t be, is the ever spiraling cost of national security and the very entrenched corruption in the DoD’s handling of funds. Only the persistent of the patriotic obligations of war gag coverage and discussion. Police are trying to frame their corruption and spiraling costs with the same gag of war–the war on crime. There is at the moment no party dedicated to ending government corruption, least of with these sacred cows. It is a verboten topic in the two-party system. But it provides a substantial amount of profit to people who are hardnosed about “no new taxes”.
Where we are is the inability to think in terms of any political system but the ideologized two-party system. The GOP seeks to build its big tent by conversion experiences (notice the influence of the religious right) and so insists that its message must stay pure (whatever that means at the moment). The Democratic Party is lost at sea, having tried to co-opt sane Republicans as Democrats and mostly failed. And the third parties continue to see this period as their moment, which puts a sufficient number of spoiler votes on the left and right in play.
What FDR did that was brilliant was make the case that the purpose of government was effectively infrastructure and the debates over domestic spending was exactly what went into that infrastructure. The historical moment meant that when he proposed an income maintenance infrastructure available to all,the middle class were insecure enough that they saw that they were one paycheck or bad years’ crop for having to depend on that for a short while. A sufficient number of financiers understood and bought into Keynesian economics to at least allow the programs to proceed. In FDR’s day, the stereotypes of poverty were not racialized. By the time of Nixon’s ethnic strategy, the poor had been racialized as black because of the civil rights movement and King’s efforts to put poverty (of all people incidentally) on the public agenda.
The opposition then as in Reconstruction was the unwillingnesss to provide black people with the opportunities to prove their equality and accomplishment. In the Reconstruction period, people like Wade Hampton said it outright. Well, you know what Lee Atwater said about dog whistles. It is grounded in a major cultural refusal to say, “I was wrong.” One that for over 150 years has been pandered to by people who pretended not to agree with it. The behavior of Henry Ward Beecher and Harriet Beecher Stowe, among other abolitionists, in 1877 is stunning and typical. That seems to be the attitude of the many Dmeocrats who laud the Civil Rights movement even as states strip away voting rights. This is a class issue; it is the use of ethnic identity as class markers (including now Hispanics and ethnically identifiable Muslims) as the basis for legal, economic, and cultural discrimination. It is a denial of birthright citizenship and equal justice under law. This class can no longer aspire to Marx’s proletariat as the attempt is to make them permanently unemployable–if you take the logic to its conclusion. A system of out-castes for these is what the GOP is offering as a vision to its members.
The Big Tent Themes:
Infrastructure – the goods and services that the functioning of a well-functioning society requires distributed to every single person within the jurisdiction of the state.
Equal Justice Under Law – ending the corruption of wealth and power in the justices system, ensuring that every single person has a reasonable guarantee of justice. Ending the overuse of the court system by corporations as part of business strategies for domination.
Peace and Prosperity – Restoring these goals as the obligations in fact and not just lip service of government. This requires some degree of conversation about what those terms mean in a post-imperial US foreign policy and in awareness of natural resource limits.
Actual representation of people — not lip service and constituent services, not palling with local buddies and doing their agendas, not golf course confabs, resort retreats (even small city councils are wasting money this way).
The Democrats cannot be the party of the Left because the violent response to labor until the World War II strike and the prolonged repression of the left through state power including the Red Scare of the 1940s-1950s left no functioning left organizations and politics on a major scale. The current broad “progressive” multi-party and factional movement is the best you can get. And it does not have substantial geographical spread in the country. That is a historical condition that can be changed, but not quickly, and not easily when the right is super-sensitive to any growth of the left, and willing to use violence to prevent it.
The Democrats cannot be the party of the center, because it is a relative position not an ideology in the United States. Our center is the 1%, the hereditary wealthy and their aspirational competitors who have succeed enough to share an attitude. We have no monarchy and established church.
The Democrats cannot be the party of the self-described modern conservative right. That spot has been taken since 1964.
That says that the unity in the Democratic Party cannot be based on traditional Western political ideological frameworks.
That also means that the Democratic Party is neither capitalist nor socialist (not some phoney intermediary fusion in the name of bipartisanship). And both of those are not systems as much as ideologies about how to run social systems.
In the Jacksonian period fracture of the Republicans, there were the Democratic Republicans, the National Republicans, the Old Republicans, an a few die-hard Federalists. Strict constitutionalism was the primary ideological benchmark; their arguments were always framed in what the Constitution allowed. National Republicans, like John Quincy Adams always thought the Constitution allowed more in the way of ‘internal improvements’ than did the other Republicans. The Democratic Republicans however were interested in having enough internal improvements just to get their cotton to market; downstream river transport was just fine. Or to make their port competitive for serving a large hinterland.
This sort of minimalism is where both parties seem to be stuck today.
Jackson’s pet project was an independent national Treasury that could print money. He never got it just that way. What emerged in compromise was a soon-to-be dysfunctional state bank system.
It seems that government finance has become a new unacknowledged crisis, not in terms of the debt and deficit being burdensome but in the contrast between a Congress using the existing debt as political leverage while banks sit on $15 trillion in cash worldwide, much of that cash denominated as US dollars. Don’t make simple-minded jumps about what that means for policy. The complicated conclusion is that national government are not taxing enough to wring out asset bubbles and that the money market is so flush that the real interest rates are effectively still below zero. Short-term, monetary policy does not do anything good.
And of course, the debt limit only causes the interest rate rise just from a hinted Fed action to accelerate when Congress has to deal with it. It the Democratic Party strong enough to be the truth party and tell the public exactly how the debt limit bill fleeces them?
In truth, I think that there needs to be a discussion about whether the national Treasury should be linked to the Federal Reserve System as a means of finance. It is based on a pretense: that the status of the Federal reserve as independent between banks and the Treasury is necessary to prevent runaway creation of money and that the government requires the issuance of bonds in order to create the funds to spend as a government with its own currency, a currency that is used outside its borders and an instrument of exchange.
What if the principle was, if the Congress funds it, the Treasury creates the money for it. Period. Management of the money supply takes place elsewhere than through the fiscal budget. Here’s where that seems to run into issues. Individual members of Congress want to ensure that they have some differential levers of power within the body; they want to extract some benefits from cronies in their constituencies or without; they want Congress to pay of financially for them individually. In a meritocratic society the illusion had died of noblesse oblige that allowed the Founding Fathers to speak of public virtue and the Kennedys to speak of the virtue of public service as the bedrock of democratic governance.
What are the checks and balances in the system that prevent the raiding of the treasury for private interests not for the general good? Whatever they were; they are not working now, especially in light of the public displays of shutdowns.
My stream of consciousness spinning off BooMan’s challenging post has gone on too long. I think that we are in a moment of transformation of the global system of relations between states; the sole superpower is long gone. With BooMan’s view of the Democratic Party and the Left, I now think we are in a transformational moment in domestic policy that hinges on how Ways and Means of government operations work instead on what it is that domestic spending is for.
And we are in another transformation of our notions of the federal makeup of government. Given the actions in some states, national standards that would give local governments some independence of the whims of state legislatures would be welcome. I don’t know how to deal with Constitutional issues that might arise. Maybe, this is one of the 50-state compact issues that can be pushed to regain legislatures. Indeed that mechanism likely applies to some other issues, maybe even how to deal with guns.
Finally, I am hard-pressed to understand specifically what the shorthand term “Left” points to anymore. For now it is used as “the Obama voters who felt betrayed by the absence of a strong grasp of power from the beginning that restored the fortunes of the New Deal sort of Democratic Party.” There were definitely betrayals, but they were not as much by the President as by many key figures in power in the Democratic Party who were operating much more personally and less philosophically and in the public interest than the voters’ expectations.
Fascinating opening up of issues. thanks.
one detail question: to what to you refer Re: Harriet Beecher Stowe and Henry Ward Beecher in 1877?
Having seen the slaves freed, they were unsympathetic with the preservation of the voting power of black people. Both wanted to see healing among whites. Harriet Beecher Stowe retired to an estate in Florida that she likened to a plantation. (Michael Bellesiles, “1877: America’s Year of Living Violently”)
There is a great deal of Reconstruction and Post-Reconstruction history that all of us must relearn from researchers in the original sources. The Southern press and historians successfully played on the racism of whites and even to a degree folks like W. E. B. Dubois to the extent he used their sources to push a narrative black inferiority, Republican corruption, and Democratic nobility in the Reconstruction and post-Reconstruciton eras.
We saw a similar revisionism about the New Deal and social programs during the late 1970s (cf. Daniel Patrick Monyihan).
We are seeing a similar indifference to the disenfranchisement effort in the South and elsehwere now.
Thanks. Harriet Beecher Stowe, wow! yes, Reconstruction and post reconstruction – as a starting point I have long argued that Booker T Washington’s Up From Slavery should be required reading in high school. Spike Lee did major work to see that Oscar Micheaux’s Within These Gates, a sharp response to Birth of a Nation by the remarkable AA filmmaker, got into the film canon, and all of Micheaux’s (1884-1951) films are worth watching for depiction of Uplift in absorbing film narrative and opening up depiction of that period in film.
47% say they lack ready cash to pay a surprise $400 bill
That’s economically insecure. But most of that 47% believe they are “middle class” or temporarily broke millionaires.
Of the white working class is SENSIBLE immigration reform. While someone of Obama’s immigration plan is good, some of it is bad. For example
Is a focus on job retraining. Too often there is a push to end “dirty” businesses without emphasizing how the workers in those businesses are going to earn a living should we succeed. A big reason Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma are deep red is because Republicans are all in for the industry that supports working class jobs in those states – oil & gas.
Related to job retraining Democrats need to stop focusing on everyone getting a university education. Neither Senator Sanders nor Senator Clinton’s education platforms include anything on education in the trades, apprenticeships, or re-invigorating vocational education in high schools. The US seriously needs to invest in that type of education. Community colleges are probably the best mechanism for that which means that the mission of many community colleges need to expand from preparing to move people onto 4 year colleges to offering a world class trade education.
One other note on education that actually ties to my immigration reform post above. I think the federal government needs to tie the financial aid accreditation to the percentage of international students in both undgrad and graduate programs. Right now schools are paying for their funding shortfalls by letting in more and more wealthy students from other countries (who pay full out of state/country tuition). That leaves fewer spots open for American students.
You want a big idea to appeal to the middle-class, help the poor, and redeem an important leftist idea:
Public housing. For seniors. Not need-based; access by lottery if overbooked. Decent – modest enough to not appeal to the better-off, but not with them excluded on principle. Built in rural areas where land is cheap.
Rented out at close to cost, so the public subsidy is, in the long run, modest, and, perhaps, in the longer run, negative (housing should be sustainable and durable, so it should well outlast the 30 or 40 year amortization of its cost of production).
Seniors because this eliminates the biggest objection to public housing – the perception that they are hotbeds of crime. No one is going to worry about getting mugged by granma. Also, the aging of the boomers and lack of retirement funds for many of them means that this is where there will be a lot of need. And the elderly, like children, are more sympathetic than those in between, as they are not expected to be self-supporting.
Putting them in rural areas means the land will be cheap. lowering costs (even when it uses eminent domain, the government pays market value for land. What ED does is make the sale involuntary.) It also means people in public housing on a Democratic program will be moved in concentrated doses into largely Republican areas. I personally would not object to a little strategy in placement here. This does mean the recipients will not generally be that close to their loved ones. I would like to scatter these things all over, so they will not be terribly far, but I also believe beggars can’t be choosers. In fact, remoteness would be one of the key things keeping the affluent from choosing this option,while many may still like option to be there. That said, I’m not adverse to more urban areas provided the rents are higher enough to cover the higher cost. Taxing people in Fresno so people can live in San Francisco under subsidy is counter-productive.
Hey, moving our prisoners upstate to make jobs, and dilute the urban Democratic, vote worked a treat.
This has got ‘success’ written all over it….
Prisoners can’t vote. That makes a huge difference in political consequences.
fascinating post, Booman, thanks, and ensuing discussion.
This idea that, for the sake of good governance, Democrats must pick up the slack in carrying the water of Wall St. and other well-heeled interests if Republicans drop the ball only makes sense if you hold the status quo to be a reasonable balance of such interests with others in society. I hold this is clearly not true. Big money, especially Big Finance and Natural Resources, has entirely too much power, and status quo bias will keep that from vanishing quickly even in the absence of an effective political advocate.
The fact that Obama has been, and Democrats generally are, perfectly happen to carry said water is what has given the well-heeled the luxury to let the crazies loose in the Republican party in the first place. If the alternative were the party of Bernie Sanders, then Wall St. et. al. would have no choice but to fight for the Republican Party with everything they have. The immediate result is deeper and more bitter conflict within the Republican Party: good. The longer term result is either the taming of the crazy or the split of the Republicans: either outcome good.
The notion that the United States is in danger of suffering from an insufficient Wall St. voice in governance is completely unrealistic. In fact, it is clear that the power of the financial industry needs to be drastically reduced, and it is hard to see how that will be possible if we consider it necessary that they continue to have the same political voice they have had. That voice has been and is dramatically too loud.
There is no self-conscious white working class in this country. There are middle class who are proud they do real work and then there are those who are “down on their luck”. The ones who can afford internet connections are subject to this (Tom Sullivan, Hullabaloo):
And those people do not connect a local job training program with a national party platform. It was just “up at the community college”.
Shorter version from Billmon: