Back on September 8th, I foresaw the the downfall of John Boehner. Here’s how I summed up the situation as it stood then:
Speaker Boehner is in a no-win situation primarily because his party is in the process of coming apart at the seams. He can put on a production or refuse to waste everyone’s time, but he can’t get around the Planned Parenthood issue or the debt ceiling issue or the highway infrastructure issue or the Export-Import Bank issue. He’s going to be swept away by the same winds that are sweeping away the Establishment’s control of the presidential nominating process.
He’ll never survive, nor should he want to.
By September 23rd, I was sounding a louder alarm bell, telling you that Boehner was going to succumb, and possibly sooner than anyone thought was possible at the time.
Boehner announced his intention to resign two days later, and I wrote:
The rumor is that Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California will replace Boehner but I will begin to believe that when I see it. There’s basically nothing about McCarthy that would alter the impasse between the sane people and the lunatics. It would certainly represent an empty victory for the conservative nut-jobs who forced Boehner out, and either McCarthy would have to run things much differently or he’d be in Boehner’s shoes within weeks.
Now, if there is someone else out there who has been this far ahead of the curve on this, maybe you should listen to them, but I’m also the one who began talking quite early on about the logic of a coalition power-sharing arrangement in the House.
I revisited that idea a few times about a week ago. The reason that things have been proceeding in the way that I projected isn’t because I have any kind of unique insight into how Republicans think or are likely to behave. It’s because the country absolutely has to pay its bills and the House Republicans, as a governing caucus, are getting ready to default on our debts by failing to give the Treasury Department the borrowing authority that they need. They’re also getting ready to shut down the government, although that’s more of an internal feud and looming political disaster than an existential crisis for the nation and possibly the health of the global economy.
I’ve pointed out, over and over again, that the coalition of representatives in the House that votes to pay our bills and fund our government is the real majority in the House. And that majority has been made up mostly of Democrats since John Boehner became Speaker in 2011. We’ve been able to limp along with this odd situation where Democrats are responsible for voting for Republican appropriations bills because the “responsible caucus” in Washington has been able to keep the government going and willing to act in bizarre ways in order to keep it going.
And we could theoretically continue this odd governing-coalition-not-even-in-name except for one thing. The Republicans were getting ready to defenestrate their own Speaker for working with this governing coalition instead of bending to their every demand.
So, it wasn’t hard for me to see that Boehner’s time as leader was coming to an end and that no one who would be willing to keep working with the governing coalition could be elected as his replacement.
The next step wasn’t really hard to see, either, although it certainly approached being unimaginable. In a battle between a Republican caucus that demands national default and an Establishment that will never allow that to happen, the Republicans have to lose. And if that means that they have to give up their majority control over the House, that’s eventually going to happen.
Now, you can look at the few lonely voices in the Republican Party who are willing to acknowledge this and point out that they’re still badly outnumbered. But there’s an unassailable logic behind what they’re arguing that simply won’t go away.
Without a viable alternative to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), some centrist Republicans say they’d have little choice but to seek Democratic help in electing a new Speaker…
…“I don’t see a Plan B” if Ryan refuses the job, said Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.).
If it becomes clear that no other Republican can assemble 218 GOP votes, King added, “In that case, we would have to consider having a coalition Speaker.”
“It’s a very simple question of math,” said Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), who first floated the idea of Republicans and Democrats joining together on a Speaker candidate last week.
“If there are not 218 Republican votes on the House floor, then by necessity the Democrats will have a say in who the next Speaker will be,” he said. “I still think it’s a possibility.”
“Ninety-nine percent of the time that’s something we don’t want — it’s not good,” King said of working with Democrats to elect a Speaker. “On the other hand, we can’t go on forever without a Speaker.”
I think in our present circumstances that Paul Ryan is serving, unfortunately, as a bright shiny object who obscures more than he reveals. The issue isn’t Paul Ryan per se, but whether he or any other Republican alternative can get the House Republican caucus to raise the debt ceiling. To be precise, can someone be elected Speaker without promising to default on our debts?
Paul Ryan has a lot of reasons that he doesn’t want the job of Speaker of the House. It’s a career-ender, for example, and he doesn’t want to spend time away from his family going around the country to raise money for candidates. They’re talking about relieving him from the fundraising obligations as an enticement, but the more pressing problem is that he’s just as unwilling as Boehner or McCarthy to promise the conservatives that he’ll refuse to pay our bills.
So, a radical idea begins to take form not because the idea particularly appeals to anyone, but simply out of desperation to avoid a congressionally created global economic contraction of unknown magnitude. If the Republicans do not have the votes to elect a Speaker who will pay the bills, then they’re going to have make formal what has been informal. The real governing majority in the House will have to disregard party labels and vote for someone that the Democrats approve. They’ll also have to share power on the committees, particularly the appropriations committees that are in charge of spending.
At a minimum, they need to make the threat to do this credible enough that the conservative members believe it will happen. If the conservatives are faced with the prospect of losing their majority condition in the House and getting blamed for destroying their party in a presidential election cycle, they might back down on their demands.
You heard it here first.
People here keep complaining about any number of social ills directly traceable to late-stage international finance capitalism, yet instinctively shy away from the very thing — the only thing, given how entrenched that mode of production is — calculated to bring real change.
If you will the end, you must will the means.
Oh, sure, blame the left.
Anything else is half-measures. Remeber the calls to nationalise the banks after the 2008 crash? Who would the owners have been? The same thoroughly corrupt state that had been not-regulating them.
Half-measures….
DXM’s urge to hippie punch is such an obsession that he’ll hijack a discussion that discusses the right’s complete inability to govern just to go: ‘but what about those imaginary Internet socialists! They deserve some mockery!’
Dude, give it a rest. Please. It’s embarrassing watching someone award themselves martial arts belts for jumpkicking strawmen.
Seriously. He says the same thing again and again as if it is interesting and original. It isn’t. It is annoying and boring.
I think they’ll kick the can down the road. It’s what they do.
Bill McBride at CalculatedRisk has argued many times that the debt ceiling and shutdown theater only happens in non-election years. His latest on the topic makes it seem that he has the same view now – that Congress will raise the debt ceiling.
I continue to think that the Teabaggers will press, and push, and scream and argue, but they’re not going to do things that intentionally reduce their power. They’re not going to support a “coalition government” type arrangement in the House. They scream at Boehner for caving – they’re not going to cave themselves if they have an alternative path.
Yes, the less insane GOPers could work around them with the Democrats, but the Teabaggers have them convinced that they’ll be primaried and that’s the main thing they worry about.
What’s that other path? I can’t say for sure, but I think they’ll do some sort of kick-the-can action and argue that they’ll really, really fix things after the election when they have their glorious victory.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s battle to pass the transportation bill in time, I wouldn’t be surprised if an ExIm Bank bill doesn’t pass, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a government shutdown in December. I think the Teabaggers will be cutting their throat if this stuff lasts into the new year, though.
I will be surprised if there’s more than a brief “technical” default, as last happened in 1979. But that’s a possibility – and it’s exceedingly dangerous.
We’ll see shortly.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Isn’t Boehner’s resignation of the Speakership contingent on there being someone else elected Speaker?
In essence, can’t Boehner just walk in and bring up whatever bills are necessary, killing the Hastert rule, and bypassing his having to give a shit about what Republicans think of him bringing bills up that rely on Democrats to vote for? If so, then Boehner may have just used the resignation thing as theatre to get past having to deal with the Tea Party fuckwits.
I mean, I look forward to the death of the GOP as much as the next reasonable person rooted in observable reality, but I think that if Boehner is still Speaker contingent on someone else being elected Speaker, he’ll just stay in office for the next year without having to worry about the lunatics running things
My post is more of a question and less of a prediction, by the way. You called it before pretty much anyone else, Booman, although a commenter here, Yastreblyansky, proposed something very similar 3 years ago.
http://yastreblyansky.blogspot.com/2012/12/fantasy-politics-league.html
Yes, Boehner’s resignation is contingent. As I’ve said before, I see no reason the current situation will change (Boehner as planning-to-leave, but not actually departing, speaker). No Republican can win the speakership with only Republican votes, if one did he couldn’t stay, and King and Dent are not going to find 29 more Republicans willing to commit career suicide by voting in a coalition speaker. So Boehner stays, and continues his current policy of pushing through hardline Republican legislation (mostly to be vetoed) but allowing votes on critical matters like the debt limit and continuing resolutions.
Booman has pointed out the Democrats are being codependent, by allowing Republican nuts to run the Congress, and then bailing them out on critical votes for the country, but I don’t see any leverage for them. Their only option is to vote against the critical bills like continuing resolutions and debt ceiling increases and I don’t see that as an option. If that results in a shutdown, the media will make sure the Democrats get blamed for it.
Sure, Boehner could thumb his nose at the Tea Party. But what is that going to do to his post speaker career? I doubt he’s going to be worth much as a lobbyist if no Republican legislator would be caught dead talking to him.
Like Booman says, Republicans may have no alternative but to fund the government, but that doesn’t mean any of them are very eager to be the fall guy. They have the tiger by the tail, now it’s very hard for them to let go- because someone’s going to get eaten and no one wants it to be them.
As soon as the de facto coalition swings into operation, the maniac wing of the GOP are going to discover they no longer have much political power. Their rabble-rousing ability will be greater than ever, but without any actual power they will have become virtually the definition of “fringe.”
We can only hope.
They’re more likely to take to arms…again.
There is the elephant in the room which is Rep ignorance. Not just willful, “I’m not a scientist” ignorance but the old fashioned kind that carries a copy of the Constitution around in a pocket but never bothers to put in the work to understand policies.
Listening to Ben Carson abject failure on understanding the debt ceiling the other day it goes without saying that he just might be in the majority of Rep brain cells that truly don’t understand that obstruction for the sake of the word doesn’t show off your smarts, it exposes your level of laziness.
So how does one lead members who truly believe that obstruction is good governance and homework is for wusses?
The original headline says it all, “Disarray has some Republicans talking about dealing with Dems”. So that’s what it takes to cooperate with Obama – disarray and self protection. You’d think the GOP was still in the ME generation phase.
It’s been a long, long time since I studied Game Theory, and I am far from an expert in the topic. But I’d like to see a Game Theory analysis of this from the point of view of the different factions.
Let’s pretend, for a minute, that there are really just three like-minded factions in the House of Representatives. The Establishment Wingnuts, the Grassroots Wingnuts, and the Placebocrats.
The Establishment Wingnuts go into the negotiations with pretty clear goals. They want to help their top campaign contributors in any way they can, fatten their own wallets as much as possible, and enable winning of the 2016 Presidential election and both houses of Congress. They understand the differences between the absolutist rhetoric they say for the unwashed mass of wingnuts and the reality of politics, though their grasp of reality is becoming increasingly tenuous as they are bathed daily in wingnut propoganda. What they’d really like to do is keep the cash flowing to them and their puppet masters while forcing a downturn in the country’s economy in 2016 so that they can get voters to blame the Democrats and vote Republican.
The Grassroots Wingnuts believe the propoganda, hook, line and sinker. They believe the world is about to collapse and evil take over (led by Obama) unless drastic action is taken, and would fully support an armed revolution as long as their side won. If you truly believe these things then doing things like starving the government of funds -even if it causes an immediate economic meltdown – is probably still the rational course of action. Any compromise on their part means giving into the evil that is about to take over, so they won’t.
The Placebocrats just want everyone to get along. They seem to have completely given up the idea that they’ll every be in the majority again in this generation. They do wants whats best for the country, but aren’t willing to be rude in order to force anything to happen (see: House behavior, 2007-2010). At the same time, they have started to get annoyed at all the bad things the Republicans say about them and about getting blamed by the Republicans for stuff the Republicans have done about it. They are so annoyed that they are serious considering writing a stern letter to the editor about it.
There use to be a faction of Placebocrats who basically agreed with the Establishment Wingnuts on most things but they have been voted out and replaced with wingnuts.
Given these three positions a compromise with the Placebocrats and the Establishment Wingnuts is the only possible answer, and will probably happen because the Placebocrats don’t have strong sense of self-interest – but also for that reason they probably will get very little in return for the deal.
Of course, these are gross generalizations and realistically there are 435 factions, not 3, but given the size of the factions and the large gap for any one faction to get to 218, I think a compromise of two of the three is essential.
Here’s the problem with that deal, though. The deal isn’t bad for either the Placebocrats (though not good for them either) or the Grassroot Winguts, but it leaves the Establishment Wingnuts extremely vulnerable since most of their voting base sides with the Grassroot Wingnuts. This puts them very vulnerable to being primaried. Realistically House elections are like Senate elections, so whereas a crazy person running for Senate will usually lose even if part of the majority party in that state, not so in the House where those elections get little attention from the voters. Thus, this doesn’t hurt the Republican chances in 2016 – but does seriously erode the Establishment Wingnut presence in the House starting in 2017, and furthermore just kicks the can down the road to 2017 when the smaller Establishment Wingnut and Placebocrat caucuses will have to try to combine for a Speaker again.
Knowing Establishment Wingnuts, they’ll make the compromise and hope they can fix this problem before the primaries. It’s how they’ve been making decisions for a long time now.
Almost all of the “crazy people” that ran for the Senate in 2014 won. Not sure how many first knocked out Establishment Wingnuts in primaries. The crazy in MS came up short in the primary, but not sure if Cochran would be classified as an EW or Placebocrat.
I’d support armed revolution if my side won. But I know it wont so I don’t.
How often do the original belligerents win an armed revolution, anyways?
Of hand, not often. But our rightists are heavily armed, the USAF is filled with evangelicals, and a lot of people on our side are unfamiliar with guns. I think it would be a lot like the Spanish Civil War in who wins and why.
I don’t think anyone has ever done a protracted civil war with a nuclear state. I doubt the international community will even let it get that far. Once one side even hints at using nuclear arms — and it will eventually get to that point — they’ll pick one side and swiftly move to crush the other. Most likely they’ll end up crushing the insurrectionist right wing side.
At any rate, the secessionists don’t even come close to forming a majority even in the deepest red of states so a coup of the military is out of the question. And they’d have to do it all at once, because if Idaho or Mississippi or whoever secedes, the United States could just cut them off and watch them wither on the vine once the fiscal transfers and flood of goods end and they get blockaded by the entire world. The South could only get away with seceding because their economies were agrarian, their production was tied up in local human labor, they had a powerful export resource, and they were up against a country that was barely industrialized themselves. And not to put too fine of a point on it, but the American Civil War was also unusual as far as revolutions go in that the entrenched elites were heavily in favor of the conflict — which makes sense because their wealth was tied up in the land and labor and the Union couldn’t quickly destroy their economic holdings. You will not be getting the plutocracy to go along with a bottom-up coup because if the United States doesn’t freeze and destroy their assets, the fighting will upend most of their holdings.
As far as a Red Dawn-style across-the-board military coup goes, their prospects are even more grim. The USAF might be full of white evangelicals, but racial minorities are overrepresented in this and every other branch; whites are only 60% here and since the military skews young and poorer, in about 12 years they’ll be around 50%. There’s no way some Goering-type is going to get the enlisted ranks to go along with getting the nonwhites to overthrow their nation in favor of an eliminationist white nationalist state. That’s like expecting Roma to join the SS after the Night of the Long Knives. The US Military is heavily mechanized now and it takes the various enlisted departments working in concert in order to get anything done. If an aircraft carrier has 30% of its crew revolt along with 30% of the rest of the sailors in its fleet, they can’t run missions. And a few platoons of murderous marines (after they purged their ranks of racial minorities and non-treasonous whites of course) isn’t a military coup, it’s an ugly but solvable crime problem. The best they can hope for is to roll the dice and commandeer a few SSBNs or nuclear missile silos to blackmail the rest of the world into respecting whatever holdings they can get, but then they run afoul of the first two paragraphs.
The United States is too diverse and mechanized for a bottom-up or a top-down military coup based on neo-Confederate values to work. Few people, even the hardcore white identarians, are going to put up with several years of death and deprivation for the ideal of
*for the ideal of white privilege (as opposed to having human rights, which they will still have), lower tax rates on the top 1%, and Christian-ran government. Internal revolutions are rare in healthy democracies with at least a mediocre economy for a reason.
White right-wingers now dominate heavily the officer corps, but as you say the enlisted group, while it contains a lot of gun-ho 10th-generation militaristic Hitler Youth war mongers (who will end up in the officer’s ranks soon enough), is mostly stocked with people forced into the military for economic reasons.
In addition, there are degrees. While a lot of the officers believe that Obama is a secret ISIS plant (or whatever the conspiracy-of-the-day is) a lot of them put following orders above that kind of stuff.
So, it’s hard to say what would happen should there be a coup attempt from the military. Especially given that the military and CIA have extreme monetary influence in US media. I can’t say that I feel comfortable in our current situation.
Great response. No how the world would react but I would think both sides would object to foreign intervention.
I’m talking about a revolution but it wouldn’t necessarily be successful. Frankly I see it more like a vast number of like minded but distinct insurgent groups. Think cliven Bundy if the feds had actually enforced the law instead of surrendering. In that kind of situation I think parts of the military would sit out the conflict rather than pick a side and instead focus on national defense while leaving the internal situation to law enforcement or militia.
In that kind of situation you get a small number of insurgents with quiet support from the populace. Think of the support Eric Rudolph got from the local community. With one man it might be moral support at best but if there are insurgents across a large part of the country that support might be more material.
And because its so difficult to beat insurgents with popular support a political compromise might be necessary and who knows what would happen then.
Hmm thinking about it more, I guess the SCW comparison is more about military capabilities and the fractious nature of the left. So taking your comments into account, see below for a modified scenario.
it first.
We are at an odd time in history. The Fed’s SOMA has a YUUUGE portfolio of U.S. Treasuries that is significantly weighted towards the Long Bond. In fact the Fed owns up to 70% (its self-imposed limit) of most issues that actually mature more than four or so years out.
Near as I can tell there is little to nothing that would prevent the Fed from becoming the backstop to Treasury: selling long to buy maturing short and just accept Treasury’s Full Faith and Credit as proof the redemption and interest will be forthcoming. After all the Fed rebates its “profits”, almost every penny of which comes from interest on Treasuries held by SOMA back to the Treasury anyway, amounting to over $100 billion last year.
I don’t know how the markets and the world economy would react, because selling your maturing Treasuries to the Fed because Treasury couldn’t redeem them (with or without a discount) is still technically a default. But the Fed does have the resources and if it comes to it the printng press that would allow it to be the market maker for Treasuries for quite some time.
Okay. Not only is this a “You heard it here first”, it is also a “You heard it there last, because THAT guy is a lunatic”. To which my defense is that I am not the only crazy guy in the blogosphere.
This is possibly a short-term solution to the global financial crisis from Treasuries no longer being acceptable collateral, which would bring down the whole derivatives system. However, the government still needs to issue debt just to pay its bills and a debt default without a shutdown would result in bouncing government checks, which would be bad enough in itself. Worse, short-term T-bills (1 and 3 months) are an important part of the collateral system, and while the Federal Reserve could buy them, it couldn’t issue them. The newly issued ones would have credibility issues and so shortly we’d still be in the soup because there would be no “good” short term T-bills on the market.
While I can’t argue with your logic, my feeling is that the republican establishment would regard power sharing with the the dems as worse than a default ( for them personally , since it would mean political suicide; they would be kicked out n the next election) and so they would do anything to avoid it. As someone earlier said, boner may just have to stick around and muddle through somehow, as we have previously.
I have no idea what the republican alternative to default/shut down is. All they talk about is Hillary and Obama, both who may not be around come 2017. The GOP needs a position on something to do with a vision for the future. They/John McCabe did not show up on the Sunday pundit shows defending W/supporting Jeb. I hope they were somewhere naming their caucus and developing a plan that has nothing to do with default/shut down. There is no way to build a coalition government when one side has nothing to bring to the table.
They’ve been bankrupt since 2005. Yet, somehow they keep winning plenty of elections on nothing other than gays, guns, gods, and more money for the wealthy.
Well, I hate to put it this way, but Atilla and Tamerlane didn’t have much for domestic platforms either.
The Visigoths will not back down – they’ve been spoiling for this fight since they got pimped in 2004, where instead of getting the promised war on homosexuality they got Medicare Part D…
Hegel has never been one of my favorite philosophers, but hey, sometimes it’s like the man said: THESIS — ANTITHESIS — SYNTHESIS.
I think it’s more like: FUEL+OXIDIZER+SPARK
But the Teabagger caucus doesn’t even need that, they’re pure “FOOF”
I never heard of FOOF before, but I understand just enough chemistry to appreciate this.
What a bizarre substance, with very strange molecular structure and properties.
Apparently the first scientific paper on FOOF was published by A.G. Streng in 1962. I took high school chemistry just prior to that, and college chemistry a few years later. So that explains why we never heard of something like that.
As Streng discovered firsthand, FOOF explodes when mixed with just about everything, even at “cryogenic conditions.” Derivatives of “violent,” “vigorous,” and “explosive” frequently appear throughout Streng’s account of his experimental escapades, prompting the reader to wonder just how the man escaped with his life.
“If the paper weren’t laid out in complete grammatical sentences and published in JACS, you’d swear it was the work of a violent lunatic. I ran out of vulgar expletives after the second page. A. G. Streng, folks, absolutely takes the corrosive exploding cake, and I have to tip my asbestos-lined titanium hat to him,” [chemist Derek] Lowe remarked.
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/06/foof_the_chemical_most_chemists_avoid.html
I see that in his paper, Streng himself says that dioxygen difluoride was first prepared in 1933 by Ruff and Menzel. Well, anyway, nobody ever told me about it.
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jklein2/O2F2.pdf
Once again, the debt limit is an imaginary restriction. Let’s join every other advanced western nation except Denmark in the present.
RollCall:
Interesting…
Cheers,
Scott.
Orange Glo could pass all sorts of stuff with sane GOPers and Democrats.
Boehner doesn’t even have the votes for a clean debt limit increase. And you think the same votes that aren’t there for mandatory action will somehow materialize to elect a non-crazy speaker, ensuring the political defeat of any Republican defectors?
You have some high quality shit.