Every once in a while, a journalist or blogger comes along and writes a piece that instantly becomes a resource, like a thesaurus or the Rosetta Stone, that we all keep going back to to help us be better writers or to interpret things with more precision. That’s what NYU Prof. Jay Rosen just did with his latest piece: Asymmetry between the major parties fries the circuits of the mainstream press. It’s that good, so go read it. I don’t think we’ll be able to engage in media criticism again until everyone has internalized Rosen’s basic insights. What’ll we’ll do is argue about what it all means and what might be done about it. For now, at least, Rosen owns the paradigm.
Let me make a couple of initial observations about the piece. It’s important to really understand that there’s a value to having print journalism that aspires to be non-polemical and nonpartisan. It’s also important to truly grasp that there are limitations on how good that kind of journalism can be, and that this isn’t an argument against its existence.
I’ll use an example to make my point. In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, the case for war was largely being organized out of the office of the vice-presidency, and through aligned actors who Dick Cheney had seeded throughout key departments of the administration. To cover what was happening, which included the internal debates, the intelligences assessments, the prewar planning, whether or not to go to the United Nations, how to get allies to support us at the United Nations, and much much more, it was vital that organizations like the New York Times and Washington Post have sources close to Dick Cheney.
Of course, Cheney knew this. And he knew that his team could advance a journalist’s career by giving them scoops, leaks, exclusive on-the-record interviews, choice quotes (anonymous and otherwise) right before deadline, and occasional access to Cheney himself. They also could punish reporters who gave their scoops and leaks a skeptical treatment by not repeating the favor.
In such a scenario, it was easy to boost the career of Judith Miller, make her look like a star to her editors, and use her as (to be charitable) an unwitting dupe to spread their propaganda and thereby win the internal debate within the administration, deceive Congress, the public and the United Nations.
We can pick on Judy Miller, but the greater problem was that the media are always at this kind of disadvantage when they seek to get access to political actors who want to lie. It wouldn’t serve the public interest to simply refuse to have your reporters develop sources near to the vice-president. There’s always a trade off when you have a source that is incredibly valuable and you want to report on them (and their boss) objectively.
Certainly, most reporters navigate these choppy waters better than Judith Miller did, but the problem is more systemic than particular. What breaks the model is not bad reporting but immoral leadership. After all, if some corporate source burns you, you can drop the source. But you can’t drop the vice-presidency or stop covering the case the administration is making for war.
When Prof. Rosen says that the Republican Party is frying the circuits of the mainstream press, that plays out in processes and mechanisms (like the example I’ve just provided).
Now, Rosen points out that the mainstream press operates with a worldview in which it sees itself as an impartial observer and a bit of a referee. But it also falls too easily into being a scorekeeper. I don’t know how many articles Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post has written that are nothing more than an assessment of who had a good week or a bad week in national politics. Who’s up? (Mitch McConnell). Who’s down? (Harry Reid). And if you really look at any of those pieces, they can be broken down and distilled into Cillizza’s estimation of how many voters have been swayed (in the very short term) by the antics and posturing and talking points and lies and fear-mongering of our political leaders. Was the 67th failed effort to repeal ObamaCare a net-plus or net-minus for the House Republicans and their leadership?
And this is supposed to matter even when it happens sixteen months before the next federal election.
The idea that these maneuverings might have some intrinsic and substantive merit or that they might be wholly manipulative, dishonest, and conniving? The suggestion that one side might be lying while the other appears to be on factually sound ground? There things are rarely if ever considered and they’re never emphasized. If Cillizza thinks a completely cynical move was politically successful, then that move gets a plus.
I don’t want to pick on Cillizza, though, because this phenomenon is widespread, rampant even, in print and especially on cable news. And it’s not the unavoidable kind of problem I highlighted above with covering vital but dishonest sources in high positions. It’s a totally voluntary kind of vapid and soul-deadening journalism. It serves no higher purpose than to chase clicks, and it really amounts to cheerleading cynicism and manipulation. It’s not even worth anything as analysis, as it amounts to nothing more than some political junkie’s highly subjective, data-free, estimation of the gullibility of the American people and how susceptible they are to the latest stunts. This is what happens when you jettison any effort to impose moral standards on the behavior of the people you cover.
This kind of journalism has always been crap, but it really only undergoes a circuit overload when a true asymmetry develops between the major parties in terms of how dishonest and cynical and manipulative they are behaving.
It’s one thing when there’s an approximate level of parity in how much bullshit each presidential campaign is doling out. In that case, you can get away with reporting both sides, doing a little light refereeing, and letting the (hopefully) better informed electorate sort it all out. The voters still won’t benefit from reading what a Chris Cillizza thinks they are influenced by, but they can at least see what each side has said, get a little fact-checking, and come away a little better prepared to form their own conclusions.
But, when one side goes completely over to the dark side and the other stays playing the traditional game, the effort to treat both sides equally no longer ensures fairness. This is what the New York Times was grappling with here:
All politicians bend the truth to fit their purposes, including Hillary Clinton. But Donald J. Trump has unleashed a blizzard of falsehoods, exaggerations and outright lies in the general election, peppering his speeches, interviews and Twitter posts with untruths so frequent that they can seem flighty or random — even compulsive.
It’s okay to make that kind of observation in the opinion pages, but to report it in the news section breaks the paradigm the mainstream nonpartisan press operates in. It becomes especially problematic if you then make Trump the Winner of the Week because his lies seem to have propelled him forward in the polls.
At some point, you have to take a stand. There are other values that a nonpartisan press tries to advance than evenhandedness. They hope that people will benefit from reading news that isn’t deliberately designed to sway them to one party or the other. But that hope is based on the idea that people benefit from getting factual information, not an impartial presentation of crap designed to make their lizard brain glow.
The idea is to inform the public, and a nonpartisan press that abandons that goal might as well just chase their clicks and dollars the way the partisan press does because shareholders really have no preference.
I’m curious of something. What do you think of this:
http://twitter.com/kennerly/status/779750637366108161
Not the picture per se. I’ll go better. I’m really upset about this:
http://twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/780113065853399041
Yes, because funding for one museum outweighs all the horrible stuff he unleashed. All the dead Iraqis thanks to Shrub. That Shrub unleashed Karl Rove, Kris Kobach and Hans von Spakovsky on this country. I get that the Kennerly guy used to have Pete Souza’s job(meaning official WH photographer). I’m more concerned with the attitude of Elliott Lusztig(aka the guy with the Zinedine Zidane avatar).
Why own his failure?
Our elites are still hoping to resuscitate themselves and avoid the fate Trumpistas have waiting for them.
>>Our elites are still hoping to resuscitate themselves
our elites know that Trump may come and Trump may go and they will still be the elite.
That’s just the point. The elites are going to be the elites. That means the Obama’s are going to embrace Shrub and his wife. I don’t care about that. I care about supposed liberals whitewashing what Shrub did. He’s a monster. One of the worst presidents ever. And now liberals are going to treat him as their goofy lovable uncle? WTH?!?
“The club” is now so firmly in power that they don’t even have to hide it from the public. Unless one were family (and not always then either), political opponents were never photographed warming embracing each other.
My son is currently reading “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.” You should read it if your think acting sociably towards somebody necessarily indicates any kind of genuine friendship or good will.
I’ll let Ian Welsh handle this one.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/war-criminals-i-see-war-criminals/
“I never believed Obama would have voted against Iraq if he’d been in the Senate”
If I had some ham, I could make ham and eggs, if I had some eggs.
I’m getting sicker and sicker of this shit.
>>You can’t make much of an argument from principle against Trump
If you can’t, I don’t think much of your principles.
I really can’t engage with the argument that Hillary is so awful it makes Trump acceptable. She’ll be more of the same, for good and bad. Trump would be an enormous change and all of it bad.
…or you can just go the NPR route and report on what “our fellow Americans are feeling”. That way you can get someone to say practically anything about any candidate and just shrug your shoulders and say “we can’t control what people feel”. Even though, at least to some degree, that’s exactly what they should be doing.
Indeed.
And this was what was introduced when the press started covering the investigation of the Clintons and were being fed leaks from the the various investigations, including Kenneth Starr’s. This asymmetry has been growing for 25 years and folks like Cokie Roberts, Gloria Borger, and Chris Matthews have been feeding the beast all along.
And what the asymmetry has done is manuevered Democrats into Republican positions as persistent flanking to the center from dishonest coverage creates a double standard.
So what can the media do in six weeks to undo the asymmetry?
Putting Trump on the spot tonight to force him into the conventional model would be an interesting experiment. Make it so he can’t wing it and is in a box; he will likely drop out at the last minute because it is no longer fun. In other words, give him the treatment that Clinton and Obama have been getting for years. And force answers and treat failure to answer as confession of wrongdoing.
Abso-fucking-lutely true, Tarheel. I remember being surprised when Bill Clinton won the election and saw the huge blowback from the Republicans about Whitewater, Hillary’s “place” as First Lady, and how it was non-stop attack mode against them. It was relentless.
And they hounded them over big stuff and small, and getting the Monica Lewinsky scandal practically drove them rabid. I remember finally shaking my head during impeachment hearings, wishing for chrissakes Bill had just kept his dick in his pants, even though it had nothing to do with running the country.
Then came the Tea Party, which broke the Republican party. The monsters created by desperate new Republicans took over and ran the party down further than most of us believed it could go. They helped the Trump phenomenon happen. They gave it oxygen.
So I guess I am mostly disgusted with the unbalanced level of coverage and pure Pro-Trumpism in our media now. At first they relished Trump as an “outlier” when in fact he was always a “Big Liar”, and they loved the ratings when he made outrageous statements. Now he’s right up there in the polls. Who knows what face he’s going to wear tonight? No matter what, I expect the venue will be skewed in his favor.
I’ll watch the debate. I will hide all heavy throwable items beforehand to spare my TV and I’m going to watch Stephen Colbert after to chase the nightmares away.
And now the hoods come out of the closet after 48 years, and the swastikas come out (and are even hybridized to Confederate flags) after 77 years.
Who did y’all think was opposing Jimmy Carter in 1980? Did starting a campaign in Philadelphia MS not clue y’all in? Or the subversion of the Southern Baptist Convention that most of y’all did not understand the significance of?
It’s the same old bunch. The racists and the Yankees who tolerate them.
Only this time around it’s the pan-European all-white-people’s movement from Russia in the east to Alaska in the west. That’s the significance of PUtin and his propagandist of magical surrealism.
Wait — the Democrats have no agency in this? They’re just helpless victims?
It’s not as though “Republican positions” are the only positions they could take: say what you will about his fitness as a candidate or as a President but Sanders proved that. Yet usually those are the positions that they do take.
Why is that? And is there any connection between that observable phenomenon and the fact that an election that had looked to be Clinton’s walking away has turned into a 50/50 proposition, a black-swan event away from a disaster?
>>there’s a value to having print journalism that aspires to be non-polemical and nonpartisan. It’s also important to truly grasp that there are limitations on how good that kind of journalism can be, and that this isn’t an argument against its existence.
I see value in having unicorns and Bigfoot, but that’s not an argument for their existence.
I think you’re overstating the degree that there ever was a time of the responsible and nonpartisan press that you’d like to see. It became fashionable for a while for the press to pretend to be nonpartisan, but that was a brief deviation from normalcy for American political reporting, which was partisan and nasty from the day it was born.
Even that ‘golden’ period was just news media reporting from a position of elite consensus.
Unfortunately its always been the horse race. Now its beyond stupid. When they did not question Romney on his blatant lies. Then it got scary. It wasn’t just Iraq its permanent. Truth is a hassle and a career killer.
>>Truth is a hassle
a friend of mine once was interviewed by the local paper, and then misquoted in print. The reporter’s response to his complaint was “it’s hard to get everything right.”
But as you and lots of other folks have pointed out, Booman, most Trump voters don’t give a damn about their candidate’s lies. He channels their anger and serves as a raised middle finger to the political establishment.
And so we find ourselves in a situation where a sociopath appears to have a 50% chance of becoming our next president.
I’m no longer interested in speculation about what becomes of the Republican Party beginning on November 9. It’s now the Trump Party. White ethno-nationalism, xenophobia, rejection of science and logic, and making it even easier for the super wealthy to exploit the proles. What happens to the Democratic Party? So much for that demographic wave that’s supposed to usher in a new era of liberalism.
Booman.. given how the media operates.. do you still think that this election is going to lead to a clear Clinton (or Trump) victory.. instead of a quite narrow one?
The more I realize how the media plays the game, the more I see it is going 49-47 or 50-48 either way (hopefully Clinton) instead of your predicted “clear winner”.
A pleasure
suggestion for tonight.
Take a drink every time Trump speaks.
Because drinking yourself into an early oblivion, thus missing a substantial portion of the freakshow, might well prove the most tolerable way of getting through it.
Or maybe better yet, go for a hike. Or fishing (I might! Gorgeous early fall day here. Might be one of the last really nice ones for chance of hooking up with really big, wild [though, full disclosure, non-native, alas] trout in the Missouri this season.)
Might even be better to start the shots early. Why suffer through this freak show?
Digby had a great one last week, where she looked at a New York Times story about the Clinton Foundation. They sent a questionaire out, asking people to answer true/false questions about what the Foundation did. Did it manage the Clinton’s personal finances? What about the funding for clean water projects in Africa; did people know about that? Was it all about speaking engagements? (Of course the answers are that the Foundation has nothing to do with their personal finances, isn’t about speaking engagements, and earns a very high rating from those watchdog groups that look at the spending and fundraising of charitable organizations.) (And, of course, Trump’s “foundation” really is about channeling other people’s money into his own pocket.)
So the Times reported all of these public misconceptions in their piece…and then said, you know, Gee, I guess people don’t really have the true story about the Clinton Foundation…isn’t that a shame. Like, it’s too bad it’s raining. What a shame that this mysterious effect that nobody can control or counteract is coming out of nowhere, casting a shadow over the electorate.
(The idea that The Times and their brethren have created this problem never seemed to occur to the authors of the piece.)
Another view, from Ned Resnikoff.
Ned Resnikoff, Phantasmagoria
What is interesting about this analysis is that it ties Trump to an Alt-Right Putin in concrete ways that do not rattle the old Cold War vibrations about communism. Putin and Trump are both ethnic nationalists (neo-Nazis in former parlance). That is increasingly becoming the world that the elites have created for Europe and the US.
The Democrats have so wimped out of making this attack because there is a hidden agenda for a new Cold War with Russia that now has succeeded in sabotaging US-Russia cooperation in ridding Syria of al Quaeda and Daesh/ISIS/ISIL. Did Ashton Carter’s DoD commit insubordination with a air strike on Syrian troops within 48 hours of Kerry and Lavrow negotiating a ceasefire? A delegitimized lame duck would allow that latitude; I hope that investigation of that strike does not take “Ooops” at face value.
How an Aid Convoy in Syria Was Blown Apart
Two highly controversial events within a week in Syria following the ceasefire.
I wonder if HRC will press Trump about Putin and how Trump would respond. His campaign has quietly gotten rid of campaign operatives with questionable Russian ties, Paul Manafort and Carter Page, when the media has bothered to look into their associations.
The pressure has to be on the Alt-Right Putin not the ex-Soviet Putin (the Red Putin).
I’m not particular sure either strategy would be effective. The media shrugs at alt-right mentions. It’s a primarily social media manifestation of a rot we’ve had for decades.
Secondly, Republican opinion of Putin has increased by large margins. This is perhaps due to identification with Putin’s characteristics as an authoritarian and strongman persona as well Trump’s personal admiration for the man.
I’d say that criticism of Putin is not about who he was in the past, aka red-baiting, but how he operates now with absolute power in Russia. Virtually none of the criticism is over his past as a Soviet as it is not particularly relevant.
The article at the link Phantasmagoria is about Putin’s propagandist (Karl Rove, if you will) whose strategy is to make it impossible for the opposition to get a grasp on the political reality going on in Russia. The author points out how similar it is to Trump’s campaign and how it is a prime tool of an authoritarian government.
It is instructive that the symbology for strong Trump supporters is (1) Confederate flag, (2) Swastika, (3) Confederate flag with overlaid swastika, (4) Stars and stripes with overlaid swastika or confederate flag in quarters.
“The New York Times spoke to 20 local and international aid workers, rescuers and residents who either witnessed the attack or were involved in preparing the convoy, and reviewed dozens of videos, photographs, social media posts and records kept by aircraft spotters. Together, the interviews and other material indicate that there was a sustained, coordinated attack carried out by Russian or Syrian aircraft, probably both.
“About 30 explosions erupted, starting after 7 p.m. and lasting for hours, the interviews and documentation show. The blasts created large fireballs over the warehouse, and set trucks aflame amid the sound of helicopters and jets in the sky. A second — and, some said, a third — wave hit as rescuers tried to pull out the dead and injured, driving them back.
“The convoy had come from government territory, with meticulously extracted permissions, and was marked conspicuously with the logos of the United Nations and the Red Crescent. But it did not, as many such convoys do, have the extra shield of United Nations staff members on board, because the Syrian government had blocked them.
“As always, on board were volunteers from the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, which is state-supervised in government areas but also has self-governed local branches in rebel territory. Dozens of its volunteers have been killed or jailed during the war.”
You think that Assad would take lightly an attack on his troops after a negotiated ceasefire?
You think he would be assured that a humanitarian aid convoy was indeed transporting humanitarian aid after that direct a betrayal of trust?
The US sometimes gets high on its own supply of sanctimoniousness about human rights. Other countries are not amused.
You posit here that Assad is behind this attack although you questioned that in previous posts. Some of this sounds like a justification for attacking an aid convoy. Why even go there?
>>The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.
that’s a really interesting statement.
>>there is a hidden agenda for a new Cold War with Russia that now has succeeded in sabotaging US-Russia cooperation in ridding Syria of al Quaeda and Daesh/ISIS/ISIL.
that cooperation was sabotaged by reality. There was never sufficient agreement on anything except being against ISIS&Co. and wanting to be seen cooperating. There was never any sign of agreeing who they were for.
The matter of convenience is for the US not to be fighting two enemies at that same time. We were capable of that in World War II.
And it is the US military agenda, not the Russian that is at stake. Denial of the Russian base in Tartus and facilitating a Qatari pipeline through a Muslim Brotherhood led Islamic government seems to be the US national security experts’ agenda. That’s not going to happen without serious blowback.
>>not going to happen without serious blowback.
master of understatement you are, TD.
I hope our actual military agenda is not what you see, because I don’t see a reality where that one is achievable (let alone smart).
The Russian agenda seems obvious and achievable: stay behind their longtime ally Syria and keep that base. Neither is a VITAL national interest but both are desirable and also appear affordable. They’re behind Assad, and no one else is.
there can’t be any peace in Syria until all the outsiders agree to accept Assad or throw him out.
I want to see the US give up our apparent goal of pushing Assad out, but I don’t think that’s likely, and I think it’s even less likely for the Turks to give up that goal. Convincing the Russians to knife him will hardly be easy but might be easier than changing Erdogan’s mind. How do we make a deal about that? Definitely not compatible with also wanting the Russians to give up that base.
I can buy taking Assad out but not at the expense of a frozen conflict – like we have now- that extends indefinitely. To avoid that Russia has to be part of the solution. I doubt they will give up their base or even influence in Syria. That, in turn, suggests Assad stays for the immediate future. The plus side of this is we have a coalition to take IsiS out or neuter their terrorism.
>>The plus side of this is we have a coalition to take IsiS out
but we don’t, because the Turks are still fighting Assad and the Kurds, not ISIS. They also somehow have to be part of the solution. I have no idea how that could be made to happen, i think pigs flying might be more likely.
Actually I wasn’t counting on the Turks. We have Russia, Iran, the Kurds and whatever Syria can provide. Erdogan will join up once he sees how,it is going. ( I hope)
>>Erdogan will join up once he sees how,it is going. ( I hope)
I’ll repeat myself: I think pigs flying is more likely. What does Turkey get for reversing policy?
My diary “The March of Folly Continues” provides the evidence from a conference in Austin that the deep state beyond political changes has a certain agenda that is IMO a disastrous one based in the same hubris that led us into Iraq in the first place.
I would like that not to be the case and this warning to be overblown, but when veteran intelligence and military figures are worried, I get a little worried too. And they can use the need to project toughness as a way to manipulate Presidents. And on foreign affairs Obama, Clinton, and Trump have all shown themselves to be manipulable by the special information that the deep state players provide. This is dangerous all the way around — without real checks and balances in Congress.
Jay Rosen is a national treasure. It was Rosen who first articulated the problem of “he said–she said” journalism back in 2009. I had long sensed there was something fundamentally wrong with most journalistic reports of controversies, but couldn’t quite put my finger on it … Rosen did.
http://pressthink.org/2011/09/we-have-no-idea-whos-right-criticizing-he-said-she-said-journalism-at-
npr/
Look out for the posts spreading false flag stories.
So how exactly does Clinton win this thing in the era of asymmetric politics? This comes down to simply visceral feelings, never mind facts or reason, Whatever is said tonight or tomorrow disappears down a memory hole. Why not? We all know what is right. Those RWNJ already have Hillary on her way to prison and never mind denying it. She is a criminal and prolly even had a hand in numerous killings. Obama was born in Kenya. And on it goes. I even have it on Facebook and I’ve discovered logic and such are just irrelevant. So tonight Hillary will try to lay out her policies and 50% of the audience couldn’t care less. She. Is a she devil, you know.
Tonight we’ll hear a very important media analysis that will eschew objectivity to explicitly include its own opinions: the post-debate analysis. That is because the candidates will not be judged on how they did, but on how they did relative to expectations. Whose expectations? The media’s. In this grading on a curve, a very steep one in this case, that they routinely do, the media abandons their proclaimed objectivity. “How the candidate did” is something that is independent of my opinion (though it may not be possible to grasp it completely without bias), but “how the candidate did, relative to my opinion of how they were going to do” is a metric is which your opinion is of the essence.