Donald Trump’s national security advisor, Michael Flynn, traveled to Japan in mid-October when things were looking pretty grim for his candidate. He was there “on the invitation of a U.S. company for which he serves as an adviser,” and he met with a wide array of current and former officials from the majority and minority parties.
Of course, Trump had said some really asinine things about Japan and especially about nuclear proliferation during the campaign, so it was natural that folks would want to ask Flynn about them.
But Flynn said not to worry.
In his meetings, Flynn is said to have claimed Trump’s controversial campaign-trail remarks were merely part of the rhetoric needed to secure an election win, according to informed sources. His actual policies after taking office would be different from what he said to galvanize his support base, Flynn predicted.
This isn’t unprecedented. Barack Obama made noises about revisiting NAFTA during his 2008 campaign but Austan Goolsbee went to Canada and reassured them that it was just “rhetoric needed to secure an election win” intended to “galvanize the base.”
“Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.”
This isn’t some kind of great excuse, by the way. I don’t remember too many people being impressed or approving of Obama and Goolsbee’s two-faced game when it was divulged. It was also about a trade agreement that, while very important, didn’t rise to the level of encouraging Japan and South Korea (and Saudi Arabia) to become nuclear-armed states.
I seem to remember Hillary Clinton taking on some water after it was revealed that she had told finance industry executives that effective leaders sometimes need “both a public and a private position.” Maybe she was thinking of how Abraham Lincoln navigated the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment, but people didn’t like the sound of it and it badly hurt her campaign.
In the context of everything else that is going on and that raises serious concerns, it doesn’t seem like such a big deal that Trump would say one thing on the stump while privately believing something completely different.
But there’s always the possibility that Trump didn’t say that he thought more countries should have nuclear weapons because he believed that that was exactly what the Republican base wanted to hear. Frankly, that theory doesn’t make any sense. A more likely answer is that Trump just wanted to argue that America shouldn’t pay to protect our lazy allies anymore than his voters should foot the bill on food stamps that go to people who are too lazy to work.
And he’s an idiot.
What he’s not is a straight-shooter who tells the truth and doesn’t engage in political rhetoric.
Are we supposed to be comforted by this? Seems to me the only conclusion is that he duped a big percentage of the American public. Will there be a backlash? Or didn’t they ever care about these things anyhow? Perhaps it was just his simplistic rage that they loved.
Public and private positions
A Permanent Government-level politicians’s absolute necessity if winning is the real goal.
We all have them, as a simple matter of survival. I get substantial heat from a blog full of so-called “progressives” for my political positions. In public? I’m just another left centrist schmo, mostly.
“You don’t work, you don’t eat.”-James Brown
The difference between most of us and the politicians?
Our lies and prevarications don’t ruin lives, they preserve them.
Trump?
You say he’s an idiot.
Thye jury is still out on that account.
If he is an “idiot,” then he is an idiot savant…a primitive genius, as I called him on another post here. He checkmated every political grandmastert in the U.S. during the course of his campaigns, and he did so while basically ignoring his own advisors. A case could be made that Leopold Mozart was also an idiot savant, but ignoring his genius musically would be foolish. Same same here.
Don’t sell this guy short. Y’all did that for over a year and a half, and look where that got us.
Word.
AG
I’d guess you mean Wolfgang, the greatest artistic genius in human history, not his father Leopold.
But please don’t be dragging poor innocent Mozart into this swamp, he’s all we have left….
No, that would be Michelangelo.
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Leonardo IMHO
Duh!!! Too little sleep.
Wolfgang, of course.
AG
The public/private position problem is a feature of all politics, from democracy to autocracy, it seems to me. Regrettable but seemingly necessary. And I could swear this “make our allies pay for defending ’em” is disingenuous claptrap that became common in the early days of the Conservative Era, so this is Trump going back to an old brackish well.
I’m more concerned with Der Trumper’s public-public statements and their frequent incoherence. Specifically, how does the “make ’em pay!” rhetoric square with the proposed military build-up stance that Trump has taken—for example the idiotic ship count “strategy” of (meaninglessly) moving toward a 350 ship navy? Why doesn’t (ex-naval power) Japan have to pay for that? Or amend their constitution to allow them to become a militarist power again? And maybe we should get the financial commitments from the free-loader allies before we begin another binge on our already bloated military? Of course not.
Things will be very, um, interesting in the Pacific theater as we embark on TrumpAmerica. We have a very provocative (nuclear) regime in N Korea, which certainly will be looking to provoke and harass the incompetent fool Trump as soon as possible. The difficulties on the Korean peninsula tax even experienced foreign policy teams and will be quite beyond the clowns assembled for the Trump Circus.
We are apparently to confront Jhina (in Trumpspeak) and the N Korean madman at the same time, while hectoring S Korea (which has its own anti-American issues) and decidedly non-militarist Japan for some cashola to cover the military build-up deficits. Jhina’s leaders will also quickly seek to take the measure of our unqualified gold-plated part-time denizen of the WH as well. I guess we’ll have the useful Russian navy in our corner, though, so there’s that–always look for the silver lining!
Anyway, it all should make for some very serious intractable world tensions, that may finally result in multiple nuclear strikes on the Korean peninsula. Heckuvajob, incompetent white electorate!
Why doesn’t (ex-naval power) Japan have to pay for that? Or amend their constitution to allow them to become a militarist power again?
Because RWNJ Prime Minister Abe is trying to amend the Japanese constitution, spurred on by Obama.
Trump hasn’t put any serious thought into any of these individual positions but they did allow him craft a broader message that appealed to many.
What Trump proposed amounted to a different, far more malevolent, form of American imperialism.
It’s unfortunate because Japan is perfectly capable of defending itself. There is no good reason why we should still have any military bases on Japanese soil or guaranteeing their security when such a guarantee is unnecessary.
Since we’re discussing public and private positions, I’d say that Pres. Obama made a terrible error in misjudging the importance of addressing trade deals in terms favorable to the working class.
His initial public position was the correct one and his betrayal on trade left many, in the Midwest especially, with lingering mistrust for the Democratic party. He then compounded this error with his approach to future trade deals such as TPP. A bit of hubris that came back to bite the President.
far harder.
THere are no such terms.
You want ‘favorable to the working class’ be prepared to embrace autarky, with all of its benefits — and all of its costs.
I haven’t read the TPP, but free trade is, I believe, an important and necessary part of American life. It keeps prices low. And it links us with other countries and cultures in innumerable ways. Though I’m not an expert on economics, I do believe in Bastiat’s claim that “When goods don’t cross borders, armies will.”
As for the TPP, as you probably know, there are competing agreements pretty much on the table, spearheaded by China. As Obama predicted, they will be acceptable to the other nations involved once TPP fails. The USA will be cut out of the deals. Not good for us at all. And good for China. (At least that’s the way I see it.)
If they were so important geopolitically they shouldn’t have been loaded with corporate goodies.
Seabe. What else were they loaded with that you might think was OK?
I don’t know what you’re asking or insinuating. I’m not even the biggest oppponent of free trade on this blog — far from it.
Not insinuating. Sorry if the post came across that way. Wondering whether there is anything to like in TPP? Your reply sounded pretty anti-corporatist. There is a fix, I’d imagine, for working folks who lose their jobs because of trade. But, as we’ve been told, many jobs were lost to technology, robotics, etc. So, what I’m genuinely asking is what’s good about TPP? And does it offset whatever gains might be had by corporations (which may not all be bad, for instance some intellectual property protection.)
I’d say there’s nothing I’ve seen that’s to like in TPP. Can you point out the positives? From my own personal standpoint, I had a lot to gain from the intellectual property provisions. The more US version of patent protection is shared by the world, the greater my job security. But I opposed those patent protections because they’re harmful to the world, particularly with respect to medicine.
To be honest, I’m not particularly interested in whether TPP is good policy on the merits. One thing we should be more aware of is how much of an emotional issue trade has become, especially when exploited by a demagogue. The negative effects of trade and globalization have caused protracted resentments and aren’t limited to just one person affected.
We’re still going to have trade even without these deals. It is simply not worth losing political capital and hurting your electoral prospects to aid big business. Especially if it’s seen as turning your back on the working class.
Good parts of TPP: The TPP added enforcement of environmental and labor issues to some existing trade pacts, notably NAFTA. It would have knocked down some of Japan’s more egregious trade barriers. Arguably it would have kept Malaysia and Vietnam closer to the West than to China.
These good points do not cover its numerous bad points, including astonishingly far-reaching ISDS provisions, extension of insane US copyright and patent laws to other countries, and of course further erosion of US manufacturing.
I think it would have been a boon to farmers. But doesn’t any agreement have pros and cons? It’s a negotiation. Yes there will be trade nonetheless. However, my sense is that our obstinacy (or perhaps the lies told about the effects of NAFTA)led to folks believing a lie: that only if we negotiated better that their jobs in their small towns would have been saved and life would remain “the same” for them. Truth is, their kids are moving away because they don’t want those jobs, because they have more education, because robotics, because labor can be had for $3 per hour insted of $18 an hour with benefits, and because those same folks want to drive to Walmart to get a 60″ LED TV for $500 bucks instead of $1200.
this is the attitude the govt counted on, that “free trade is good”, and that people wouldn’t demand the details. Trade is good and essential, unregulated “free” trade is not.
then when the “free trade is good” argument wasn’t convincing people we started hearing about the competition with China and about the diplomatic importance of agreements for the sake of agreeing.
All the countries involved in the TPP negotiations will still be trading with the US without a deal.
The design of TPP has been hidden, and TTIP too. If there were a real gain for workers they would know it by now, after the NAFTA and GATT shakedown leaving the bitter taste it did.
‘Good for farmers’ means corn syrup added to everything, huge agribusiness welfare and reconstituted pink Mcslime instead of food.
Europe has just swallowed CAFTA, after 7 years of gagging.
TTIP being cancelled is a huge kick in the nuts to some very big players.
Whose lobbying will be turned up bigly to 11, now voters got their jollies and can go back to their rural pursuits of happiness.
Like dressing up in robes’n’stuff, praying to jayzuz hunting illegals, POC, commie liberal hippie ‘economic terrorists’ objecting to air quality heading for Beijing’s, pipelines criss-crossing the country blowing up and leaking into the water table.
Local Business-unfriendly? Begone!
Do really believe they took him seriously? I’m sure their public face was one that seemed to show agreement and cooperation. In private it’s a very different story. No one in Japan cheered upon learning that Donald Trump had won the election. They were cringing and wondering how they would deal with this buffoon.