I don’t understand how Trumpism is supposed to work. I certainly see the appeal of a populist movement that leans heavily to the right while still being heavily critical of orthodox conservatism. I can envision a strategy that eschews governing through the Republican Party despite being technically a Republican administration. But the way to do those things is to sacrifice part of the traditional Republican constituency in order to win over a healthy slice of the Democratic constituency. This is what Trump effectively did in the election, but he has to translate that into votes in Congress. It’s this last part that he’s making no effort to pull off. In fact, everything he’s done since winning the nomination and (especially) the presidency seems to be focused on alienating would-be Democratic supporters in Congress.
There are labor Democrats who would hold their nose on insults to women and minorities long enough to work with Trump on a big infrastructure bill. The same Democrats might become valuable allies on trade issues. There are more mainstream Democrats who might be enticed to work on health care reform if Trump seemed serious and realistic about health policy. There are Democrats who might provide some cover for a less bellicose foreign policy if it were coupled with less defense spending and more emphasis on diplomacy. If Trump is serious about protecting Medicare and Social Security and expanding access to affordable health care and prescription drugs, there are many Democrats who would join him.
But he’s pushed Democrats away with virtually every single action he’s taken, starting with the people he’s chosen to fill out his cabinet. He’s taken away any cover a Democrat might have had to ally with him on some issues.
This won’t work for Trump if he intends to stand up to his own party which, given his inaugural address, he apparently does.
…Mr. Trump dropped hints in interviews, Twitter posts and other public comments that he intended to push his party away from its free-market, internationalist dogma on trade, foreign alliances, immigration, infrastructure spending and prescription drug access…
…Republicans have resisted Democratic efforts to spend big on the nation’s roads, bridges, tunnels and rail lines; use the federal government’s power to bargain for lower prescription drug prices; block trade agreements; and limit foreign interventions. Republican leaders have sought a business-friendly approach on immigration laws, offering a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and tried to restrain popular programs like Social Security and Medicare.
If the president is able to blur party lines on such issues and harness an ascendant blue-collar coalition to win that clash, he will have untethered conservatism from the Republican Party and shifted the party away from the small-government approach that has been its hallmark since Ronald Reagan stood 36 years ago in the same position on the Capitol steps as Mr. Trump.
I guess what I’m saying is that I can see the desire and the advisability of blurring party lines, but I can’t see how you can govern effectively as an in-your-face take-no-prisoners Republican and expect to divide the Democrats. And if you can’t divide the Democrats because your personal style and your racist intolerant attitudes repel them, then you cannot afford to create divisions on your own side. The Republicans only have 52 votes in the Senate. That means that they need eight Democrats to overcome a filibuster. And, even if they grow frustrated with their inability to accomplish that and get rid of the filibuster, they’ll still only be able to afford two Republican defections.
These are real obstacles that will place limitations on what Trump can accomplish. And he’s created real enemies within the Republican caucus in the Senate. John McCain and Lindsey Graham basically hate him. Jeff Flake is appalled by him. Rand Paul can safely be considered a dedicated enemy. There are also moderates like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski who have both substantive and political reasons for resisting him on many issues. Maneuvering around them is possible, but much more difficult if he can’t consistently win over a handful of Democrats.
There are some Democrats who will feel political pressure to work with Trump. Certainly Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia have to be cognizant that their states voted overwhelmingly for Trump. Even liberals like Sherrod Brown of Ohio have to look over their shoulder when they oppose him. Trump needs to utilize this potential strength, but he’s pissing it away as fast as he can.
The puzzle pieces don’t fit together for me. One thing Trump should look at are his poll numbers. He’s already approaching where Bush was at his lowest point, after six years of unrelenting failure. He needs to get his poll numbers up because no one feared Bush by 2006. Certainly no one feared him by 2008, and not just because people knew he was leaving office. He was a liability to his allies and a rallying point for his opponents.
That’s where Trump is starting out, and he’s accelerating the process.
I think he’s also misjudging how he should treat the media. They’re the only foil he has left at the moment, so he’s going to play himself off against them relentlessly. But he’s going to discover that the media are more influential when covering a president than they are when covering a campaign. You can’t Tweet a daily press conference, and there are many things an administration does that only reach the people through traditional news outlets. You can’t spin everything through an alternative media or through fake news, especially the less sexy more substantive and wonky stuff.
He’s even making a dangerous enemy in the Intelligence Community, which a basic concern for personal survival ought to preclude him from doing. He should be turning the IC into a loyal client, but he’s disrespecting their dead and running afoul of their core values, all while cozying up to a Russian regime they consider to be hostile to American interests. The Pentagon’s commitment to our allies and NATO is also probably greater than their commitment to Trump. A sensible president who wanted to challenge them on these things would be subtle, patient, and even conniving. Trump isn’t sophisticated enough to be conniving, and he’s the opposite of subtle and patient. He will not win a political battle with these folks, especially when he doesn’t have support in Congress and his polls are in the toilet.
Another way of putting this is that he doesn’t have as much power as he thinks he does, he’s squandering the power he does have, and he’s empowering his opponents while weakening the unity of his potential partners.
This all makes me hopeful. But it’s also terrifying because we have to rely on him to at least do some basic things competently. And there is just no basis for thinking that Trump can do this job on any level, let alone a competent level.
He’s certainly willing to get up in the morning and go to work, but he’s never submitted to the schedule-makers who rule a president’s world. A president has to do the meetings with the boy scouts and acknowledge important anniversaries and attend certain conferences and check all kinds of boxes simply to avoid offending people and causing rifts with important interest groups, constituencies, and foreign powers. A president’s time is almost never their own. Trump is going to buck this aspect of the job, and he’s going to generate one bad news cycle after another as a result.
He also needs his administration to take the lead on long-haul legislative efforts which require detailed strategy, both procedural and political, and yet he can’t maintain a consistent reality-based position on issues from one day to the next.
He can’t finesse this away by sending Kellyanne Conway out to tell people that they’re using “alternative facts.” Facts, whether true or false, don’t move processes along from beginning to end.
It’s clear already that Trump is going to fail at this job in spectacular fashion. That will limit what he’ll accomplish, which is mostly a good thing. But we’re trapped in the bus he’s driving, and we’re all going to feel the impact as it crashes over and over again.
The same way it has always worked for Mr. Trump.
Weak opponents (often shoved into a corner and forced to choose between taking a large hit or a slightly smaller hit) and lots of razzle-dazzle that just enough people can’t see through.
How many months did those left of center watch Mr. Trump picking off his GOP opponents without seeing how he did it and that Ms. Inevitable was vulnerable to the same?
“Give a Mouse a cookie …” Sorry but children’s stories and fairy tales seem to have the best lessons when dealing with a man-child.
The hubris of his opponents is Trump’s greatest strength.
Over and over. Trump will fail. Trump cannot succeed.
Over and over. And his opponents do not learn.
Our system is very much broken when it comes to electing presidents. However, Trump enters office badly wounded and the things his party wants to do are unpopular. They want him to be a rubber stamp and that’s just something Trump is not well suited to be. Pence would be a fabulous rubber stamp. The agenda would still be unpopular but he would put a pretty good face on everything and not squander his power.
Over time, as this all plays out, it would not surprise me if Trump tacked back the other way to begin courting favor on the left. Perhaps he tries to do productive and popular things that the country could get behind. It would make sense to use his popularity in wingnutville to force Republicans to back things they don’t want to back like infrastructure or, heck, even recreating Obamacare as Trumpcare with maybe a public option. Then he’d have a shot at getting support from both sides of the aisle.
I could see him doing essentially what Schwarzenegger did in California. The Republicans could be really sorry they got on board with this guy. Of course that could happen in a number of ways. My vision is clearly the most optimistic (short of Trump having a near death experience and transforming into a caring, empathetic and decent human being).
Most likely we witness an embarrassing failed presidency because he lacks any sense of the world beyond his narcissism and the people around him are soulless. Exactly how that plays out is utterly unpredictable.
And what are we supposed to do about it at this point? Decide that Trump will never lose? He’s the strong juggernaut, so lets just go watch reruns of Bewitched and call it a life? You’re becoming rather negative. The Trump period will be a disaster, but it should not last forever. I mean, come on, even Trump is going to die someday. Hopefully before I do since he’s 30 years older.
It’s crazy to take the Times tea-leaf reading of the inaugural speech seriously, as if Trump really wanted to accomplish anything other than applause to make him feel less inferior. He still doesn’t have a clear idea what presidents even do, and it’s not easy to see where he could acquire one.
He says these things, about infrastructure and so forth, because they’re applause lines. If he did intend to accomplish that stuff he wouldn’t know where to start, and he doesn’t have any advisors who would tell him.
What the administration actually does will depend entirely on the cabinet of doctrinaire Republican hacks. Trump is hardly relevant except for his capacity for making embarrassing noises. It’s almost as if Pence and Ryan were using him as a distraction while they carry out their plans to take down the Roosevelt/Johnson/Obama legacy. I think they’re likely to fail too, but let’s not waste too much time analyzing Trump’s intentions.
Yeah, this seems to be it exactly. He’s a con man. He’s always been a con man. He’s never not in the process of running a con. His semi-coherent word salad has zero bearing on what he’ll actually do, which will depend on the scumbags he’s surrounded himself with and the wingnuts in congress.
I am starting to feel a slight optimism.
He is going to unite America – In the same way that W did.
My feeling is that the election of an African-American President was made possible by W’s spectacular failures.
If we can survive it, the backlash against Trump could really get something done…
Me too! Just came back from my neighborhood walk. The honey bees are in the magnolia blossoms. The huge redwood tree doesn’t give a flying fuck about Trump.
Spring is on the way!
Those redwood trees should fuckin care about Trump.
King Redwood cannot be bothered by ephemeral el-crappola like a deranged Emperor. He’s still in his youth, busy exploding the cement barrier around his base, and loving this wet weather. All the neighborhood trees are giddy with moisture and realize they will outlive all of the humans currently inhabiting this mudball. Humans … mayflies with bad taste.
Ronald confided in Nancy, she pushed the buttons. Donald has family, the boss Sicilian style? We’ll see.
He has made too many powerful enemies and he overestimates the power of his own presidency. If he thinks that he is dealing with blown-up street thugs like John Gotti, Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno and Paul Castellano, he has another think coming. He’s in the big leagues now,and the talent is infinitely better, infinitely smarter and infinitely more powerful than anything he has ever seen firsthand.
Watch.
I think that he will be at the very least stymied at every turn.
Watch.
AG
P.S. Of course, he may be thinking of some sort of putsch. That would explain his continuous refusal to deal with the real power blocs of this system. If he is, he’s living a pipe dream.
He’s playing business and they’re playing war.
P.P.S. In fact…they ain’t “playing” at all !!!
Had to look that one up at dictionary.com
“a plotted revolt or attempt to overthrow a government, especially one that depends upon suddenness and speed.”
Yup. One bloody staged 9/11 style event and welcome to martial law. Got to maintain law-and-order, you know.
I truly think that even an attempt of that sort wold be stopped by very powerful interests before it reached any possibility of a conclusion Exactly how it would be stopped is an open question, but they have their own history of putsch-pushing, and they are experts in the field.
It is often said, “Never hustle a hustler.”
Well…never try to putsch a professional putscher, either. You are most likely going to get end up getting putsched right over a cliff along with all your little helpers.
Word.
AG
I think it is a bit to early to say exactly how things are going to go down, but my guess is Trump ends up the bullshitter-in-chief, broadcasting a daily smokescreen of “fake news” (they used to call it propaganda…) while his cabinet of billionaires work to enrich themselves and their friends, and the Republican congress tries to turn America into Paul Ryan’s version of Ayn Rand’s fantasy paradise. It will be a mess. As you say, the “we manufacture our own reality” thing didn’t work that great for Bush in the end, and it seems Trump is starting with a weaker hand.
Any Democrat would be a fool to work with these guys and whoever does will become toxic to the rest of the party.
It’s the Russian thing I can’t get past. If things continue the way they are going then everyone who treats him civilly is going to get painted with a red quisling brush.
Are they competent and/or devious enough to kill every investigation? That really should be Trump’s minions first order of business. His first overseas meeting is supposedly with Putin
To me, this shows one of two things,
A) they are stupid as hell
or
B) he has no choice, Putin has demanded this meeting.
My guess is within a year Trump is shown to be a quisling, and even more so than now, no even moderately decent person will associate with him.
Of everything we have seen, IMO it’s this issue that eventually reaches a tipping point.
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of course you can’t get past the Russian thing.
You are a patriotic American.
Much of the government will be on automatic pilot for months since nearly all Cabinet heads, assuming they are all confirmed, have never run any agency at any level of government. And less than 5% of political appointee positions have even been nominated much less confirmed. And even assuming everybody is in place, there is no practical strategy and program for implementing the slogans Trump has made. And he is way too lazy to work on strategies and programs. This Administration will be a study in chaos and incoherency until he walks out or is shoved out of the job.
Let the career civil service take over. Hope Obama administration managed to burrow in some people, especially in DOJ.
Expect much passive-aggressive resistance in departments and agencies ordered to implement stupid and/or counter-productive stuff generated from stupid decisions by Trump and his appointees. (Once had a boss like that and she rarely saw how her orders weren’t being implemented. Then she’d chastise the staff to do as she said, we’d nod and apologize, and continue not complying.)
You may be missing the forest here, and yes he and his cabinet are shaping up to be singularly ineffectual.
But it will really be about Congress putting things in front of him and telling him to sign it. They have said this over and over, all they want is someone who can hold a pen and sign his name.
The biggest question for me is, will the Republicans be able get their bills out of both houses of Congress and will he sign them? or will he grandstand and make trouble to prove that he’s the boss. Will he really sign laws to gut popular programs?
He’s actually not the smartest guy, but I’m sure he’s aware that the President will usually get the blame for things that the Congress does.
Just can’t see Trump in the role of rubber stamp. It’s so not his style. Perhaps he makes an ass of himself in a thousand other ways but manages to hold the pen with competence. I doubt it, especially since the things he’ll be asked to sign are really unpopular. Perhaps he goes along for a while. But long terms it’s hard to imagine him willing to be used in that way.
What worries me is this — we thought the same thing about Bush, that he was incompetent and couldn’t do the job, and he was well on his way to demonstrating his incompetence (remember how he spent months dithering about stem cell research?) — but then 911 happened and suddenly everyone was “rallying around our great president”.
Trump would also be seen as terrific if he was talking on a bullhorn atop a pile of rubble.
Pence is no Cheney, but he has the brains to surround himself with Cheney-lite types and basically run the US government the same way Cheney did.
that was an excellent lesson in what doesn’t work to defeat a Bush or Trump. Why are so many resisting that lesson?
OK. I’m game. Tell us what does work.
Hahaha!
More fool you!
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Yes, I too am eager to hear!
I’m game.
I don’t know what works.
I do know that continued predictions of his failure have not worked.
Feel better?
The superior nature of your aporia, compared to ours, is duly noted.
It is impossible to be superior if you know nothing.
In this case I don’t.
When your head hurts, first stop pounding it against the wall.
Start with the easy stuff (and there’s actually some of that with some of the people he’s appointed but that’s being drowned out by his boasting and the whining from the left side of the aisle). But here’s one:
More of the same:
Easy because:
Far, far easier to make an attack stick when the overwhelming majority of the public is already there. And don’t drop it until an intended effect has been achieved. This one is good to go for some time — but change up the wording on the attack to keep it fresh.
In other words, play the game exactly like the “birthers” did.
I agree that’s a very good tool for attacking Trump, and keeping it fresh is a no-brainer because almost everything Trump does could potentially be due to a conflict of interest he’s hidden in his tax returns. Start with the action to raise the price of mortgage insurance. Did he do it because he has loans to banks that he’s hiding in his secret tax returns?
Why
didn’t
anybody
think
of
that
before?
Also, too:
“WikiLeaks spent the final weeks of the 2016 presidential election leaking information harmful to Hillary Clinton’s campaign — but now they’re not happy with the man who beat her, President Donald Trump…
…WikiLeaks ✔ @wikileaks
Trump Counselor Kellyanne Conway stated today that Trump will not release his tax returns. Send them to: https:/wikileaks.org#submit so we can.
8:53 AM – 22 Jan 2017
WikiLeaks Verified account
@wikileaks
Trump’s breach of promise over the release of his tax returns is even more gratuitous than Clinton concealing her Goldman Sachs transcripts.
9:15 AM – 22 Jan 2017″
I don’t know what additional evidence needs to be provided to show that Julian Assange wishes to grievously damage the government of the United States and place the discourse of our citizenry into turmoil. He and WikiLeaks personnel consider the United States their enemy. Anyone who supports Wikileaks after their actions of the last years is a collaborator with enemies of our Republic.
I recall Marie3 making a direct assertion that those critiquing WikiLeaks’ 2016 electoral propaganda program are hypocritical, and that we would be very happy to see WikiLeaks propagandize against Trump and the Republicans.
I’m happy to be provided an updated test case. Hey, Marie3: FUCK NO, I’M NOT HAPPY THAT WIKILEAKS IS THREATENING TO EXECUTE PROPAGANDA ATTACKS ON OUR NEW PRESIDENT.
See how easy it is do display integrity?
In other news, no damaging information about Vladimir Putin, the Russian government, its associated oligarchs, Russian war crimes, or Russian civil rights violations are being publicly sought by Wikileaks.
Apparently they didn’t get them during the campaign. With Trump internally beagling the IRS, they’re not likely to get them now. And he can classify them the highest level of national security classification.
9/11 was a singular event in terms of the scale. To be honest, not a lot of people were paying attention to the possibility of something like that happening. A similar event happening now, 16 years into the GWOT isn’t going to have the same “rally around the president” effect. The expectation is that something like that isn’t supposed to happen. Trump may be able to use something like that to claim that Obama Holdovers in the CIA need to be removed and go about purging anyone and everyone who would want to put a brake on the general destruction of Islam around the world, but I don’t think he’d get a bunch of Dems signing on to that. The first response of some of the public will be “see, liberals and poitical correctness were wrong all along” but I think even more would go “you dumb ass. you’re supposed to prevent these things from happening.”
I just don’t see him being able to give the type of speech that would pull his numbers up with anyone who wasn’t a Republican to begin with. His speech would just mirror the inaugural address or a campaign speech. Promising to Lock Hillary Up wouldn’t save his ass.
It does seem he can only give one type of speech….maybe even one speech..over and over. Every once in awhile the POTUS needs to address the nation, one wonders if he is capable of doing that.
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Serious question: Why would Putin want Trump to govern, when Trump’s clear talent is bluster and dysfunction?
Everything here makes perfect sense when the camera is pulled back far enough to show Putin pulling Trump’s strings.
Putin doesn’t have to pull Trump’s strings. Just negotiate and end to sanctions on Russia’s leaders and on Russia and then let Trump be Trump.
Putin doesn’t want Trump to govern; he wants to end the sanctions and reverse the policy of containment and the ratcheting up of a new Cold War.
Those are rational moves for the authoritarian of a religious-nationalist capitalist oligarchy.
Chaos is friend of the wicked and evil
To some extent this is the end result of the corrosive process that began in 1981, when we were trained to accept an absentee figurehead President who knew how to talk into a microphone or a camera lens but didn’t know anything else — we were told to “let Reagan be Reagan” and the system would somehow work. The most demanding job in the world got spun as a sort of symbolic sinecure (despite the way that our guys, Clinton and Obama, worked furiously to demonstrate that it took supremely competent people to handle the job the right way). It’s one of those PR lies so egregious that it infects and pollutes everything.
But this is something else again. This is what happens when (unlike even Reagan) you have a President with literally no understanding of how a legislation-based, court-based governing process works. (He made this clear during the campaign, when he said he’d appoint SC judges “who would go after” Hillary or scolded the Democratic congress for “not stopping” the wars or the telecom pardons.)
If I were Trump (meaning, totally inexperienced, yet unexpectedly elected behind a divisive agenda and a dubious/fragile “populist” movement) I would have spent the last eight weeks furiously studying everything and learning how Washington works. I would have had a “command center” where I’d have a staff bringing me briefing books every day (every hour) and I’d be doing reachout to every agency and every policy group, working to ensure that my agenda would remain feasible and balanced with the necessary compromises and politesse.
But of course he’s done none of that. He simply thinks, he won the election so he’s in charge. He’s genuinely puzzled that everyone’s still picking on him. Not only is he already bored with the nuts and bolts of the job, I don’t think he even understood that it was a job (in the way that so many CEOs don’t really grasp the work that has to be done to turn their whims into viable corporate policy). He thought he could just sit in the Oval Office and be “in charge” and all that stuff he said on the stump would start to happen.
So of course we’ve got exactly what I was hoping for on November 9th: immediate, total, conspicuous, catastrophic failure and collapse. It’s going to be bad but this is the best possible outcome of the freak election.
So of course we’ve got exactly what I was hoping for on November 9th: immediate, total, conspicuous, catastrophic failure and collapse.
Way too soon for that conclusion. As we’ve seen Trump is quite adept at wiggling out of the shitpiles he creates and/or steps in.
True: when we were trained to accept an absentee figurehead President who knew how to talk into a microphone or a camera lens but didn’t know anything else . But Reagan’s handlers only had to trot him out for those appearances with his rehearsed lines and teleprompter every once in a while. The “mic” this time is twitter and it operates 24/7. However, it’s predictable enough that good shots using the same “mic” can be got in before or within seconds of when he spews one.
For example, Trump doesn’t miss many opportunities to tweet a glowing assessment of his performances. Thus, there was no need to engage in an honest evaluation of his inaugural speech when a quick, preemptive hit works better. wrt Trump’s speech. A couple have been worse; like Benjamin Harrison 1889.
Good points…but the essential difference between Reagan and Trump is Reagan’s docility. They never had to worry about Reagan doing anything he wasn’t told to do. As Paul Slansky reconstructed in that great book of his, Reagan was every inch as obedient and professional in the White House as he was on movie sets. He evidently believed that this was what the job constituted. (Remember when two of his cabinet members — Baker and what’s-his-name — decided to switch jobs and Reagan just nodded amiably.)
Bush was a little different in that he had some cunning and some sense of his own authority and intentionality — so it turned into a game of who could get him to agree with them about what to do (a game that Cheney obviously mastered, at least for the first term). This was still someone who — given his lineage — had some sense of the job and of dealing with legistators and the courts (cf. John Woo etc.) but could be guided tactically and shrewdly by those around him. Unlike Reagan, he could not automatically be relied upon to do what he was told and to stick to the script.
But, if you draw a line from Reagan to Bush II (in terms of this specific quality of autonomy and perceived autonomy) you have to extend that line a vast distance before you get to Trump. Trump can’t be boxed in the same way. Yes, he can be manipulated and influenced, but if he doesn’t want to do something (prep for a debate; attend National Security briefings; stop tweeting) he won’t do it, full stop.
And this is the element I’m saying will ensure his failure, as I’m describing. He’s got all the ego and grandiosity of Hitler with none of the intelligence, drive or tactical skill. He’ll keep pulling rank and insisting he’s “allowed” to do whatever crazy thing he wants to do.
If I were someone else around here I would say “Bet on it.” (We seem to have been spared “Like dat” of late, for which I’m grateful.)
Agree with both you and LosGatosCa (downthread). Or more accurately I’m in between the two of you.
Trump’s ignorance is a life-long style. Doesn’t matter if it’s due to laziness, lack of aptitude, or narcissism. He doesn’t apply himself to the hard stuff because he’s always gotten away with doing the easy and superficial stuff. (referred to as pseudo-maturity in children.) However, he always relied on others to cover the hard stuff for him. (Doubt the mighty biz mogul DT could pass the first lesson in my accounting class — define debit and credit.)
Right now (after defeating 15 GOP contenders and the Democratic nominee that had more institutional power and money than any other ever), he has a “king of the world” attitude. It’s why he lost his shit over the obvious small size of his inaugural crowd in comparison with Obama’s. He’ll have to fall flat on his face a few more times before he’ll let anyone else tell him what to do to get the most adulation, applause, etc. Other than cutting taxes on people like himself and corporations, reducing regulations on business, and continuing the be “king of the world,” he has no agenda. Whatever benefits him the most is how he’ll roll.
Its going to be Paul Ryans dream really. Trump goes at the media to keep his existing supporters primed to ignore them and their facts. I think you can tweet press conferences.
No republican has crossed him legislatively so far. I still think you are looking at this through the wrong frame.
The thing is that Trumpism is driven by Stephen Bannon and Kellyanne Conway (with Jared Kushner having final say and being along for the ride). They are both mean, vindicative people to their core who have zero – perhaps even less than zero – interest in working with the traditional GOP. As such, I can very much see them setting off intraparty fights and vetoing measures that conservatives love purely out of spite. This is eventually going to spill over into how the White House operates – RNC PR BS is the embodiment of a party hack, and yet he’s probably one of the least powerful chief of staffs in recent memory.
I don’t think people were kidding when they said that a Trump White House is going to be a version of Game of Thrones. The fact that one of the first executive orders issued was a word salad about reducing federal involvement in the ACA (which literally does nothing substantive, as far as I can tell), shows that Trump isn’t serious about governing. I thought that the GOP would simply be able to shove crap in front of Trump and he would sign, but I feel like Bannon & Co. are going to want the scalps of the establishment GOP first before bothering to get into legislating (which I don’t think they actually give a shit about).
We live in interesting times, and Democrats need to be ready to take advantage.
Cardin/Schumer/Graham/McCain are bringing in a bill requiring any change in the sanctions presently in force against Russia to be subject to a Congressional vote. How will Bannon, et al. feel about that?
If all Democrats stay on board, that is exactly 50 votes.
Which other Republicans besides McCain and Graham will climb onto this one?
Indeed, both McCain and Graham have talked a good game until it actually comes time to vote.
I read this as Schumer posturing.
Go to Utube and watch the donald sign those exec orders. It appears he did not even read it prior to signing as he did not know where to sign.
Well, that doesn’t make me feel better, because Donnie will probably sign anything put in front of him, even if it was a single-payer bill, because he doesn’t read anything. That’s why I think there’s going to be a lot of open combat between his closest advisors (who loathe the establishment GOP) and the rest of them who want him to sign off on their wet dreams (and know he will, because he is ignorant) ASAP.
In Bannon’s own words
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Very clear that T is a not of sound mind, probably only kept marginally under control by Ivanka and Mr Kushner. Hence v. difficult to imagine how things will play out b/c there are competing interests out there, as noted, and doesn’t seem to be anyone in charge. The bubble in which T has lived until now has sheltered him and given him the appearance of success. who is in control? I’d say no one, and lots of powerful players competing to have their way to implement their narrow agenda to benefit themselves. what’s interesting to me is that T’s unhinged personality has already put the msm on defensive, maybe they’ll start acting like serious press. surely some of them realize what a fix we’re in as I’m sure the Intelligence Community does as well.
Also too, your conclusion that he’s going to fail spectacularly I agree with as well as where we are rattling around in the bus as it takes the hairpin curves.
He’s not planning on reaching out to Democrats to help govern; he’s going to tame the republican party and then use their total control of the federal government (and many statehouses) to ram through “his” agenda.
He’ll try to make the opposition look irrelevant and weak and will demonstrate that by attacking/eliminating/defunding key organizations/foundations/departments in very public ways. He’s going to play straight dominance politics and his strongest backers will eat that up. More than any particular policy, they want liberals to suffer and be shown “who’s really in charge”. His strongest backers, while maybe not a majority of republicans, would likely dominate primaries and thus would serve to neuter republican opposition.
Policy-wise, he’ll try to get some sort of large, showy stimulus that targets the “right people”, mostly in the upper midwest to cement those voters who went for him. Said stimulus will end up being an utterly ineffective giveaway to corps who are on board with the Trump agenda, but that won’t get much attention outside of the left and the increasingly irrelevant MSM.
I think that he’s banking on governing as a minority President and is going to look to use his power to steamroll the opposition into compliance.
Whether the governmental institutions are robust enough to resist a rogue President will be a critical question. I can’t imagine that there’s not a plan to aggressively neuter the IC, probably through a re-org that centralizes power on a trusted advisor.
Anyway, it obviously might not work, but it’s entirely in his nature to be aggressive and seek to dominate. If he can keep the opposition divided enough and weak, he can govern with a minority of public support.
He may well think this approach will work, but he’s going up against multiple entrenched interests who have been at this governing game for a long, long time. They know the levers of power, they know every inch of the playing field, they know who to ally with, short and long term, they know how to game the system, or gum it up — all things he and his closest coterie know bupkis about.
He’s outclassed, outgunned, half out of his mind with vindictive rage at anyone who denies his greatness in everything, incapable of buckling down to the myriad of tasks he’s utterly ignorant of which he needs to develop competence at — he’s got less knowledge and ability than a Monday morning quarterback heaving himself out of his recliner to take on Tom Brady and the Pats in the Super Bowl.
I think ultimately IC pwns T, not the other way around. IC better at this than T/Putin.
Why do you believe this? The IC is a bureaucracy. It takes direction from the executive branch. I think people are over-estimating the intensity of resistance to Trump in these organizations. He will give them other targets and new enemies to focus on.
First of all Trump is not trying to govern. He cares even less about governing than Bush did. Bush vetoed no bill of substance for the first six years I believe.
Trump will sign anything put on his desk. He’ll lobby no one. He will completely rely on Ryan and McConnell to do all the heavy lifting. Sure he’ll embarrass himself daily but pretty soon he’ll be looking like Reagan – of course we know he’s senile. Jim Baker, Don Regan, and Bush I are running things, thanks
Same way with Trump – his focus will be on helping Kushner get the connections he needs to be a long term power player and helping his family cash in. Everything else is just noise, entertaining as it may be. Ryan / McConnell will run everything with enough skill to keep the heat off of themselves.
Bush II vetoed 1 bill in his first 6 years – stem cell research.
I expect a similar pattern for Trump. Ryan /McConnell will determine the strategy and do the whipping. Trump will do the psychotic tweeting and then sign every bill they send him.
A key part of the Ryan/McConnell will be – don’t pay attention to that moron just vote with us and he’ll sign it.
Obamacare repeal – implementation plans will be tougher than getting votes.
SS/Medicare destruction – Trump/no Trump Republicans ca’nt get this done
Infrastructure – any looting parts will pass Trump/no Trump – actual spending was never going to happen anyway.
Trump is Bush II without any concerns about appearances.
If you think of this equivalence you’ll realize it’s all bullshit –
Compassionate conservatism = Trumpism
Not as concepts just as different strains of the same Republican misdirection.
This dramatically misses the danger.
I think Trump is dead serious at rolling back regulations in a way that hasn’t been seen since the New Deal.
This is the culmination of the dream that began with Goldwater.
You’re proving my point.
Rolling back all regulations has been a Republican goal since the New Deal.
The key is not Trump, the key is control of congress combined with any Republican president. Kasich would being the exact things that will occur under Trump, even more efffectively since all the sideshows would not be taking place.
Every generation of Republican administrations gets more brazen at breaking the norms. Reagan blew out the deficit, fired the air traffic controllers, did Iran contra. Bush/Cheney lied/denied everyday, turned a surplus that was poised to retire the national debt into a deficit explosion, ignored national security until it could be exploited to invade Iraq. Ryan/McConnell completely obstructed the economic recovery, filibustered Garland, etc.
Now, with Trump they have dealt themselves a hand that does not need to respect any norms or limits will lead to appointing 2-3 SC justices. Trump will effectively be just standard Republican signing every Koch inspired piece of legislation Ryan/Mcaconnell can pass. What’s happened in Kansas, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Florida had nothing to do with Trump.
When the worst sof these state policies get enshrined at the national level Trump will be the signer but hardly the instigator
So far, yes. But it is not set in stone. What is worrisome to me is what happens if he does some of the things the dems want? He will pick off a lot of them. And he could relegate the party to minority for a long time, or until some other republican changes the formula. So how about an infrastructure program, especially heavy in the Midwest? Or anything that cuts off the dems in Pa, O, Mich and Wis? He only needs it for 2020. F 35 in Michigan? And let’s not kid ourselves a deficit will mean nothing to Trump and friends – tax cuts and all.
Something that the MSM rarely reports, but should.
But, I assure you that the Spooks at Langley have never forgotten:
Vladimir Putin used to be one of the HEADS of the KGB.
The Spooks believe, and correctly so that the President is a puppet of the KGB.
My big worry is that nothing is done about this one issue.
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Whatever happens, get Pence removed from office first. That restores power to Congress with Republicans in a weakened state. It is not going to be as easy as it was when Spiro Agnew was removed for corruption as county executive. And Trump has essentially reversed the roles that Nixon and Agnew played. Trump is going to be taking down the nattering nabobs of negativism while Pence administers (hardly at all runs) the country.
Remember that Trump was initially grubstaked with a million dollars and has survived over the years through multiple bankruptcies of his business properties. Remember that his specialty is peddling his own surname and defending his brand from attack. Remember that his charm is the charm of the good ole boys locker room and weekend golf outings. And remember this quote from Marylin Bender, New York Times, “The empire and ego of Donald Trump”, (August 7, 1983); Trump was 37 years old:
These symptoms were much more mainstreamed in the 1950s, especially by affluent parents in the context of the Cold War. The US had never dembobilized after World War II, just scaled back to allow those who wanted out to go home.
Trump started at Fordham and transferred to Penn’s Wharton School’s real estate program, graduating with a bachelor of science in economics. Was that a legacy diploma or did he actually have to work the work?
Don’t underestimate Trump’s ability to reach his goals while looking like he’s goofing off.
My read on the early Putin meeting is a straight-out trolling of the post-election folks who were trying to make a McCarthy-like delegitimization campaign off of that one issue. And it is a “Hail Mary” to demonstrate the art of the deal and try to out-Nobel his “Kenyan Muslim socialist” predescessor with the doubtful birth certificate. But he is going to enter this meeting with a chest-beating WWE style and jockey to come out with something yuge. Just a hunch.
The best case is a new round of START talks and an opening to dialogue with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. That of course, would shake up the Russia and China containment folks in the US military and in the NATO staff particularly. And it would concern several European countries, especially in Eastern Europe, who would require their own deals.
The worst case is a failed rapprochement, a non-moving Putin and a disappointed and angry Trump, having failed in public once again. How the consequences of that play out are unpredictable but they could ratchet up dangerously fast.
Until he actually starts “work” on Monday, that is the most that we have a hint of. But we suspect that he has something in mind for China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and North Korea that is not exactly the Chinese New Co-Prosperity Sphere. Does Xi know how to deal American-style. That is likely what Trump will present him with. And Trump will not be subtle with appropriate face-saving gestures.
Pence and Congress will queue up the legislation in the meantime, as competently as Pence can manage in the background. Pence has been a governor; he knows how to work a friendly legislative branch.
The opposition party better be clear what they need to oppose and why and they need to be more adept at explaining themselves to the public that is increasingly going to be subjected to the Sean and Kellyanne show.
The Ninth Circle of Hell, by the way, has to do with punishment for treachery.
very helpful, all. Pence first, know what need to oppose and why, and work at explaining to public , yes
…with Agnew in mind. Maybe it didn’t matter since Republicans control Congress now, unlike in 1973 when the Democratic Party in Congress was solidly in control. Agnew resigned, of course, but would he have if Republicans controlled Congress under Nixon?
What would need to come out about Pence that would force him to resign (impeachment seems impossible) prior to Trump’s fall? Would it be something criminal (like Agnew) that he’s already done? Or would it be something he’s done since election?
From wiki
Sounds like our Emperor and his family, don’t it?
Ryan, McConnell, and Jim Demint are already doing his job. He just signs what they tell him to sign. Nominate who they tell him to nominate. That’s his job now and he’s doing it well. As long as the majorities hold, he won’t need to work with Democrats and he won’t need to do his job. He won’t even need to work with Republicans he doesn’t like. Ryan and McConnell will handle them. What the Orange One gets in the deal is to use the prestige of the office preen and nurse grudges, feed his ego. It’s a deal that will endure as long as the present GOP majorities endure.