The dominant narrative since the election has been about the rural (read white) vote. I think that is right and it is important to understand why we lost voters who voted for Obama previously.
Less discussed, though equally important is what happened with African American turnout. I first noticed something was amiss when I looked at the African American vote in Philadelphia.
Since that first investigation,and at the suggestion of someone at Dkos, I have updated the analysis I did on Philadelphia:
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One can say with confidence lower African American turnout cost Clinton Michigan (her margin in Detroit was more than 40K lower than Obama’s), Wisconsin (turnout in Milwaukee was down), maybe Pennsylvania (see above) and Florida.
Initially most of the discussion about Pennsylvania assumed African American turnout had held up since Clinton’s margin out of Philadelphia was equal to Obama’s. But the precinct numbers told a different story.
Exit polls are not granular enough to really fully understand what is happening with the African American vote. Even there, though, you see disturbing trends. Clinton’s margin in Florida among African Americans in the exit poll was +75, a 15 point decline from Obama who won the African American vote by 90. If the exit polls are right — and they are notoriously unreliable in certain subgroups — the shift from `12 was enough to cost Clinton Florida.
The best analysis of minority voting comes from the data files. State data files contain the race of the voter and whether they voted.
This chart is a comparison of the turnout by race in the battleground states versus what we would have based on prior elections and population vote. This comes from Patrick Ruffiani — a Republican to be sure — though his work here is respected by liberals as well. Having said that it would be REALLY GOOD to have a group here analyze these files (I only have access to Florida — they aren’t cheap — but I do see the same problem).
I want to draw your attention to the turnout among young African Americans, which was substantially below expectations. The problem was most acute among young black men
There is good news with respect to the Hispanic vote and the young — which was over expectations.
But we need to really understand the reasons for the decline in this turnout. With Senate races looming in most of the battleground states, reversing this turnout decline is vital.
The temptation is to blame voter suppression for part of this. This can’t be the case in Florida, where the restrictions in place where in place in 2012. North Carolina and Wisconsin are a different story.
But that alone cannot, I think, explain all of this under performance. Why would it be so concentrated among the young? Why the gap between male and female performance among young African Americans? Similar gaps between genders do not exist to nearly the extent it does between young African Americans.
There are about 5 readers of these diaries and honestly I post it as much to keep track of the data that explains why 2016 happened.
If I were to list the diaries they would show:
- There is evidence in rural counties that very white counties that saw an influx of immigrants saw bigger swings than those that did not. This is consistent with UK research post Brexit. See also discussion about immigration in the focus groups that Greenberg did on Macomb County in Michigan, and the generalized racial animosity he found.
- There is evidence that the economic recovery was much weaker in rural counties.
- There is significant evidence that counties with stagnating populations in the Midwest where the mostly likely to shift from Obama to Trump in a significant way.
- There were significant swings in opposite directions among income groups, particularly in states in the Midwest.
- There was significant erosion in the battleground states among millennials.
- In Florida, there were enormous swings in the exurbs around Tampa. These shifts were as large as 10 to 15 percentage points, and account for Trump’s margin in Florida.
- In my polling diaries I showed deterioration in Clinton’s numbers after the third debate. Some of this deterioration was the result of GOP voters coming home to Trump, some of it occurred after the Comey letter. There was clear slippage in the last 72 hours in key states. There is evidence that much of this late slippage was the result of shifts away from third parties. Other polling has suggested that voters moved away from Clinton on the grounds that her economic message had not gotten through. Others have suggested the second Comey letter angered GOP voters and knocked Clinton off stride.
It is hard to substantiate a lot of this movement in the Florida early vote, which was reasonably stable in partisan makeup. Trump did perform well on election day in Florida, but some of this may the result of the large Democratic Early vote.
- It is clear that Clinton’s organization was not as good as advertised, and in fact very thin in the Blue Wall. In Florida Steve Schale who ran Obama’s ’08 Florida campaign has suggested that the lack of organization outside of deep blue counties may have had a role in Clinton’s loss of Florida.
- Clinton’s advertising was very focused on personality and was the least focused on policy in recent history. One can argue that Donald Trump was her opponent and this makes sense, or one can argue it represents a failure to address the economic anxiety of voters.
None of the observations/reasons you’ve listed seem to apply to the subject of this diary.
My guess is that it’s a bit like love. If feels good and raises happiness expectations. It extends throughout the body into walk and talk. So much that the any flaws or shortcomings in the person one loves are overlooked.
Reality intrudes at some point when the love isn’t reciprocal. The loved one does well and the lover gets nothing in return. Reality take time to set in and the longer a relationship is sustained, it’s harder for reality to be acknowledged. Thus, for young AAs
Observed as early as early September
A version of punch the DFH because they have no place else to go, or Schumer’s for every deplorable we lose, we’ll pick up two new suburban voters.
Or — recall from 2000 that many young Nader voters remained incensed over Tipper’s music censorship efforts in the ’80s. Perhaps young AAs had noted and remembered Hillary’s use of the race card in ’08 or didn’t appreciate the presumptuousness of her “southern firewall” for the nomination.
The list at the bottom is just data I have found since the election. I don’t have a coherent one sentence explanation.
You can argue all of that went wrong and she STILL nearly won.
I only really am just learning why. Maybe the African Americans, like the young generally, just never connected with Clinton like they did with Obama.
There was certainly no Sister Soujah moment in the campaign. Whatever Clinton did or did not do she did nothing similar. Maybe she did just enough to address BLM to anger whites and not enough to address the concerns of the African American male.
Like so much else in the aftermath it seems everything is the cause of the loss, and so nothing is.
Clinton’s connection to the African Americans was not really tested in the primaries.
As a group with a long history of “enjoying” fewer economic (and other) resources, the blacks may be very skeptical of the progressive welfare “for everyone”. Social solidarity among blacks is not that great.
one factor may be what you pointed out about lack of attention to policy in media advertising. that lent a certain quality to the campaign overall –
Not all, but certainly I think a chunk can be found in simply that Obama, a black male, was not on the ballot. Hard to think of a candidate that could connect more poorly with young non-white males than HRC.
Black women were more likely to be activated by HRC’s sex to offset this among them, but they are a strongly politically engaged group generally AFAIK so it might not even have required that.
Just my initial instinct. Obama provided a turnout bonus that’s not there.
Yes, did anybody really expect the AA vote to stay the same as 2008/2012 regardless of who the candidate was? The reason that it affected the young more could simply be that young turnout has a much greater variation in general. A more meaningful comparison would be with 2004.
Latino turnout was strong, but that is likely more because of the opposition.
That is why I included the comparison in Philly to ’04.
There is more to learn certainly. But I do not think anyone anticipated as much of a falloff among the young as we saw.
Hope and Change was also not on the ballot. I don’t mean Mr H&C from 08 and 12, the guy who set expectations ridiculously high, but the sense, especially in the AA comm’y, that 8 yrs of one of their own in the WH didn’t seem to make a difference in their lives. So why should a white woman in the White House?
Can’t blame her for that — although she should have run a better campaign, and spent more time campaigning in the AA areas of PN and the other states she lost. Not just the usual insincere glad-handing that pols do, but speaking personally with these people in small and larger groups, about their specific concerns, jobs and housing and crime and the awful justice system, tackling the Expectations Gap the other guy created, reminding them that their vote does matter.
There was quite a difference between her speeches and her advertising.
In speeches she would talk about creating jobs. But it wasn’t close to the top of the list in her advertising.
That is all speculation on my part: I don’t know why there was the falloff among young African Americans.
Perhaps they thought Trump’s racism would be enough: but in some places in the Midwest it clearly was not.
Re Detroit. Surely the black population dropped in absolute numbers between elections.
It fell some, though not enough to account for most of the decline in the margin.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/2622000
You have to remember that Detroit is in the Midwest. And It’s a Big union area. Black people hate NAFTA just as much as any other union household. It’s just the “olders” have an affinity for the Clintons. Younger people have no such love.
Thats your difference
I would add this, Jerome:
Younger black people generally do not have much trust in any white-dominated system.
Not the political parties, not the courts and the rest of the whole so-called “justice system”…certainly not the police…and not any federal or state government over the past 40 years or so.
With more than adequate reason, I might add.
I get to talk with and listen to any number of intelligent young black people…I work with them in the jazz and latin scenes in NYC…and bet on it, they are through with “believing.”
“Prove it or get outta the fuck outta the way” pretty much sums it up.
Bet on that as well.
AG
Of course I carry most of the blame for HRC’s defeat, but …
Simple reasoning on my part, if HRC truly was committed to her Democratic roots she would have invested her time from 2014 onward in the Rust Belt states or whereever to see the effect of globalisation and people struggling in their livelihood. Her choice was to collect riches from Wall Street and missed her connecting to average people.
Needless to say, we shouldn’t just focus on the mismanaged presidential race to lose from a nincompoop, but also the broad performance in the races for governorships, the House and Senate.
In much of the country, particularly the South, Democrats are “basically extinct” at the state level.
○ Democrats devastated at state level in 2016 elections
She was trying to expand the map – which is why she ignored some of the Midwest. She didn’t think she was going to lose, and though pushing into Arizona was a way of expanding Democratic Party reach.
There wasn’t much difference between top of the ballot and down ballot. Only a few points either way in some of these races.
Not enough humanity.
Too much nitpicking. This race, that sex, these ages…all theoretical, no soul. Like we’re robots. Numbers in a machine. Data doesn’t win elections…people do.
You want a strong Democratic Party? Great. Build one that addresses the needs of the majority of Americans…economic needs. All Americans. Jobs. Education. Equal opportunity for all, not selected groups who are being given preference solely for political reasons. Safety from terrorism of all kinds…nutcases with guns and drug problems of all sorts including psychiatric drugs. Reform the whole healthcare system so that it works for the patients, not Big Med, Big Insurance and Big Pharma. Build a party that is not owned by corporate interests. Field candidates who are not 30 or 40 years away from having walked the streets as workers or students, candidates who can relate to working people experientially, not theoretically. Stop military adventurism. Americans are sick of war, sick of being seen as the bad guys. Start rebuilding the infrastructure instead. Insist on the rule of law up and down the system, starting at the top, not the bottom.
Do these things and you will win. Do not do them…remain a party of elitists…and you will lose.
Where is our FDR?
AG
P.S. Nina Simone knew. Way back in 1969:
“Have We Lost The Human Touch”
Bet on it.
This is now part of a standalone post.,
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Thanks…
AG
“Where is our FDR?”
He gets killed off in committee.
It takes both math and Nina, AG.
If you are trying to figure out where the 175,000 voters you need to win a Congressional district are going to come from, you are raising the question of where to go first with that effort to build a party infrastructure and consensus on policies and candidates. Notice that word “first”. Time to stop limiting where you go after that and strive for total geographical and demographic coverage by election day. If you don’t have the resources to do that because of media budgets, cut the damn media budgets and turn out more volunteers. (The idea of a winning stealth campaign is always attractive.)
Gotta have a candidate first.
One that working people trust.
AG
There was Bernie Sanders, who scared the Clinton campaign crew out of their gourds.
Without the math, one can’t argue Bernie woulda won.
And it looks in places like the Democratic brand either receded or some folks weren’t gettable under any circumstances because of process or other factors.
Under 40 Blacks are not Hillary’s biggest fans. That should have been obvious from the start. Writers like Ta-Nahisi Coats complained about Bernies minority outreach….. then turned around and voted for him. LOTS of young Black writers did.
Most of my Black friends in the Mid West who voted in the primary, voted for Bernie. Their parents voted for Hillary.
If tRump wasn’t SOOOOO god awful i would have skipped voting for president and just voted for the down ticket.
Not sure why older people want to keep voting for the same shit over and over and over and over…….
Your own experience tells the answer to your last statement. That is indeed why. SOOOOOO godawful.
My wonder is why the grassroots doesn’t organize and put up their own winning candidate instead of waiting for the party elite to hand a flawed candidate down from above.
Overall a good analysis of multiple factors.
For this:
I would not write off the ability of the inventor of modern voter suppression to use the existing law and procedures more effectively and efficiently. After all, lopping 90,000 voters out of the registration files at the last minute in 2000 flew under the radar. And the there was an ongoing cross-check caging operation that seemed to start up even after court orders shut them down. Did Florida GOP election officials obey the law?
And while the law might not have changed, the state might have been more diligent in creating felons to exclude between 2012 and 2016,
Just a thought to research. It seems to me that de-registering people at the last minute to thwart appeals is the most successful practice I saw going down in North Carolina. Election law attorneys just could not keep up with the volume at the last minute. And young black men seem to be a particular target for disenfranchisement.